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If the burning phosphorus lands on a human it is incredibly hard to extinguish, it burns violently in water. It continues to burn even if you submerge yourself in water. That might be why its used, rain wont put it out and it might be why its not meant to be used against humans.

White Phosphorus is stored under Water,it does NOT burn in water!!!!

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If burning particles of WP strike and stick to the clothing, take off the contaminated clothing quickly before the WP burns through to the skin. Remove quickly all clothing affected by phosphorus to prevent phosphorus burning through to skin. If this is impossible, plunge skin or clothing affected by phosphorus in cold water or moisten strongly to extinguish or prevent fire. Then immediately remove affected clothing and rinse affected skin areas with cold sodium bicarbonate solution or with cold water. Moisten skin and remove visible phosphorus (preferably under water) with squared object (knife-back etc.) or tweezers. Do not touch phosphorus with fingers! Throw removed phosphorus or clothing affected by phosphorus into water or allow to bum in suitable location. Cover phosphorus burns with moist dressing and keep moist to prevent renewed inflammation. It is neccessary to dress white phosphorus-injured patients with saline-soaked dressings to prevent reignition of the phosphorus by contact with the air.

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Sodium burns in water!



http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/wp.htm

its because they dont want them to report their crime, take photos and document it , but we already have enough photos of these brutal crimes , their black history will be documented .

also they dstroyed the major food stores ( the storage ) in Gaza( next to the UN schools ) and all the food has burnt , its the only food they had .

its not a chimistry class here Sir !!!

Do you also have the relevant photographs of suiside bombers blowing up Israeli school children on buses?

It's also not a Place for twisting History!
And the Fellows misinformation was just too blatant to overlook,so is yours!

Nope and of course thats terrible too as is any death and fighting - but I have these death toll figures - I also have some maps which show just how much land has been stolen by the Israelis in the last 50 yrs but that will have to wait till I have a little more time........

Gaza conflict death toll hits 1000 victims
Jan 15 2009

THE Palestinian death toll in the Gaza conflict passed 1000 yesterday.

Palestinian medics and aid agencies said around a third of the dead were children.

Gaza's ministry of health reported that 1013 had been killed since the conflict began 19 days ago.

And as devastated relatives struggled to find space to bury the victims, even graves were bombed.

An Irsraeli fighter dropped rockets on a cemetery, smashing tombs and unearthing dozens of bodies.

Witnesses said body parts were flung into houses.

Jakob Kellenberger, head of the international committee of the Red Cross, said: "I saw this dramatic humanitarian situation. It is shocking."

He added that the daily three-hour ceasefire was a positive step but not enough.

There is believed to be a rift in the Israeli government, with defence minister Ehud Barak pressing for a one-week ceasefire.

But prime minister Ehud Olmert has made it clear he would rather escalate the conflict.

There have been 13 Israelis killed, including three civilians caught in Hamas rocket attacks on Israel launched from over the border.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/2009/01/15/gaza-conflict-death-toll-hits-1000-victims-86908-21042223/

Hello Conrad,
Im afraid you information is incorrect. You are correct when you say it is stored under water, this reduces the risk of fire as it can spontaneously combusts at 32 degrees in air but if it is ignited it will continue to burn under water as water contains oxygen. Incase theres any doubt Ive included my source of information and another article readers might find interesting.
“M34 White phosphorus hand grenade.
This is an inert shell that, if active, would be filled with 15 ounces of white phosphorus and a small charge that distributes it over a 35 meter radius when set off. Anyone in that area without protection would be severely burned and/or poisoned, and flammable material would likely end up in flames.
taken from http://www.periodictable.com/Items/015.9/index.html
next we have
W.P.(c)-White Phosphorus. This is a very nasty round that is very effective against enemy units. It is like napalm and covers almost everything. It cannot be put out, even by submerging it in water. To remove a burning patch from flesh it has to be scraped off.”
taken from http://www.military-sf.com/munitions.htm

I came across a web site set up by Israeli students. The object of this website is to encourage Israeli supporters to flood websites such as CS, facebook, bebo, discussion forums and news media comment sections with pro-Israeli messages. They also have a "QassamCount" which is "an application on social media sites Facebook and Twitter that automatically updates a user's status every time a rocket hits Israel. All of that user's friends will see the status update, which lists the location of the attack and the number of rockets fired."

