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callibya malta, Majjistral Malta
ziggysdad: sorry i misunderstood u please accept my apologies ,were both on the same side, have a blessed day.Sometime I get angry and confused when muslems make false claims about being educated and civil and i get upset when i see their taste for the blood of the so-called Infidels because they mean US.


rolling on the floor laughing it seems Like no one in your side...


Just remember the Muslims introduced decimal positional number system to the Western world. "mathematics"
taught you the Numerals 1234...9 and the Zero when you were in ur dark ages using I.II.III....X.

The Muslims taught you ALGEBRA as the first systematic solution of linear and quadratic equations..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_ibn_Musa_al-Khwarizmi

Arithmetic Astronomy astronomy medicine physic Chemical Aviation..etc

even restaurants liberties hospitals street lighting string instruments and perfumes but your nasty smell never change.

at the end want you be civil but it seems you are still in
nasty dark mind..troll

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inventions_in_the_Muslim_world


If you have no religion and do not believe in god YES YOU ARE Infidel.. and that's no just in Islam but also in Christianity and Jews..

peace
callibya malta, Majjistral Malta
Conrad73: TROLL-ALERT!!!!TROLL-ALERT!!!!TROLL-ALERT.


motorcycle barf
Conrad73 Lonesome Town Zurich, Zrich Switzerland
callibya: it seems Like no one in your side...Just remember the Muslims introduced decimal positional number system to the Western world. "mathematics"
taught you the Numerals 1234...9 and the Zero when you were in ur dark ages using I.II.III....X.

The Muslims taught you ALGEBRA as the first systematic solution of linear and quadratic equations..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_ibn_Musa_al-Khwarizmi

Arithmetic Astronomy astronomy medicine physic Chemical Aviation..etc

even restaurants liberties hospitals street lighting string instruments and perfumes but your nasty smell never change.

at the end want you be civil but it seems you are still in
nasty dark mind..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inventions_in_the_Muslim_worldIf you have no religion and do not believe in god YES YOU ARE Infidel.. and that's no just in Islam but also in Christianity and Jews..
Yep,with each of your Posts you advance your Cause further!barf doh doh



pretzelman Las Vegas, Nevada USA
peace is bad for the economy!!scold
Conrad73 Lonesome Town Zurich, Zrich Switzerland
callibya: barf motorcycle
TROLL-ALERT!!!!TROLL-ALERT!!!!TROLL-ALERT.professor
trish123 Lancashire, Lancashire, England UK
callibya: it seems Like no one in your side...Just remember the Muslims introduced decimal positional number system to the Western world. "mathematics"
taught you the Numerals 1234...9 and the Zero when you were in ur dark ages using I.II.III....X.

The Muslims taught you ALGEBRA as the first systematic solution of linear and quadratic equations..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_ibn_Musa_al-Khwarizmi

Arithmetic Astronomy astronomy medicine physic Chemical Aviation..etc

even restaurants liberties hospitals street lighting string instruments and perfumes but your nasty smell never change.

at the end want you be civil but it seems you are still in
nasty dark mind..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inventions_in_the_Muslim_worldIf you have no religion and do not believe in god YES YOU ARE Infidel.. and that's no just in Islam but also in Christianity and Jews..


I have to register distaste for this one, sorry!

I have no respect for the Israelis but neither do I have respect nor time for anybody who's sole purpose seems to be to sow religious dissent in this ongoing devastation - it isnt about religions, religions are just the pawns of the warmongers in this and other aspects of current life - many have a vested interest in stirring up such hostilities and I see this as doing nothing more than spreading unchecked hatred and being fools to their games......... they want us all to take sides so the whole fiasco can build to the creschendo of mutually assured destruction........ they dont care, they see the world as overpopulated anyway.........

below is a little snippet of history that I like;

Many people argue that Arabs and Jews can never live together, and claim there is a long tradition of enmity between the two people. But this is not borne out by history.

The roots of the current hostility are very modern, stemming from the Zionist colonial movement that seized Palestine. But prior to that every Arab capital had a community of Jews living alongside their Muslim and Christian neighbours.

Jews have been an important part of life in Jerusalem, Cairo, Damascus, Beirut, Rabat and Baghdad and other Arab cities since the beginning of recorded history.

