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scad97 manchester, Greater Manchester, England UK
Can cross-cultural differences determine relationships in today's changing society?
geminiman61 nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England UK
scad97: Can cross-cultural differences determine relationships in today's changing society?


Sure it would have a baring on things but relationships are about compromise so problems can be sorted if both parties want that.I lived with a Jamaican girl for two years and we did OK.I now spend alot of time in Turkey and it's happening all around me with Turkish/British most don't work but some do i know more bad luck stories than good but in life things are never easy whether both parties are the same colour/creed or whatever.wink



scad97 manchester, Greater Manchester, England UK
geminiman61: Sure it would have a baring on things but relationships are about compromise so problems can be sorted if both parties want that.I lived with a Jamaican girl for two years and we did OK.I now spend alot of time in Turkey and it's happening all around me with Turkish/British most don't work but some do i know more bad luck stories than good but in life things are never easy whether both parties are the same colour/creed or whatever.


Thank you for your inspirational suggestion and thought.I totally agree with you on the issue of compromise. But hey, just like you said nothing is easy nowadays especially when it comes to relationships. On the other hand, I still think though that the difference in cultural values plays a more pivotal part in deciding whether the relationship stands to prevail. Anyway would you agree that there are also huge benefits to cross-cultural intergration?
geminiman61 nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England UK
scad97: Thank you for your inspirational suggestion and thought.I totally agree with you on the issue of compromise. But hey, just like you said nothing is easy nowadays especially when it comes to relationships. On the other hand, I still think though that the difference in cultural values plays a more pivotal part in deciding whether the relationship stands to prevail. Anyway would you agree that there are also huge benefits to cross-cultural intergration?


The only benifits i can see is a need for learning about each others needs.Some cultures like the muslims make the British turn to their faith and myself not being religious but having views think that religion shouldn't be forced it takes away their independance.JMO
I'm going to get hung herhelp
I might be slightly biased here because my sister was seeing a Jamaican and they had 2 boys together and he hasn't been nowhere near for them,don't think i have problems with colour here though because i haven't.:)
Tell me what benifits you see buddycheers



scad97 manchester, Greater Manchester, England UK
Actually, your right because when it comes to the concept of religious beliefs. people become swayed to believe that some religions are far more complex than others hence avoiding relationships. You gave an example of Islam. However, you also forgot to mention that Islam just like any other religion has got its own traditional doctrines which if one fully practices and abides by them, they then happen to appear as extremist to others. But on the other hand, I would also like to agree with you on the issue of how some people belonging to the muslim faith are misrepresenting it. Mind you, most religions including Islam do not permit forceful conversion into their religions. They instead request that a person portrays in a more humble manner which in effect might lead to other's from different religions to embrace his/her faith.

Anyway, back to the benefits of cross-cultural intergration. Without breaking them down one by one, I can only suggest that you look at it from a Biopsychosocial,economic and spiritual perspective.handshake



scad97 manchester, Greater Manchester, England UK
Personally, because I have dated more white women than black women, I have come to realise that most of my relationships with the white females tend not to last long because we seem to possess different ideologies in the way things are viewed or portrayed. Having said this, I still date and would even settle for if I had too with a female from a different cultural background. And by the way, dont get me wrong, am not insinuating that two people from different racial backgrounds cant have a successful relationship, because they have and will always do. But still, this does not mean that cultural differences never impede on relationships, if you know where am coming from. At the moment though, Iam yet to be proven wrong as this might just well be an empirical view I hold based on the facts from the few longterm relationships I have been involved in. Iam also certain that come one day, this will change as the young generation amalgamates.

How about you? reflecting back on your relationship with that Jamaican woman or even based on your sister's point of view. Do you think that the difference in social and ethical values may have determined the longevity of both relationships?
geminiman61 nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England UK
scad97: Personally, because I have dated more white women than black women, I have come to realise that most of my relationships with the white females tend not to last long because we seem to possess different ideologies in the way things are viewed or portrayed. Having said this, I still date and would even settle for if I had too with a female from a different cultural background. And by the way, dont get me wrong, am not insinuating that two people from different racial backgrounds cant have a successful relationship, because they have and will always do. But still, this does not mean that cultural differences never impede on relationships, if you know where am coming from. At the moment though, Iam yet to be proven wrong as this might just well be an empirical view I hold based on the facts from the few longterm relationships I have been involved in. Iam also certain that come one day, this will change as the young generation amalgamates.

