EU or NOT (54)
well I don't really know much about it but if I thought coming out would put our country back on its feet and have our old England back to the way it was I would vote to come out, I think before we went into the EU our health service was better and you could walk out of one job into another plus it opened the flood Gates, but I do think the money we give to the EU could be better spent in our own country,
People are too afraid of economic collapse if they dare leaving.
doreen1: well I don't really know much about it but if I thought coming out would put our country back on its feet and have our old England back to the way it was I would vote to come out, I think before we went into the EU our health service was better and you could walk out of one job into another plus it opened the flood Gates, but I do think the money we give to the EU could be better spent in our own country,
Doreen it is hard to find true facts these days the fight gets very dirty now.
Above all else our democracy is out the window the eu dictates, human rights, colour and size of your veg and oh a whole lot more, that is beside the fact that we and they in eu can go and live in any eu country wether we are needed or not and get medical help social help and schooling. Cant be right for any country that.
Redex: Doreen it is hard to find true facts these days the fight gets very dirty now. Above all else our democracy is out the window the eu dictates, human rights, colour and size of your veg and oh a whole lot more, that is beside the fact that we and they in eu can go and live in any eu country wether we are needed or not and get medical help social help and schooling. Cant be right for any country that.
Absolutely and nothing I have seen on TV on any programme be it news or a "special" from the REMAIN side in the last week hasd alterd my view in any way - The fact is that we MUST regain Our Sovereignty which means US exercising our legal right of OUR elected parliament to make our laws, control who comes here and for what purpose.
I said this in Public the other day and was threatened by the police for saying it in Public - It is time for the Second Battle of Britain because Many of us today can remember the same stitching up rhetoric prior to the Vote for the common market in 1975 and even just about remember the first Battle in the air against a certain Little Corporal and a Luftwaffe Fat man's Hot air from France and his European dictatorship.
MintyFeet: People are too afraid of economic collapse if they dare leaving.
At last Cameron has come out of his closet and admitted that he has been exagerating the problems England would have coming out,
He has admitted that England could quite easily go it alone..
So all you on the fencers vote out, out, out.
IN for me.
funke3: yes,yes,I always thought u were from Eastern Europe!Not nice for u to stereotype Arabs ,Vietnamese etc.U seem to put your self as judge and jury forgetting some other people are judging u.Wont it be lovely if discussions on the forum can be conducted by not putting others down.Then cloudy and brittle minds will not spoil clear thinking.Dont u ever get fed up degrading people?
I'm not always degrading people and I do say positive things about foreigners. For example the Vietnamese have nice hair.
zakie got to agree with you. I hear more and more waffle at the moment our socalled leaders must think we are thick.
Cameron tried to get changes so he must have thought something out of kilter but now he thinks EU bees knees. i do not understand that at all.
Why scare people all the money sent and recieved back to go on this or that, well surely we should know best what it should help out. All the money that does not come back could be used for failing NHS public services schools etc.
That is one hell of a lot weekly money sent to unelected people.
Cameron tried to get changes so he must have thought something out of kilter but now he thinks EU bees knees. i do not understand that at all.
Why scare people all the money sent and recieved back to go on this or that, well surely we should know best what it should help out. All the money that does not come back could be used for failing NHS public services schools etc.
That is one hell of a lot weekly money sent to unelected people.
Having read this thread, I feel that a lot of you are not thinking clearly.
Let me first state for the record That I will be voting to leave the EU,
The choice of in or out is an easy one. Forget all the propaganda from both the Brexit and Remain Twats, and Just ask yourself one simple question, Do I want Britain to be State in the U.S.E.
United states of Europe. is the long term goal of the EU, to have one Federal Gov, Already we have laws being made in the EU that supersede our own (Some good some bad), there is talk of doing away with national armys and have just one EU army, the push for ever closer political/fiscal union, and a untied foreign policy ( something both France and Germany have been pushing for for years)
It is my opinion that the Idea of a common market with free, trade, movement of people is a very good one, But the push for Federalization is a step in the wrong direction,
there are both good and bad points in having a USE, But make no Mistake this is the direction The EU is heading.
here a chapter from a book (Federalism in the European Union) it is a few years old 2012), (thats deliberate on my part )(Link at end of post) what is does broadly is to point out what to what degree Europe Had already been federalized, (at the time of publishing), and why it can not be classed yet as a Federal State, Pay close attention to page 166, and bear in mind three things, We already have what is being called a "European Arrest warrant," and We already have at least two army starting to merge in to Just one ( Germany and Holland ) and the increasing levels of enforcement of EU regulations
The
Add to all of the the Official Stand of Germany and France about Federalization ( and the fact that they are the Driving force in the EU)
A Federal Europe is coming But I dont expect it to fully happen soon, 20 years is my take on it but may take up to 50,
But I dont think that being a State in this USE long term will be a good thing for Britain and we would do a lot better being out
I just want to add one more point.