There are hundreds of Jewish names on the memorial to Iraqis who died fighting British colonialism in the 1920s. They were an important part of the nationalist and left-wing Arab movements that grew in the 1920s and 1930s in the struggle against imperialism.

This all changed after the establishment of Israel. Arab Jews were forced out of their homes by the Arab dictators and kings put in place by the West. This process was encouraged by Israel.

These Arab Jews became second class citizens within Israel. They have never been welcome at the top of Israeli society. Many have clung to their Arab culture – and to the dream of returning home one day.

As in so many other regions of the world, the divisions, discord and hatred between people in the Middle East are a bitter legacy of Western imperialism.

http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/art.php?id=16790
littlewolf nunya, Oklahoma USA
Antjo39: And this is the point: on one side the Muslims and on the other the state of Israel. Anything negative or harsh said to the latter will get the official disapproval in this case carried by a boring cattle repeating the catecism. The thing is that we have grown in a society that has taught the intoxicating concept of good and evil, then one is evil if criticises something about the status quo and current order (well, for example, even the mention of Israel controlling those mechanisms through their tentacles will meet angered rebuttals when it should be a pride for the Israel gov. as they always privately boast: "we control the world")

On the other hand, if one has to point (according to the official teachings) to the evil ones then one rather gets safe and points out to the real devil. These two illustrated and brave-hearted posters I have quoted show who it is.

It is really educative and mind-opening!!!!!!!!!!
Educated? u dont even know the meaning of the word,I have never replyed to u in anyway,because u have a dirty mouth,and your views are just crazy.Please do the same for me.



simiain dumfries, Dumfries and Galloway, Scotland UK




That tattoo on your granny`s forearm doesn`t tell it
Old maps of locomotive tracks cannot convey
And though I picture chimneystacks, I`ll never smell it
Or taste the anguish of the ones who got away
Your love had died, but you survived,
To dream a place that`s safe for you and all your kind.
Then you awoke to find that Zion was a nightmare
And you`re a prisoner - a prisoner of time - in Palestine

Between the golden beaches and the River Jordan,
A desert garden that they call the Holy Land
But if you spoke to Jesus, Moses or Mohammed,
This isn`t quite the paradise that they had planned;
How did the Promised Land of flowing milk and honey
Where three religions knelt before one living god
Become a place where flowing blood and foreign money
Oil the tank tracks where the gentle prophets trod?
Before they launched a jihad on the unbelievers,
Before they put the seed of Ishmael to the knife
Before the massacre of Sabra and Shatilla,
Before crusaders killed your kids then raped your wife
The God of Love was high above,
But here on earth the gods of hate were doing fine,
And if you cannot yet forgive them or forget them
You`re still a prisoner - a prisoner of time - in Palestine

That family farm that fed us 40 generations
Apparently was someone else`s before that
And now somebody from a European nation
Says someone else`s great grandchildren want it back!
So I must live beyond an artificial border
With neighbours who`d prefer that I did not exist;
They stole my olive orchard, then they stole the water,
And when I struggle with them, I`m the terrorist!
I had a baby, but a settler-bullet killed it,
I had a job, but now they`ve cordoned off the town,
I had a dream but every time I tried to build it
Somebody else comes with a tank and knocks it down
A young man`s pride, a suicide,
A Jewish bride and bridegroom bleeding where they dined,
And if you say “they`re not much better than the Nazis
You`re still a prisoner - a prisoner of time - in Palestine.

And if you thought that it was all about the Bible
Get with the history of a thousand years or two
It`s very nice to know you`re in the chosen people
‘Til you discover why it is they`ve chosen you,
To be the scapegoat when the rich demand a cutback
The one to blame when people cannot get enough
And when it`s not P.C. to use you for a punch bag
They`ll very kindly let you be their boxing glove

And so the Jews go on to kick the Palestinians
Because the rest of us have beaten up the Jews,
And for those oil-sheikh dictators it`s convenient
That they`ve an enemy in Israel to use.
So long as Abraham`s descendants are divided,
So long as grief between them builds a ghetto wall,
So long the camouflage and cover are provided
For what`s the greatest daylight robbery of all:
The praying presidents who heat the seat of power
The fossil traders who pollute the corridors,
The road of corpses laid from Tel Aviv to Basra
Keep up the pressure on that petrol pump of ours..
A fresh excuse for each abuse
Of terror and of counter-terror in our time,
How shall we change the climate globally for freedom?
While there are prisoners (of poverty and crime) in Palestine.