How about you? reflecting back on your relationship with that Jamaican woman or even based on your sister's point of view. Do you think that the difference in social and ethical values may have determined the longevity of both relationships?
peace

Of course it has a reflection on our future,what we did or saw in our past.
Without a past there can be no future.
My relationship with my Jamaican probably broke down because i was immature at the time and not ready for settling down we still speak and she is still a knockout we didn't have any social or cultural problems i did get a few funny/nasty looks off alot of black people when we went out because she was a model but saying that we got looks where ever we went maybe because we were both good looking or because the black/white mix?
Who know or cares that's my past and i look forward to my future.
My sisters relationship broke up because he couldn't keep his pants up if you know what i mean she only goes with black men you know the sayings black don't crack n once you go black you'll never go back well she didn't and i did i don't mind what colour or creed someone is she does the black guy is another wide boy and he goes with any woman with a pulsegrin
Maybe we don't know what we've got till it's gone i don't know?
I hope you have luck on here mate and it's all goodcheers



scad97 manchester, Greater Manchester, England UK
rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing Dude your so funny. Well, personally I wouldnt want to count on any luck off the site yet because I have been on quite a few far too many and far too long (CS inclusive), yet they still havent yielded any luck at all. Anyway, who knows it's too soon to reach to such a decision. But I'll just keep an open/healthy mind incase an offer comes knocking my way. Tell you what though, am having a great time in the forums this time round because I get to read different OP's from people that are ventilating their negative/positive feelings about past and present relationships.cheers
Mulberry4000 Manchester, Greater Manchester, England UK
what do u mean some cutlures like the muslims, they have no one cluture, its massively different, say between a north african muslim to a pakistani, also you have senagalise, to nigerian muslims, all have their own culture and views on islam. Sudanese and some african muslims do female circumsion,k whhile morrocans and libyians and other north african countries do not, same in pakistan, of course it depends if they are in the city or on the rural areas.



trish123 Lancashire, Lancashire, England UK
scad97: Personally, because I have dated more white women than black women, I have come to realise that most of my relationships with the white females tend not to last long because we seem to possess different ideologies in the way things are viewed or portrayed. Having said this, I still date and would even settle for if I had too with a female from a different cultural background. And by the way, dont get me wrong, am not insinuating that two people from different racial backgrounds cant have a successful relationship, because they have and will always do. But still, this does not mean that cultural differences never impede on relationships, if you know where am coming from. At the moment though, Iam yet to be proven wrong as this might just well be an empirical view I hold based on the facts from the few longterm relationships I have been involved in. Iam also certain that come one day, this will change as the young generation amalgamates.

How about you? reflecting back on your relationship with that Jamaican woman or even based on your sister's point of view. Do you think that the difference in social and ethical values may have determined the longevity of both relationships?


I think your views are somewhat subjective - you are bringing not only racial/colour but also religiously prejudiced ideologies into play when what you are really looking for is somebody who is right for you and as for "settling for" a person of different cultural background, well honey, dont bend over too far to do us any favours, you just might break.............



scad97 manchester, Greater Manchester, England UK
Mulberry4000: what do u mean some cutlures like the muslims, they have no one cluture, its massively different, say between a north african muslim to a pakistani, also you have senagalise, to nigerian muslims, all have their own culture and views on islam. Sudanese and some african muslims do female circumsion,k whhile morrocans and libyians and other north african countries do not, same in pakistan, of course it depends if they are in the city or on the rural areas.


Dude you have interpreted "Geminiman61's" point of expression incorrectly. I understood the point he was trying to put across because he dint mean to imply that all muslims have one culture. but also let me put up a strong clear argument with you about this Islamic concept. First of all, you would agree with me that religion falls under the customery beliefs of any particular social group(hence religion can be an element of culture in itself). Thereby, if say we had two people from different cultural backgrounds ie, African and European who also seem to share different religions say Muslim and Christian. That could interfere with their relationship because of the complexity of the religions.

