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she probably would be if she could just see your face!!!

Ohh she is out there. she is just playing Hide and seek.

well here is my face now I know she wont show lol....
i hope she proves me wrong!!!

I'm new to this so I might as well get out in the open with my theory on women, men and "the nice guy."

As guys we are told as we grow up to behave, wash up after ourselves, pull out chairs, open doors, etc....be gentlemen, be nice guys. Then as we enter dating age we find girls who seem to gravitate toward the exact opposite guys that the women in our formidable years told us they wanted.

This has always puzzled me, until one day it came to me (in two parts)...

First women don't have a type, because whenever they get what they think they want they secretly want something else. The phrase "never satisfied" comes to mind. As a nice guy who can give a woman every thing she would want, as well as being confident in myself enough to get what I want, this drives me insane. Its causing me to question my dedication to the "nice guy" persona that I identify myself as being. Which brings me to part two...

All guys were nice guys at one point, the jerks/scumbag guys are just nice guys who have been tortured too long and have turned to the darkside!

As you read this you might think I am just bitter, looking for someone to blame for my successes and eventual failures in my love life. I'm not bitter, I'm just observational. I'm going to continue to be who I am because I know someday I will make either a great second husband, or the 45 year old rich husband of a 21 year old swimsuit model!

Baraboo, (I think) you are absolutely correct.

The reason a woman isn't satisfied when she gets what she sought after, is that it was "easy kill" and she cannot claim her worth for e.g. by subduing more challenging prey, as feather in her cap how powerful her womanly powers are, and how superior to other women's. Nice guys are like handing the woman a filleted fish -- no challenge, no "thrill of the hunt", no victory, therefore also prized less, valued less, in her mind.

Women "go into the grocery store with health foods on their list", and "come out with only junk food". (I.e. they espouse high-minded principles about men & love, but in reality value & act the opposite.)

These ideas are already very well documented in the enlightening $12 paperback: "How to Be the Jerk Women Love", by Mr. Shark.

Get it!

-deeper

The "nice guy" highway has two lanes.
There are some "nice ladies" out here that feel the same (pain) you do.

I for one, can admit that I seem to attract "bad guys".....but am bright enough and strong enough to tell them to take a hike.

Thus, I am on a singles site. And enjoying it!

Boy all these are pretty close to how things may just be. My two bits, women want to have a strong man in many ways i think a problem develops when so many women being young girls have poor father figures and have trouble handling the softer side of men because their fathers either didn't show them how real men are suppposed to act, or they just weren't there at all. When a new relationship develops there's the new car feel. Soon this wears off and your left with the person who is really just standing beside you. They may be a strong compasionate type with romance in their heart every day, or a softer kinda guy who is a lil more hum drum day to day and not sure how to express passion or just a lack of fire in the passion dept. This could send a chick off in another direction unless they have this commitment thing instilled while they were young. If the passion isn't there often enough for them and the commitment isn't inside you end up with a mismatch and uncontentment.
I was with someone recently for two years! I planned on working things thru. i felt a lack of passion on her behalf, but it may have been that she didn't know how to start a romantic encounter with me. I had always been the one who made things move along to the bed. I really wanted her to make a move on occasion but it never happend. I had accepted this but i noticed my eyes did wander. However the commitment thing held me in place and i never took my wants outside the relationship.
so i could easily see this flipflopping to the fairer sex easily.

Well said, you go girl!