Those Palestinians They are my people!
But people cornered in a hell they didn`t choose.
How could I not support their fight for liberation
So they can live in dignity without abuse?
And those Israelis They are my people!
But people with a history they could not control.
Why would I not support their right to be a nation
And hold a homeland open for the Jewish soul?
The son of David in his armour-plated Zion,
Goliaths daughter reaching for another stone,
They`re gonna need a bit of help to tame the lion,
It isn`t fair to leave them struggling there alone
The God of Love may be above
But here on earth is where we make the love divine,
And when we see how each is captive to the other
We`ll free the prisoners and family of mine - in Palestine.

highfidelity Europe, Bundesland Germany
littlewolf: Educated? u dont even know the meaning of the word,I have never replyed to u in anyway,because u have a dirty mouth,and your views are just crazy.Please do the same for me.



You surely wanted with this post show your supperior way replying in this so very educated way - All you relentlessly do is to butt-in with this sort of outbursts - may I ask you why ?
littlewolf nunya, Oklahoma USA
callibya: SCAREMONGERS... That's your Problem when you're facing the truth filthy mouth and your nasty smells

Shalom
You show me one thread that I have started on christianity,or muslims? The problem u have is, I already know the truth.BTW show me a thread where a good muslim has posted a thread to start fights and spew hate.I wonder why that is,Is it because those who make these threads are radicals?We have the Aryian nation who hates everyone,and the KKK,The Black Panthers who hate anyone white,I despise their idealogies.I know of at least one church that calls themselves christian, that are crazy as loons.So I never lump one act of a body of people,to hate all, In fact I dont hate anyone.But I hate their ways.Any religion or nationality, that kills others for the sake of an idea,are just crazy people in my books.But some times countries have to go to war to stay free.And the only religion I know of that has no problem strapping on bombs and killing people including themselves are radical muslim,they scream Jihad.What does Jihad mean HOLY WAR.When its all said and done,u my friend, are going to be the one who faces the truth.I am a Christian, if u dont like that, I dont care it wont upset me in the least.Muslims dont bother me either,just the ones who preach hate on here and are allowed to get by with it.As for ur reply to me I dont even know what u mean or saying. laugh
highfidelity Europe, Bundesland Germany
simiain: That tattoo on your granny`s forearm doesn`t tell it
Old maps of locomotive tracks cannot convey
And though I picture chimneystacks, I`ll never smell it
Or taste the anguish of the ones who got away
Your love had died, but you survived,
To dream a place that`s safe for you and all your kind.
Then you awoke to find that Zion was a nightmare
And you`re a prisoner - a prisoner of time - in Palestine

Between the golden beaches and the River Jordan,
A desert garden that they call the Holy Land
But if you spoke to Jesus, Moses or Mohammed,
This isn`t quite the paradise that they had planned;
How did the Promised Land of flowing milk and honey
Where three religions knelt before one living god
Become a place where flowing blood and foreign money
Oil the tank tracks where the gentle prophets trod?
Before they launched a jihad on the unbelievers,
Before they put the seed of Ishmael to the knife
Before the massacre of Sabra and Shatilla,
Before crusaders killed your kids then raped your wife
The God of Love was high above,
But here on earth the gods of hate were doing fine,
And if you cannot yet forgive them or forget them
You`re still a prisoner - a prisoner of time - in Palestine

That family farm that fed us 40 generations
Apparently was someone else`s before that
And now somebody from a European nation
Says someone else`s great grandchildren want it back!
So I must live beyond an artificial border
With neighbours who`d prefer that I did not exist;
They stole my olive orchard, then they stole the water,
And when I struggle with them, I`m the terrorist!
I had a baby, but a settler-bullet killed it,
I had a job, but now they`ve cordoned off the town,
I had a dream but every time I tried to build it
Somebody else comes with a tank and knocks it down
A young man`s pride, a suicide,
A Jewish bride and bridegroom bleeding where they dined,
And if you say “they`re not much better than the Nazis
You`re still a prisoner - a prisoner of time - in Palestine.

