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Yeah its almost fascintating and scary to watch to re-emergence of State and Church. Most resonable countries mostly in the western world made the seperation of State and Church and rightly so. (Forget the year Ireland did it) But these days it can be seen creeping back in. Not so Much in Europe unless you could point out some examples but the likes of America. 20 years ago it was all about kissing babies on the street and stating your all about the familly. Now you cant get elected unless your seen coming out of a church. Also that insidious nonsense of intelligent design is getting its funding and Air time from somewhere with connections up the political ladder.

Im not sure you could fault them for being Economic organisations as some of the religions have there followers in the hundred of millions and they all donate. What they do with the money i dont know but id imagine its redistributed to grass route clergy and charitable organisations. Perhaps some sidlined for lobbying politicans ? Wouldnt suprise me. But a Mass organisation needs good accounting and i feel they do good with their wealth.

Hi everyone I'm back.

Mama Mia was great.

God I could sooooo do things to Pierce Brosnan!!!!!

Really?? You really forgive me?? Honestly?? And who gives you the authority to decide if I need forgiveness?? Or that you have the right to give forgiveness??

You are not my parent. You are not my creator. You are not my judge.

You're a child!! You need to grow up and learn to have respect for the people you share the world with.

well the church of england has been trying it recently but as they're a pathetic rump no-one is listening.

don't agree that churches generally do good with money - they accumulate most of it. vatican is phenomenally wealthy and the church is still a huge land-owner in ireland. the church of england doesn't own a great deal of land cos the monarchy took it off them. despite lopping off a king's head we haven't got it all off the royals yet but our time will come...

" and learn to have respect for the people you share the world with."[/quote]


I do have respect for the people I share the world with , (well for those that have not given me reason to withdraw it )[/quote]





My dear I fear it is you that need's to grow up
But again I forgive you

Did you happen to notice at the height of the Church sex scandals and when it came time to pay out alot of churches suddenly need refurbishment and of course funds had to be raised to do it.....just my lil conspiricy theory thats been knocking around my head.

I dont know much about the higher workings of the church it just seems appaling that they would hoarde money with the state the world is in. I think if i want to sleep tonight ill just think they hoarde a bit a pass a lil bit on

Do you recall they made a deal where they agreed to split the pay out’s 50/50 with the state ?? Well so far all the payments have been made by the state only

pierce brosnan is in mama mia ?

can he sing or is he just the eye candy ?

He is unlikely to make his living as a singer but he was wasn't too bad. He was most certainly eye candy. Specially when he took his shirt off. Yummmmm.

pah, you're all the same, just after one thing...

you couold be right?? how old is pierce?? ill have to change my age range!!

The Irish people are under the impression that the church is separate from the state, but if you read the constitution you will find the preamble to the so called Irish constitution, it asks that all men women and children bare their allegiance to the church. If you read further into the constitution you will find there is no mention of 'The Irish People' and that the constitution protects it's self rather than it's people. This allows the catholic church to do as it pleases in Ireland with no accountability to any one. And in light of the systematic abuse of Irish children by the church, they were free to rape and abuse as they pleased with out hindrance. Only now the state is writing the rights of children in Ireland, 51 years after the formation of it's constitution.

Was that not in the original constitution but removed during the 60’s

The last time I read the constitution in a public library about 2 years ago it was in it.

If it was taken out what was replaced by it?

Can you recall which part it was ?? (im looking at the copy on the goverment website)

Thank you wiki

Religion
Main article: Fifth Amendment of the Constitution of Ireland
The Constitution of Ireland guarantees freedom of worship and forbids the state from creating an established church. Previously the constitution contained a clause which explicitly recognised a number of religions including the Catholic, Anglican, Presbyterian and Jewish religions. Controversially it also recognised the "special position" of the Catholic religion. However, it was removed by referendum in 1973 (see below). Nevertheless the constitution still contains a number of explicit religious references, such as in the preamble, the oath sworn by the President and Article 44.1, which reads:

The State acknowledges that the homage of public worship is due to Almighty God. It shall hold His Name in reverence, and shall respect and honour religion.
The constitution has also, since 1983, contained a controversial prohibition of abortion. However, this does not apply in cases where there is a threat to the life of the mother (including from risk of suicide) and may not be used to limit the distribution of information about abortion services in other countries or the right of freedom of travel to procure an abortion.

A number of ideas still found in the constitution reflect the Catholic social teachings current in the 1930s. Such teachings informed the provisions of the (non-binding) Directive Principles of Social Policy and the system of vocational panels used to elect the senate. The constitution also grants very broadly worded rights to the institution of the family.

As adopted in 1937 the constitution included two particular controversial provisions that have since been removed. These were a prohibition of divorce and a reference to the "special position" of the Catholic Church. Article 44, Sections 2 and 3 read:

Section 2: The State recognises the special position of the Holy Catholic Apostolic and Roman Church as the guardian of the Faith professed by the great majority of the citizens.
Section 3: The State also recognises the Church of Ireland, the Presbyterian Church in Ireland, the Methodist Church in Ireland, the Religious Society of Friends in Ireland, as well as the Jewish Congregations and the other religious denominations existing in Ireland at the date of the coming into operation of this Constitution.
Few contemporary commentators argue that the original text of the Constitution would be fully appropriate today. Those that have have argued that:

incorporating Catholic social teaching into law was common to many predominantly Catholic countries in the 1930s. Divorce, for example was banned in other states such as Italy, which repealed its ban in the 1970s.
the reference to the Catholic Church's special position was of no legal effect and there was significance in the fact that the "special position" of Catholicism was held to derive merely from its greater number of adherents, a concept that ran contrary to the Church's view of itself before the Second Vatican Council. Notably, Éamon De Valera resisted pressure from right-wing Catholic groups such as Maria Duce to make Catholicism an established church or to declare it the "one true religion".
the prohibition on divorce was supported by senior members of the Church of Ireland
the constitution's explicit recognition of the Jewish community was progressive in the climate of the 1930s.
However Sections 2 and 3 of Article 44 which recognised specific religions were deleted from the constitution in 1973. The ban on divorce was removed in 1996.

sadly it already is here in the states

It's the page before the the constitution starts. I haven't seen the web site so I can't answer that.