The websie in question is http://www.helpuswin.org/

And here is an article from the Jerusalem Post: http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satelli...cle%2FShowFull

Very clever move as I think a lot of people are getting fed up with mainstream media and are turning more and more to the internet for their news. So they are flooding internet sites with pro-Israeli propaganda. So if CS gets a sudden influx of pro-Israeli supporters they could possible have come from this site.

And which site did you come from.
If you were here through all those threads that were removed,you'd see,it was the opposite,a sudden influx of about a half dozen Hamas Supporters,sprouting Threads like Mushrooms after a warm Rain.
And your Chemistry is sorely lacking,since the O2 in water is chemically bonded.That means,it is NOT free!!!!!
So be afraid all you want!

Oxygen is dissolved in water....thats how the little fishes breathe. He was not speaking of the bonded oxygen that you are speaking.

The white phosphorus grenade, also known as "Willie Petes", is a horrifically effective device that is officially listed as a screening device for the grey, wispy, light smoke it produces. Most experienced military personnel know better, using them for anti-material and anti-personnel effects. A Willie Pete consists of a light metal container packed with white phosphorus and a small bursting charge. When the charge detonates, it destroys the container, and spreads the white phosphorous, which ignites on contact with oxygen and burns at approximately 2750 degrees standard (27 and a half time the boiling point of water). The only treatments for WP burns are to submerge in water the effected area, and then pick out the particles (which will re-ignite as soon as they are exposed to oxygen), or cover the WP with copper sulphate to deactivate it. Most professional soldiers consider the use of WP-based munitions to be either a barbaric weapon of last resort, or a highly effective weapon with many suitable applications, depending on their personality.


http://www.sasspecialairservice.com/sas-support-weapons.html

Hamas supporters?
So things are reduced to supporting Hamas or not. It amazes me an intelligent man can reduce things that way.

AS for the chemical discussion here I do not know what is the real meaning of that: non-conventional weapons will kill people in a horrible way, and with all the professionalism of designers and users.

Just one more point to clear things up: Oxygen is chemically bonded to water molecules but at the molecular level (what is called a solution or in other words oxygen dissolved in water for this case) it does not mean it is free or not free. That is relative, let´s see why: An oxygen molecule is just attached to a lattice of water molecules but in a delicate equilibrium easily broken by external agents, say, if another chemical entering into the water has a higher energy of interaction with the oxygen molecule, then the molecular bond of the pair water-oxygen gets broken up. (In other cases the chemicals do not simply let the oxygen molecules attach the lattice, or make it more difficult, for example the water with chlorine dissolves a lot less oxygen than the water without chlorine)
The technical descriptions and explanations of this specific subject can be found in any basic book of high-school chemistry.

As for the other stuff of non-conventional weapons to kill people more effectively we better ask an Israeli expert (when he gets retired maybe)

PS. I hope the last statement makes me another mushroom sprouted after the rain.

Ive seen that website too and see it as a further extension of the Israeli propaganda machines efforts to influence governments and media worldwide - but the facts speak for themselves.

They have finally, after 50 yrs of such tactics, cornered these people into the tiny Gaza Strip area and are now systematically bombarding them with vastly superior weaponry, thereby flouting various Geneva and UN conventions.

A lot of their arms are supplied by Britain and America who have a vested interest (the arms trade is very lucrative) in helping them perpetuate this genocide of native peoples (ring any bells?) in their self serving efforts to influence the outcomes of their own ongoing struggles in the middle east and the international scramble for oil supremacy.

I apologise for upseting you Conrad. You are right my chemistry is sorely lacking. Just for the record I am NOT a Hamas supported, live and let live Conrad and again I apologise for any upset I caused you. If you are anti Hamas I can understand that and respect your views. In no way do I support the rocket attacks in Israel nor do I believe this conflict is as simple as ownership of natural gas. Natural gas is a valuable resource but Palestine has more valuable resources such as water. Humans can live without natural gas.

