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rizlared: Hamas is a terrorist group, they hide behind the skirts of innocent women rather than create a real army and have an outright fight with their supposed enemies, they retreat to innocent schools and hospitals to try and cause the gunfire to follow them and cause massive death and destruction which is then used as propaganda.



What is your dispute with this, Amnesty International stated on the news last night that the use of human shields by hamas was inhumane and that it should be stopped from immediate effect.

Under international humanitarian law the right of refugees to return to their homes is an inalienable, individual human right. Like all human rights, it is invaluable and cannot be bought. Under Israel and Bush’s "solution", Palestinian refugee families who had been expelled from what is now Israel would be consigned to return, not to their homes, but to small, non-contiguous parts of less than 22% of their original homeland.
Jews from anywhere in the world, on the other hand, would be free to "return" to more than 78% of historic Palestine, frequently to live on land seized from those same Palestinian refugees.
Such clear discrimination against Palestinian refugees and privileging of Jews from anywhere in the world illustrates clearly that these proposals would further a separate but unequal solution that cannot result in peace." quoted from HiFi's post

Many years ago, I had the distinct honour to meet Sir John Bagot Glubb, aka "Glubb Pasha" CO of the famous Arab Legion who fought so valiantly against the Zionist terrorists and their murderous Stern and Irgun death squads, via the equaly famous British writer A.K. Chesterton (one can look them up to find out just who they were) one of our family's 'British cousins'.
Glubb Pasha tried to persuade the waring factions of Palestinians and the more civilized factions of Zionists of a possible settlement of the Zionist occupation of Palestine. I still have the copy I was given by him: (first published 1971)
"A Tentative Solution"
The word tentative is used of the followinf proposals, because it is
not intended that the Great Powers should impose a detailed solution,
which must obviously be worked out in consultation between all concerned.
It is suggested that the United Nations or the Great Powers should prepare
proposals on the basis of the following points, discuss them with the parties
concerned, and, if necessary, bring some form of political or economic
pressure on such as refuse to give a reasonable amount of co-operation.
The government of Egypt, Israel and Jordan are specifically mentioned
because it is they who have agreed to negotiate. It would be extremely
valuable to secure the co-operation of Syria also and, of course, of any
other Middle East governments, but a settlement should not be delayed
until all the "Arab" governments agree.

THE SOLUTION PART 2

1. Israeli withdrawal to the pre-1967 border. This withdrawal should be
accompanied by an Egypto-Jordanian declaration recognizing the
existence of Israel, and promising free navigation of the Suez Canal
and the Straits of Tiran.
The withdrawal is the only obligation incumbent on Israel.

2. Occupation by Neutral Troops
As soon as Israel withdraws, the areas between the Jordan River and
the Israeli border( hereafter referred to as the West Bank) should
immediately be occupied by neutral troops Smaller detachments could
also be placed at Al Arish and Sharm al Shaikh..
The Jordan government could provide civil servants and police for the
West Bank, but the Jordan army should remain east of the Jordan River.

3. RESETTLEMENT OF THE REFUGEES
The heart of the problem does not lie in making peace between Israel,
Egypt and Jordan, but in the resettlement of the native population of
Palestine, who have been forcibly evicted from their country.

4.Constructive Projects
When Israel has withdrawn to the pre-1967 line, one-fifth of the area
of Palestine will be freed to accommodate the population which
previously occupied the whole country.
A consortium of Great Powers, presumably under the auspices of
the United Nations, should then undertake to develop this area to
enable it to carry a larger population. The Palestinians are good
farmers but, of course, have no capital. Nor have they the technical
knowledge to undertake major projects. Considerable agricultural
development and a certain amount of industrialization are possible
in this area.

5. Provision Of Capital and Technical Control
The Powers concerned will have to supply the technical control and
the necessary capital. It is useless to say that Israel should pay compensation.
Israel is not herself vaible, but lives on funds collected from abroad.
It is likewise useless to pay compensation to individual refugees.
The only solution is for the Powers to execute major development
projects, and then to offer the refugees homes, land and employment.

6. Reconstruction of Jordan
Funds should also be provided for the re-construction and development
of Jordan east of the river. The Jordan economy has been wrecked,
largely because of Israeli bombing. (Israel has suffered no damage of this
kind for none of her neighbors have operational air forces.)
It will be seential to revitalise the East Jordan economy, because it is
unlikely that the West Bank will accommodate all the refugees.
Some, who so wish, should be able to find jobs and a permanent
livelihood in East Jordan.

7. Time Required for Implimentation
This settlement, involving the necessary surveys, drawing-up of
projects and the execution of the work, will probably occupy between
five and ten tears. Neutral troops should remain in the area until
the work is completed and all is quiet.

8. Political Future of the West Bank
At some point, after five or ten years or when the settlement is
complete, the Palestinians establishes on the West Bank should
be allowed to decide by plebiscite or other means, on their own
political future.

9. Exchange of Territory
The Gaza Strip should be annexed to Israel and an equivalent area
of cultivatable soil west of the Jordan be surrendered by her in return.
If Israel wishes to retain the Amwas-Latrun area, an equal area of
cultivatable land west of the Jordan should be given in exchange.
The following could be suitable areas:
1. The area between Beisan and the Jordan
2. The Israeli colonies south of the Sea of Galilee.
3. The Israeli colonies north of Lake Hula.
Israel should evacuate the Golan Heights.
The basis of which border exchanges should be arranged should
be to provide land to resettle the refugees, not to bow to Israel's
demands for strategic positions. The only ultimate and permanent
security for Israel lies in amicable relations with her neighbors, not
in piling up armaments and in expansion to secure "strategic frontiers".