And if you thought that it was all about the Bible
Get with the history of a thousand years or two
It`s very nice to know you`re in the chosen people
‘Til you discover why it is they`ve chosen you,
To be the scapegoat when the rich demand a cutback
The one to blame when people cannot get enough
And when it`s not P.C. to use you for a punch bag
They`ll very kindly let you be their boxing glove

And so the Jews go on to kick the Palestinians
Because the rest of us have beaten up the Jews,
And for those oil-sheikh dictators it`s convenient
That they`ve an enemy in Israel to use.
So long as Abraham`s descendants are divided,
So long as grief between them builds a ghetto wall,
So long the camouflage and cover are provided
For what`s the greatest daylight robbery of all:
The praying presidents who heat the seat of power
The fossil traders who pollute the corridors,
The road of corpses laid from Tel Aviv to Basra
Keep up the pressure on that petrol pump of ours..
A fresh excuse for each abuse
Of terror and of counter-terror in our time,
How shall we change the climate globally for freedom?
While there are prisoners (of poverty and crime) in Palestine.

Those Palestinians They are my people!
But people cornered in a hell they didn`t choose.
How could I not support their fight for liberation
So they can live in dignity without abuse?
And those Israelis They are my people!
But people with a history they could not control.
Why would I not support their right to be a nation
And hold a homeland open for the Jewish soul?
The son of David in his armour-plated Zion,
Goliaths daughter reaching for another stone,
They`re gonna need a bit of help to tame the lion,
It isn`t fair to leave them struggling there alone
The God of Love may be above
But here on earth is where we make the love divine,
And when we see how each is captive to the other
We`ll free the prisoners and family of mine - in Palestine.
trish123 Lancashire, Lancashire, England UK



Wowee - thats pretty thought provoking Simiain thumbs up wave
highfidelity Europe, Bundesland Germany


Thank you for posting this here - who wrote this ?
sad flower
littlewolf nunya, Oklahoma USA
highfidelity: You surely wanted with this post show your supperior way replying in this so very educated way - All you relentlessly do is to butt-in with this sort of outbursts - may I ask you why ?
I am a member of CS,I have every right to be on any forum and I dont have to explain myself to u.unless ur a mod.ARE U?Ur ,I thought u had left u were gone so long.
highfidelity Europe, Bundesland Germany
highfidelity: Thank you for posting this here - who wrote this ?


I meant Simiain - wave



Dusty45 Louisville, Kentucky USA
"highfidelity"
"WHAT WILL HAPPEN NOW ???"
~~~

PEACE

is

in

the

"NOW"

Not the past or the future.

Choose ...

Love

or

fear

DO IT

"NOW"
highfidelity Europe, Bundesland Germany
Dusty45: "highfidelity"
"WHAT WILL HAPPEN NOW ???"
~~~

PEACE

is

in

the

"NOW"

Not the past or the future.

Choose ...

Love

or

fear

DO IT

"NOW"



Yes ! and thanks Dusty - please keep posting your good vibrations heart wings thumbs up



Dusty45 Louisville, Kentucky USA
highfidelity: Yes ! and thanks Dusty - please keep posting your good vibrations


It just has to be understood. thumbs up

Please ALL:
Namaste'



simiain dumfries, Dumfries and Galloway, Scotland UK
===================================================================
With reference to the song lyrics in the above post, you can find the full finished verson here

http://www.seizetheday.org/music.cfm?albumID=4&trackID=52

I met them at the Big Green Gathering three years ago, they are an inspiration





trish123:
below is a little snippet of history that I like;

Many people argue that Arabs and Jews can never live together, and claim there is a long tradition of enmity between the two people. But this is not borne out by history.

The roots of the current hostility are very modern, stemming from the Zionist colonial movement that seized Palestine. But prior to that every Arab capital had a community of Jews living alongside their Muslim and Christian neighbours.

Jews have been an important part of life in Jerusalem, Cairo, Damascus, Beirut, Rabat and Baghdad and other Arab cities since the beginning of recorded history.

There are hundreds of Jewish names on the memorial to Iraqis who died fighting British colonialism in the 1920s. They were an important part of the nationalist and left-wing Arab movements that grew in the 1920s and 1930s in the struggle against imperialism.

This all changed after the establishment of Israel. Arab Jews were forced out of their homes by the Arab dictators and kings put in place by the West. This process was encouraged by Israel.

