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But looking good in the Eyes of the World at a Cost to their Own People?

The people they kill is there own people. They are paying
a heavy price.

israel is playing with its last cards, all the massacres done by the zionists since 1948 , people were not able to see this or even hear of it , because there was no technology to send all the pics and the videos of the crimes , but now , wakie wakie israel ! the whole world can see your crimes , your habbits of killing innocent people and kids , no more probaganda ! the problem is , they are contoling most of the media in the west , but thanks to Jazeera arabia , that is showing every crime every minute , i have seen alot , bombs , people being killed, kids with burnt faces , cuts legs or hands , babies being killed , why ? is it becuase Hamas are still hiding behind them , Israel can sell this crap to anyone else but not me , not us ,

Sadly enough every country that has ever been in war have killed innocent people,when we point fingers at others their is always three pointing back at us.Gaza is not innocent,In my opinion,wow look at how many innocent babies and people and kids my own country have killed..

This note is to Nora only!!
Wakie, Wakie, Wakie Palestinian Hamas sympathizer! Your crimes that you blame on Israel to your own people are very clearly seen and shown to the world via your Al Jazeera Arabia television. I agree, the world has seen alot already!! Hamas is playing with their last cards and will be trumped in the end!!
Your TV stations are clear and definitely showing to the world how your beloved Hamas rules it's people. It's about as comparable as what Jim Jones did to his followers in Guyana. He successfully slaughtered most of his followers. Except that in this situation, Hamas kills it's own people with bullets from it's own weapons (rather than drink cyanide laced kool aide)as well as instigates Israel by firing rockets over the border to instigate the Israeli's to attack back. Thus using the Israelis to do your Hamas dirtywork!! And Hamas takes joy in putting their little children in military uniforms with guns to train them to kill but if they get killed in the onslaught from the Israelis...oh....the Israelis are killing our innocent children!!
Whoa lady...don't try to give everyone here a bunch of your bullshit crap anymore. The www.pmw.org videos tell exactly what and how Hamas is and trains it's little children. I suppose you are very proud of your Hamas and I believe you rightfully are! The videos are from right inside of your territory Nora and boasted to the world to see. So quit twisting the reality of what your beloved Hamas is to the people!! They are terrorists and will be scorned by the very people they rule in the end! Checkmate!!
Israel doesn't let the reporters into Gaza while they are engaged in shooting because they don't want to have them caught in any crossfires nor perchance get taken as hostage from somewhere and used as bartering tool to bow down to Hamas murderers. It is very clear from Al Jazeera network what terror organizations do to the foreigners...beheadings, hangings and execution squads are all too common.
You have never answered me when I politely asked you 3x already, many questions about Hamas's beleifs and whether there was any validity to their actions based on the Koran. And you also won't answer to LittleWolf either when she has identified you as what you really are. No, you chose to ignore us constantly and continue on with your banter of Hamas support. And support it you will as that is your right!!
Well, I support Israel 100%.
Bottom line Nora, you can peddle your cachephony to some of the CSers here but many of us here can see right through it. Enough said for now as my red hair is bristling on end right now.

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Just another phony website made up by disgruntled Jihad supporters.

U go girl.I am glad someone else is getting onto who she is and what she is doing.I am cheering Israel on every day.I didnt know she was on this thread,

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Well i was going to reply but saw that my email u posted was removed.U should read the rules Nora.I replyed to u by email because ur thread was shut and I couldnt reply on there.Since its against the rules I cant post what u said to me in an email.But insult all u want.U just cant insult me.U have a good day Nora dear,[quote=nora83

Hamas!............one minute it's peace on, next it's p### 'orf!