Now going back to that phrase "some cultures like the muslims" Despite the fact, that it wasnt the best correct way of phrasing the sentence. It still made sense to me because actually you have just used the most pathetic example of circumcision I have ever heard of. First of all my dear friend, let me educate you about one or two things regarding the Muslim faith. Firstly, Islam as a globally practiced religion does not differ at all. because all muslims world wide practice its five fundamental pillars. So it doesnt matter whether you have different views about how to practice it as long as you fulfil its five most important pillars. Secondly, the issue of female circumcision is not only practiced by muslims but also other religions especially in mainstream African countries. It is also not based on religious doctrines because the evidence behind it's practice, is inconclusive given that the highest consensus of muslim scholars attribute it as a male only practice. Hence, that is why it is still more widely regarded as a cultural/traditional concept in different african countries.



scad97 manchester, Greater Manchester, England UK
trish123: I think your views are somewhat subjective - you are bringing not only racial/colour but also religiously prejudiced ideologies into play when what you are really looking for is somebody who is right for you and as for "settling for" a person of different cultural background, well honey, dont bend over too far to do us any favours, you just might break.............


Am sry to say this, but Trish123 you appear to be an intelligent woman. I just wish though, that you could have taken time to read through my posts before you made your judgement. If at all I was bringing racially/religiously prejudiced ideologies, knowing "Geminiman" as he is. I dont think he would have actually participated in this thread. Besides, you should have realised that the religious side of the debate did not emanate from me. I was just agreeing with the view "Geminiman" had brought up.

Therefore, you ought to apologise instead for using a racist tone of language "dont bend over too far to do "us" any favours, you might just break ...". I find that indeed offensive. I just hope you did not make a general representation for every decent white person on this forum. Lastly, no where does my profile read that am seeking a relationship on this site so you should know.
Mulberry4000 Manchester, Greater Manchester, England UK
scad97: Dude you have interpreted "Geminiman61's" point of expression incorrectly. I understood the point he was trying to put across because he dint mean to imply that all muslims have one culture. but also let me put up a strong clear argument with you about this Islamic concept. First of all, you would agree with me that religion falls under the customery beliefs of any particular social group(hence religion can be an element of culture in itself). Thereby, if say we had two people from different cultural backgrounds ie, African and European who also seem to share different religions say Muslim and Christian. That could interfere with their relationship because of the complexity of the religions.

Now going back to that phrase "some cultures like the muslims" Despite the fact, that it wasnt the best correct way of phrasing the sentence. It still made sense to me because actually you have just used the most pathetic example of circumcision I have ever heard of. First of all my dear friend, let me educate you about one or two things regarding the Muslim faith. Firstly, Islam as a globally practiced religion does not differ at all. because all muslims world wide practice its five fundamental pillars. So it doesnt matter whether you have different views about how to practice it as long as you fulfil its five most important pillars. Secondly, the issue of female circumcision is not only practiced by muslims but also other religions especially in mainstream African countries. It is also not based on religious doctrines because the evidence behind it's practice, is inconclusive given that the highest consensus of muslim scholars attribute it as a male only practice. Hence, that is why it is still more widely regarded as a cultural/traditional concept in different african countries.


yes and no, its like saying the germans are the same cultures as the british or the americans just because they are christian, while they share things in come you would agree the germans are completely differnt in culture to the americans and british, for one thing language is different and customs etc. Also history as well. Its the same in muslim countries, but their version of islam might be the same or similar say for example the migreb area of afria which emcompasses morrocoo, algeria and libyah, they are all arab speaking and share the same culture identiy, its the same in egypt and palistine and sudia arabia, however their arabic is more varied than british english to american etc, they have different dilects and use completey different words but in sudan or indonesia or inida or pakistan or for that matter china, even though they are muslims they will interpret islam through that cultural eye glass. There is no one single islamic culuture but there is only one islam, go figure lol




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