These Arab Jews became second class citizens within Israel. They have never been welcome at the top of Israeli society. Many have clung to their Arab culture – and to the dream of returning home one day.

As in so many other regions of the world, the divisions, discord and hatred between people in the Middle East are a bitter legacy of Western imperialism.

http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/art.php?id=16790




I'm not a big fan of Soialist Worker's rants however what is written above rings very true with the documentary that was made at the 2000 Camp David negociations with Clinton, Arafat and Ehud Barak.

They very nearly have an accord, however at at the last minute we have footage of Arafat almost in tears saying "They are trying to get me to give up soverignty of the Dome of the Rock if i do that i will be assassinated".


This man did not fear for his life, if he was assassinated, any deal he made would be worthless, but in his words are the unspoken underlying causes of this conflict.

We have a lot of history about palestine during the development of Islam, people in the region could write and they did. Herod's Temple was in ruins and the temple based religion that gave the Levites a free life, living off the backs of the other 11 tribes of Israel was over, having given way to Rabbinical Judaism where any Jewish man could study and become a Rabbi, where as a Rabbi he was expected to support himself, unless his community decided of their own accord to support him in any way they saw/see fit.

Palestine as an area was no longer a very pleasant place to live central government had collapsed there was no rule of Law and within that, a young man, led by 'the spirit of the oneness that binds all life' decided one day to sit on the ruins of the holy of holies, of the temple and meditate, he found himself doing this for some time as in weeks or months and during that period he 'recieved' words which collectivly bound in a book are now refered to as 'The Koran.'

The Zionist Goal is the re-establishment of the State of Israel and the Temple of The Lord, this goal cannot be achieved whilst the Dome of the Rock still stands.......................

The destruction of the Mosque built on the place where Mohammed recieved the Koran will result in carnage.

If Iran has nuclear capacity they would at that point use it. If Iran goes nuclear positive it is the end of the Zionist dream


Makes you think eh?


trish123 Lancashire, Lancashire, England UK
simiain: ===================================================================
With reference to the song lyrics in the above post, you can find the full finished verson here

http://www.seizetheday.org/music.cfm?albumID=4&trackID=52

I met them at the Big Green Gathering three years ago, they are an inspiration



I'm not a big fan of Soialist Worker's rants however what is written above rings very true with the documentary that was made at the 2000 Camp David negociations with Clinton, Arafat and Ehud Barak.

They very nearly have an accord, however at at the last minute we have footage of Arafat almost in tears saying "They are trying to get me to give up soverignty of the Dome of the Rock if i do that i will be assassinated". This man did not fear for his life, if he was assassinated, any deal he made would be worthless, but in his words are the unspoken underlying causes of this conflict.

We have a lot of history about palestine during the development of Islam, people in the region could write and they did. Herod's Temple was in ruins and the temple based religion that gave the Levites a free life, living off the backs of the other 11 tribes of Israel was over, having given way to Rabbinical Judaism where any Jewish man could study and become a Rabbi, where as a Rabbi he was expected to support himself, unless his community decided of their own accord to support him in any way they saw/see fit.

Palestine as an area was no longer a very pleasant place to live central government had collapsed there was no rule of Law and within that, a young man, led by 'the spirit of the oneness that binds all life' decided one day to sit on the ruins of the holy of holies, of the temple and meditate, he found himself doing this for some time as in weeks or months and during that period he 'recieved' words which collectivly bound in a book are now refered to as 'The Koran.'

The Zionist Goal is the re-establishment of the State of Israel and the Temple of The Lord, this goal cannot be achieved whilst the Dome of the Rock still stands.......................

The destruction of the Mosque built on the place where Mohammed recieved the Koran will result in carnage.

If Iran has nuclear capacity they would at that point use it. If Iran goes nuclear positive it is the end of the Zionist dream Makes you think eh?


Its the nuclear threat that alarms me most of all in this, to this end I see Israel as the pawn which has been set up over 60 yrs by the UK and America - they have to have a friendly base in that area.

I dont often post stuff from the SW but I have links to so many diverse points of view - Im even reading a Marxist perspective of the differences between ant-semitism and anti-zionism at the moment and a couple of days ago I was quite surprised to find a couple of things I agreed with in the Times - there are many views to this conflict and Im doing my best to look at as many as possible.......... I do seem to be coming out on the side of anti-zionism though............




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