HAMAS--THE ISLAMIC RESISTANCE MOVEMENT IN THE TERRITORIES
Boaz Ganor
Part of the Moslem Brotherhood
The Hamas movement is an offshoot of the Moslem Brotherhood in the Israeli-administered territories, or as defined in the second and fifth articles of the Hamas Charter: "Hamas--the Islamic Resistance Movement--is a division of the Moslem Brotherhood in Palestine. The Moslem Brotherhood is international and the largest of the Islamic movements in the modern era....The Islamic Resistance Movement is a specifically Palestinian movement. Its loyalty is to Allah and its commitment is to Islam as a way of life."
The Moslem Brotherhood in the territories was formed during the years 1967-1977, when Islamic- religious forces joined ranks, under the aegis of similar groups in Arab countries (mainly Jordan and Egypt), to form a single movement. In 1978 the movement, led by Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, registered as a non-profit organization called the Moujama. From its founding until the mid-1980s, the Moslem Brotherhood concentrated its activities in Judea, Samaria and Gaza upon recruitment and dissemination of Islamic values among Palestinians in general and among the youth in particular. To achieve these goals, the movement strove to gain control of centers of influence and education, primarily mosques, universities and schools.
The Kuwaiti daily Al-Anba (October 1988) described Moslem Brotherhood activities during this period: "During the years 1967-1975 the role of the Islamic movement was characterized by the building of mosques, bringing the generation into the fold, providing them with guidance and strengthening their ideology. To this end, the movement utilized all means at its disposal. The mosque, therefore, did not serve solely as a place of worship, but also as school, kindergarten, or even library or venue for women's activities. Ideology and religion were preached at clubs, schools and universities, where mosques were often built, and politics discussed. In this fashion the generation opened its eyes and discovered the Jewish plots against the nation."
Following the assassination of Egyptian President Sadat, many Palestinians, members of the Moslem Brotherhood studying at Egypt's Islamic universities, were deported. These students, who strengthened the foundations of the Moslem Brotherhood in the territories (particularly in Gaza), soon integrated into the educational system and the universities in the territories, recruiting others to the movement's religious-fundamentalist ideology.
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Born with the Intifada
On the eve of the intifada, the Moslem Brotherhood twice used the name "Hamas" for its operations. On the first occasion, a leaflet was distributed in the Gaza Strip (March 1987) decrying the use and sale of drugs and was directed at pharmacists and drug dealers who "corrupt youth." The second leaflet signed by Hamas included detailed instructions on how to beware of Israeli intelligence in the territories. The Hamas movement, however, was actually founded only after the outbreak of the intifada. Activists of the Moslem Brotherhood, who had until then concentrated primarily on religious and educational operations and had refrained from openly anti-Israel activities (for fear of IDF reprisal and possible restrictions upon the movement), came under sharp criticism from among the Palestinians.
The founding of Hamas--the Islamic Resistance Movement--at the beginning of the intifada can be linked to a number of factors:
A. In the mid-1980s a group of Moslem Brotherhood activists broke away to form the Islamic Jihad. This organization, which rejected passivity, added a national-Palestinian aspect to its Moslem fundamentalist ideology. "Jihad" activists, who advocated attacks against Israel and who carried them out as well, won great sympathy in the territories, and especially in Gaza. On the eve of the intifada, the Islamic Jihad enjoyed even greater popularity following a number of "successful" attacks carried out by its operatives in Gaza and Jerusalem, and following the brazen escape of some of the movement's senior activists from an Israeli jail (May 1987).
B. The many demonstrations and protest activities that took place during the first stage of the intifada swept the Palestinian masses, including Moslem Brotherhood activists, into the streets. The movement's leaders began to fear that continuing to prohibit the participation of their members in overt anti-Israel activity would rob them of the widespread support they had won, driving their supporters into the arms of other organizations.
C. The leadership of the Moslem Brotherhood soon understood that the "Palestinian struggle" had entered a new phase as a result of the intifada, and that whoever succeeded in controlling events in the territories would stand a better chance in the inter-organizational struggle.
The Moslem Brotherhood leadership estimated that after many years of semi-covert recruitment and education, their movement had succeeded in winning sufficient popular support to make it difficult for Israeli forces to eradicate it, even if it were to allow its members to participate in anti-Israeli activities.
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Hamas Turns to Violence
As a result, in early 1988 Hamas began operating as the military arm of the Moslem Brotherhood in the territories. Hamas activities were directed against both Israelis, military and civilian, and local Palestinians--"collaborators" or those "acting contrary to Islamic values." Initially, the movement's operations were concentrated mainly in Gaza, but later spread to Judea and Samaria as well. Hamas established a network for control and direction of protest activities, distributed independent leaflets announcing protest and strike dates different from those announced by the Unified National Command (PLO), organized widespread demonstrations and disturbances in the territories, and acted against those who "corrupt morals" (those involved with prostitution, drugs, and alcohol).