West Bank Water Usage
Of the water available from West Bank aquifers, Israel uses 73%, West Bank Palestinians use 17%, and illegal Jewish settlers use 10%.
While 10-14% of Palestine’s GDP is agricultural, 90% of them must rely on rain-fed farming methods. Israel’s agriculture is only 3% of their GDP, but Israel irrigates more than 50% of its land.
Three million West Bank Palestinians use only 250 million cubic meters per year (83 cubic meters per Palestinian per year) while six million Israelis enjoy the use of 1,954 million cubic meters (333 cubic meters per Israeli per year), which means that each Israeli consumes as much water as four Palestinians. Israeli settlers are allocated 1,450 cubic meters of water per person per year.
Israel consumes the vast majority of the water from the Jordan River despite only 3% of the river falling within its pre-1967 borders. Israel now diverts one quarter of its total water consumption through its National Water Carrier from the Jordan River, whereas Palestinians have no access to it whatsoever due to Israeli closures.
Israeli Military Orders to Control Water Resources

Israeli strategies aimed to negate the very presence of the Palestinian people. Major Israeli designs intended to coerce the Palestinians to vacate the land. Practices, such as land confiscation, house demolition and even killings, enabled Israel tighter control over Palestinian land including water its most valuable resource.

Immediately after the occupation of the West Bank and Gaza Strip in 1967, Israeli military authorities issued several Military Orders (MO) to ensure tight control over water resources. On 17 June 1967, Military Order 92 was issued. It covered the following:

a-All water resources in Gaza and the West Bank are considered government property;
b-All permits for artesian wells are cancelled;
c-All information or data regarding water resources is strictly classified7.

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On 15 August 1967, another Military Order was issued placing all authority over water matters, exclusively, in the hands of a military officer. Military Order 1015 issued on 27 July 1982 and was amended by Military Order 1039 on 5 December 1982 determined the nature and quantity of crops Palestinians may plant, especially, in irrigated parts. It also demanded that Palestinian farmers reduce their crops to lessen water consumption8 . Similarly, in the Gaza Strip, two Military Orders were issued declaring water resources governmental and ordering Palestinians to seek permission from the military governor for any project involving water.

These Military Orders enabled Israeli occupation authorities absolute control over Palestinian water resources. These authorities have often refused to grant any permission to dig artesian wells or to build any water networks. Dr. Paul Korch wrote in Middle Right: “Since the occupation of the Palestinian territories by Israel the military authorities did not grant a permit to a single village to dig any wells. Between 1967 and 1983 only seven wells were allowed and those were for domestic consumption”. Additionally, Israeli authorities prohibit restoration of old wells. Owners of wells that existed prior to June 1967 were forced to place meters to determine exact amounts of water drawn from their wells.

The Palestinian Planing Center reported that Israeli Water Commission exercised direct and tight control over Palestinian water resources since 1967. Two Israeli companies, Tahal was responsible for regulating water policies while Mekorot, was entrusted with digging artesian wells and sales of water in the Occupied Palestinian Territories.

HMMM maybe you are on to something here???? Get outta here kid, with all this conspiracy shit. The motha funkers of Hamass, oh I mean hamas, are so jealuos, so full of hate, that a civilized country, such as Israel is living there in the land of the bible. They think it is thiers, for what reason, who gives a funk, oh wait I am sorry, I forgot that's where the false prophet mohammed preached his word of the father allah. Wait a minute, didn't some one try that about 600 years earlier, and perfomed real life miracles, not this fake smoke and illusion shit. Yeah what's his name?? Hmmm, I believe it was something like JESUS CHRIST. Who else in this world has ever even attempted to do what he did?? We are all soooooooo scared bout what the world thinks, that no 1 will try to stand up to this fake ass moon god named allah, yeah folks, he's not the same god I worship, he's no all loving, forever forgiving, so peaceful true way of the universe. He was just a funkin man, with some ideas, he was a copy cat. he filled those poor people's heads up with nonsense, and turned them away from the one and only true saviour of mankind. JESUS CHRIST. The lamb, the son of GOD. So innocent and pure, only wishing to spread love, and the one thruth of GOD, and fear of what the darkness can do to ya. How decietful satan is, in every freakin shape and form upon this earth at one time or another. Hiding behind good words, or deeds to falsley lead us astray, to fill our heads with hate, and lies, and darkness from all around. FUNK SATAN. LOVE THE ONLY TRUTH THIS WORLD HAS EVER KNOWN, AND JUST BE POSTIVE ABOUT EVERYTHING. I love you all and hope to be in an everlasting embrace so full of warmth and grace, and peace and LOVE, in the one true heaeven. GOD BLESS YOU ALL

I love you ALL!
God bless you ALL

ALL??????

There seems to be quite a bit of hatred in your post - as Im trying my hardest to keep this thread from getting pulled, I would very much respect it if you could maybe take this stufff elsewhere - there are others here who seemingly want to bring the religion element in to the debate - I suggest you open a thread and discuss it amongst yourselves.

Respectfully, trish.