Needless to say, some of these are 'out of date'; others perhaps are still viable,
but so long as Israel maintains it's dogmatic racial philosophies, ideals and practices
they will end only as the Nazis and any other mental aberations based upon
the exclusivity of Race that others have sought to follow as both a political
and a religious belief system; the world did not tolerate the Nazi s and will
not, should not tolerate the Zionist 'justifications' of 'racial supremacy' .
If the Nazi outlook was indeed wrong, then so is the Israeli Zionism. There are
no 'buts' or special cases. It is by all decent standards of equality before the
law: Justice for all or Justice for none.

It was a humor that Zionist are banned of writing
I believed it cus today it was advert Banner in CS about
the Palestinian Holocaust..

http://www.islamonline.net/English/In_Depth/GazaHolocaustMuseum/

Something to keep in mind Callibya...Muhammad Abushaban of Central Gaza City was speaking directly from Gaza, not the U.S., Canada or anywhere else. He is not an Israeli spy but rather a decent man who did not sell his soul to the Hamas and is able to finally speak his mind what atrocities that Hamas has brought upon the Palestinian people. Most likely, Hamas will probably shoot him dead for this statement when they find him.
Hamas, like some of the CSers here, gets very mad when anyone wishes to have free speech that dissents from their views. Like Mohammad said... Hamas has their spies.

When someone speaks out, Hamas are afraid, so they shut him up using force. Former Soviet leader Joseph Stalin used the same techniques.

A couple of days ago they shot someone in the legs here in Nuseirat camp, after he made jokes about the Hamas interior minister, Said Siyam being killed in a strike. Fatah people especially hated him.

Hamas has its spies who overheard him and they told the head of the intelligence services!

After they shot his legs, the man was shouting 'God bless Hamas!', so they wouldn't kill him. They left him bleeding in the street in the dark, and people only rescued him after the gunmen had gone.


I will repeat again a part of the article just what this man has said.

oh what a poor boy he is and what a shame of Hamas for just a joke they shoot his Leg

But wait a moment what about who killed Izak Rabin just cuz he said that Israel occupation army must withdrew of Golan Heights.A? and many many many many stories to say.. infinity..

Fatah after the Hero Arafat they're just dolls in hand of the Zionist..

Dear LILLYLADY this is a bedtime story before you sleep:


If an insect falls in your cup of coffee, What will your reaction be? The Englishman throws the cup away and walks out of the café. The American takes the insect out and drinks the coffee. The Chinese eats the insect and throws the coffee. The besieged Palestinian drinks the coffee and eats the insect. The Israeli sells the coffee to the American and the insect to the Chinese; he screams that his security is in peril, accuses the Palestinians of throwing the insect in his coffee, alleges that Hezbollah, Hamas, the Syrians and the Iranians advocate attacks with weapons of mass insects; he relates this vicious attack to the Palestinian “terrorism” ,attacks on human rights, anti-Semitism, the Holocaust, the Diaspora, the exodus, discrimination on Noah’s ark , he asks Gaza civilians to immediately stop insects from flying in the air or landing in coffee cups, re-occupies the west bank and Gaza , razes houses, cuts off water and electricity, humiliates and terrorizes civilians, kills or mains anyone in his way, imposes on the Americans more military aid, demands a 100-year billion dollar, loan from America to buy another cup of coffee, claims life-time free coffee as compensation .



And you can write that I am disgrace to humanity, I don't mind, on the contrary...I will do all I can to expel the Arabs from here, I will do all I can to increase anti-Semitism, and you will ... be prepared to absorb the Yids I will force to flee to this country and teach them to be a light unto the gentiles.


Ariel Sharon, 1987

I am opposed to peace in the middle east!

HATEMONGER!!!!!!

And you have a nasty little mind too!

Anyone can see ur a hatemonger,and then in the next reply u try,and others like u,to convince us how great the muslims are?PleaseThe lot of u are so transparent its not even funny.What is the problem?Playing both sides? That never works,never will.

I am opposed to peace ...anywhere!

sorry i misunderstood u please accept my apologies ,were both on the same side, have a blessed day.Sometime I get angry and confused when muslems make false claims about being educated and civil and i get upset when i see their taste for the blood of the so-called infadels because they mean US.

accepted - because I don´t feel that its usefull to go further into your subjects -
But please refrain to say I am on YOUR SIDE ! because what you state yourself here is that you are a confused and angry Racist, a Evangelical Trompeter without any real understanding and insight or Humanity!

The noticeable thing about this "on fashion" rebuttal to any anti-Israel or anti-Zinoist statement in terms of hate and similar negative human attitudes is that those that use such a rebuttal show a high level of hate and agression in their posts.

Is that a rebuttal created by a club of the haters of hate?
That would be interesting.

Difference between hypocrisy and honesty:

Hypocrisy needs self-delusion and and a heavy sack of prejudices.
Honesty needs just a simple and free mind.

Hypocrisy is endless
Honesty is always scarce

And this is the point: on one side the Muslims and on the other the state of Israel. Anything negative or harsh said to the latter will get the official disapproval in this case carried by a boring cattle repeating the catecism. The thing is that we have grown in a society that has taught the intoxicating concept of good and evil, then one is evil if criticises something about the status quo and current order (well, for example, even the mention of Israel controlling those mechanisms through their tentacles will meet angered rebuttals when it should be a pride for the Israel gov. as they always privately boast: "we control the world")

On the other hand, if one has to point (according to the official teachings) to the evil ones then one rather gets safe and points out to the real devil. These two illustrated and brave-hearted posters I have quoted show who it is.

It is really educative and mind-opening!!!!!!!!!!

SCAREMONGERS... That's your Problem when you're facing the truth filthy mouth and your nasty smells

Shalom

SCAREMONGERS... That's your Problem when you're facing the truth filthy mouth and your nasty smells

Shalom

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