A few months after the outbreak of the intifada, Hamas was already playing a central role in the various protest and terrorist activities in the territories, while movement activists began to carry out terrorist attacks against Israeli civilian and military targets.
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Hamas Terrorist Activities
Hamas is one of the most extreme organizations in its attitude toward Israel. Leaflet #65 (October 1990) called upon local residents to murder Jews and burn their property. "Every Jew or settler is a target and must be killed. Their blood and their property are forfeit."
In carrying out their religious duty to fight against Israel, Hamas adherents have been responsible for such attacks as the brutal murder of three workers at an aluminum plant in Jaffa in December 1990; the infiltration of a six-man terrorist squad from Jordan in March 1991 that wounded three IDF soldiers before they were caught in the vicinity of Kibbutz Tirat Zvi, and whose members carried Korans and photographs of Sheikh Yassin in addition to weapons; the murder of Shlomo Yehiya from Moshav Kadima in September 1991; and the attack at Tel Hashomer junction in October 1991 in which two soldiers were killed and eleven others wounded.
The kidnapping and murder of Israeli soldiers Avi Sasportas and Ilan Saadon in 1989 were among the most serious carried out by Hamas. The attacks were carried out in similar fashion: Mahmoud Nasser (who had been released in the Jibril prisoner exchange) and Mahmoud Mabhouh stole an Israeli Subaru automobile, donned skullcaps, and gave the hitchhiking soldiers rides. During the drive the terrorists shot the soldiers with a .22 caliber pistol and then buried them.
Following the murders, the two hid out in a house in the Daraj section of Gaza where they received assistance and food from local Hamas activists. After about a month, they were smuggled out to Egypt, from where they were taken to Libya. When Israeli security forces were close to discovering their hideout, senior Hamas commanders recommended that the two commit suicide and become martyrs.
Hamas did not, however, concentrate only upon the murder of Israelis, and the movement's operatives were also involved in many murders of Palestinians in the territories as well.
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A Synthesis of Religion and Nationalism
The ideology of Hamas is a synthesis of pan-Arab Islamic religious ideals and Palestinian nationalism. The movement emphasizes that the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is in reality a religious struggle between Islam and Judaism. It is along these lines that Article 15 of the Hamas Charter (August 1988) states: "There is no escaping [the need] to make it clear to generations of Moslems, that the Palestine problem is a religious one, and must be treated as such." This view was reinforced in a booklet distributed by Hamas in early 1990 which stated: "Our struggle with the Jews is a struggle between truth and emptiness--between Islam and Judaism." Hamas leaflet #70 (February 1991) called upon the PLO to "revoke the Algiers resolutions and declare the Islamic of the Palestinian problem."
Despite its emphasis upon the Islamic pan-Arab ideal, Hamas simultaneously stresses that it is an authentic Palestinian movement with the primary goal of solving the "Palestinian problem." In Article 12 of its charter, Hamas attempts to reconcile the contradiction between its pan-Islamic character and its specifically Palestinian national aspirations: "From the point of view of the Islamic Resistance Movement, nationalism is a part of religious belief. There is no greater nationalism than that inherent in a situation in which the enemy takes possession of Moslem land. In such a situation, every Moslem man and woman is obligated to participate in the Jihad."
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No Territorial Compromise
As a result of its Islamic religious viewpoint, Hamas believes that "the soil of Palestine is sacred," and that every Moslem must take action to liberate "all of Palestine" from the Jews. The objection of Hamas to any territorial compromise with Israel is expressed in Article 1 of its charter: "The Islamic Resistance Movement believes Palestine to be the Islamic wakf [sacred property] of all Moslems until the end of days. Neither Palestine nor any part of it can be conceded"; in Article 13: "Any concession of a part of Palestine is a concession of a part of the faith"; and in Article 6: [The movement] is striving to fly the flag of Allah over every part of Palestine."
The movement's rejection of compromise with Israel is also evident in the leaflets which it distributes in the territories. In leaflet #34 (January 1989) Hamas attacked the "traitorous views" of Palestinians who support concession of any part of Palestine. The leaflet provides the following explanation for its rejection of territorial compromise: "How can we allow the Jews to establish a state of oppression and terrorism on four-fifths of holy land?" In leaflet #68 (December 1990), the movement declared it would "continue the path of Jihad until all of our blessed land is liberated from the river to the sea."
A slightly more moderate interpretation of Hamas' position regarding territorial compromise appeared in the Jordanian daily Sawt A-Shab (18 January 1990). According to this article, Hamas could agree to territorial concessions to Israel providing it were understood that this compromise would only be temporary, and on condition that the compromise would not obligate the Palestinians to recognize Israel's right to exist in any part of Palestine. The article states: "Hamas believes that liberation of all of Palestine from the river to the sea is the highest possible strategic goal. The movement believes, however, that this does not preclude liberating parts of Palestine by force or any other method, as long as this solution does not include recognition of the legality of the Zionist presence in Palestine, and as long as this solution does not revoke the right of the Palestinian people and of the Arab and Islamic nations to liberate all of the Palestinian homeland and destroy the foreign Zionist entity."
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No Negotiations with Israel
The hard-line stance taken by Hamas regarding territorial compromise also accounts for the movement's opposition to any negotiation with Israel whatsoever, for fear that a peace process might entail a demand for Palestinian concessions as well. The movement's charter states in Article 13: "Initiatives and so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences for the resolution of the Palestinian problem are contrary to the views of the Islamic Resistance Movement....These conferences are nothing but another method by which the infidels take possession of Moslem land. When did the infidels ever deal justly with sons of the faith?...The only solution to the Palestinian problem is Jihad. All of the initiatives, proposals and international conferences are a waste of time."
In Article 32 of the charter, the movement expresses its opposition to any bilateral agreement between Israel and the Arab states: "World Zionism and the imperialist forces are cleverly trying through careful planning to remove the Arab states one by one from the arena in order to isolate the Palestinian people....The Islamic Resistance Movement calls upon Arab and Moslem peoples to act seriously and continuously to thwart this fearful plan, and to awaken public awareness to the danger involved in withdrawal from the field of conflict with Zionism."
In Hamas leaflets distributed over the past few years in the territories, the movement has expressed its opposition to every possible peace plan that has arisen. In leaflet #46 (September 1989) the movement rejected Egypt's ten-point peace plan and warned Palestinians against contact with the United States. In leaflet #55 (March 1990) the movement attacked Palestinian figures who had met with former U.S. President Carter, and declared that these were trying to revive the Camp David accords and that they do not represent the Palestinian people.
Predictably, Hamas also opposes the current peace talks between Israel and the Palestinians and other Arabs. The talks that began in Madrid and have continued in Washington have aroused the anger of Hamas, whose activists have vowed to do everything in their power to undercut them and have branded the Palestinian delegates as traitors.
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The Imperative of Holy War
In the absence of any willingness to accept territorial compromise, and in light of the movement's adamant refusal to conduct negotiations with Israel, the only path left open to Hamas for the resolution of the Palestinian problem is that of violent struggle to the death--the way of Jihad.
Since its founding, Hamas has emphasized the imperative upon Moslems everywhere to take part in the Jihad for the liberation of Palestine, as expressed in Article 14 of the charter: "It (the liberation of Palestine) is the personal obligation of all Moslems everywhere. The problem must be viewed on this basis, and every Moslem must understand this"; and in Article 15: "The day upon which the enemy steals a part of the Moslem lands, Jihad becomes the personal obligation of every Moslem. In light of the Jewish theft in Palestine there is no alternative but to raise the flag of Jihad."
The movement, however, defines Jihad in a broader sense. Jihad, according to the charter, "is not limited to bearing arms. The struggle against the enemy, with an appropriate word, a good article, or a helpful book; through support and assistance, when done in the name of victory for the flag of Allah--are all Jihad for the sake of God."
In an interview with Hamas leader Sheikh Ahmed Yassin in Yediot Ahronot (September 1988), there appeared nevertheless to be a remote chance that the movement might agree to negotiations with Israel. Yassin declared: "As long as we ourselves have not liberated any part of Palestine, there is no point in beginning these proceedings. Their time has not yet come. The PLO must exercise patience and not recognize Israel, since Israel has taken everything from the Palestinian people and given nothing in return. Israel must first restore the rights of the Palestinian people. Only then will it be possible to talk."
In an interview with Israel Television's Arabic service (while imprisoned in September 1989), Yassin explained that he would agree to peace talks with Israel providing that both the terms of the peace plan and the final objectives of negotiations were clear. A short time later (December 1989), the movement's representatives in the territories demanded that the PLO allot five places to Hamas on the delegation then taking shape for negotiations with Israel. It should be noted that the hierarchical structure of Hamas (the leader of the movement is not only its central political figure but also the highest religious authority) grants its leadership room to maneuver regarding negotiations with Israel. Thus, if at some point the movement's leaders feel it is in its interest to do so, they might find religious sanction for its participation in a peace process in the region.
Hamas is opposed to the idea of autonomy in the territories since, according to Sheikh Yassin, "the actual meaning of autonomy is that the Jews will have everything and the Palestinians nothing." The final goal to which the movement aspires is the liberation of all of Palestine and the establishment of an Islamic state from the river to the sea.
In this regard, Hamas also opposes an independent Palestinian state. In an interview in Haaretz, Gaza Hamas leader Mahmud Azhar stated: "The Palestinians were always part of a pan-Islamic state. Never once in history was there a Palestinian state....In Europe they are now establishing an economic union and soon they will also establish a political union. This is the direction in which the world is going today. We Arabs have one culture and one language. The borders of the different states in the Arab world are not our borders, but rather borders set by France and Britain. The border with Egypt is not our border and the border between Iraq and Syria is not our border. Nasser wanted to establish a pan-Arab state in his way, the secular way, and failed. Now we want to try this idea our way."
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