If We do vote to stay the EU then we should push the time table for a United States of Europe forward, and become a leading voice in the push, so rather than sliding it in through the back door (as it is happening now), we should be demanding a written constitution, free elections of all the government branches of this Union,( something we dont have now), and making sure that the workings elected Government is totally open and transparent, ( again something we dont have now)
Regardless of how you intend to vote, I urge every one who can vote , to vote, as this will probably be the last chance we the "Public" get to decide because, if we leave now they wont let us rejoin, and if we stay we will have to abide by the new rule changes that will make it increasing harder to leave
and remember the choice you make is going to be the for your children and grandchildren
Thats it Rant over,
Heres the link I mentioned
~amoravcs/library/federalism.pdf
Let me first state for the record That I will be voting to leave the EU,
The choice of in or out is an easy one. Forget all the propaganda from both the Brexit and Remain Twats, and Just ask yourself one simple question, Do I want Britain to be State in the U.S.E.
United states of Europe. is the long term goal of the EU, to have one Federal Gov, Already we have laws being made in the EU that supersede our own (Some good some bad), there is talk of doing away with national armys and have just one EU army, the push for ever closer political/fiscal union, and a untied foreign policy ( something both France and Germany have been pushing for for years)
It is my opinion that the Idea of a common market with free, trade, movement of people is a very good one, But the push for Federalization is a step in the wrong direction,
there are both good and bad points in having a USE, But make no Mistake this is the direction The EU is heading.
here a chapter from a book (Federalism in the European Union) it is a few years old 2012), (thats deliberate on my part )(Link at end of post) what is does broadly is to point out what to what degree Europe Had already been federalized, (at the time of publishing), and why it can not be classed yet as a Federal State, Pay close attention to page 166, and bear in mind three things, We already have what is being called a "European Arrest warrant," and We already have at least two army starting to merge in to Just one ( Germany and Holland ) and the increasing levels of enforcement of EU regulations
The
Add to all of the the Official Stand of Germany and France about Federalization ( and the fact that they are the Driving force in the EU)
A Federal Europe is coming But I dont expect it to fully happen soon, 20 years is my take on it but may take up to 50,
But I dont think that being a State in this USE long term will be a good thing for Britain and we would do a lot better being out
I just want to add one more point.
If We do vote to stay the EU then we should push the time table for a United States of Europe forward, and become a leading voice in the push, so rather than sliding it in through the back door (as it is happening now), we should be demanding a written constitution, free elections of all the government branches of this Union,( something we dont have now), and making sure that the workings elected Government is totally open and transparent, ( again something we dont have now)
Regardless of how you intend to vote, I urge every one who can vote , to vote, as this will probably be the last chance we the "Public" get to decide because, if we leave now they wont let us rejoin, and if we stay we will have to abide by the new rule changes that will make it increasing harder to leave
and remember the choice you make is going to be the for your children and grandchildren
Thats it Rant over,
Heres the link I mentioned
~amoravcs/library/federalism.pdf
ManicCC: Having read this thread, I feel that a lot of you are not thinking clearly.
Let me first state for the record That I will be voting to leave the EU,
The choice of in or out is an easy one. Forget all the propaganda from both the Brexit and Remain Twats, and Just ask yourself one simple question, Do I want Britain to be State in the U.S.E.
United states of Europe. is the long term goal of the EU, to have one Federal Gov, Already we have laws being made in the EU that supersede our own (Some good some bad), there is talk of doing away with national armys and have just one EU army, the push for ever closer political/fiscal union, and a untied foreign policy ( something both France and Germany have been pushing for for years)
It is my opinion that the Idea of a common market with free, trade, movement of people is a very good one, But the push for Federalization is a step in the wrong direction,
there are both good and bad points in having a USE, But make no Mistake this is the direction The EU is heading.
here a chapter from a book (Federalism in the European Union) it is a few years old 2012), (thats deliberate on my part )(Link at end of post) what is does broadly is to point out what to what degree Europe Had already been federalized, (at the time of publishing), and why it can not be classed yet as a Federal State, Pay close attention to page 166, and bear in mind three things, We already have what is being called a "European Arrest warrant," and We already have at least two army starting to merge in to Just one ( Germany and Holland ) and the increasing levels of enforcement of EU regulations
The
Add to all of the the Official Stand of Germany and France about Federalization ( and the fact that they are the Driving force in the EU)
A Federal Europe is coming But I dont expect it to fully happen soon, 20 years is my take on it but may take up to 50,
But I dont think that being a State in this USE long term will be a good thing for Britain and we would do a lot better being out
I just want to add one more point.
If We do vote to stay the EU then we should push the time table for a United States of Europe forward, and become a leading voice in the push, so rather than sliding it in through the back door (as it is happening now), we should be demanding a written constitution, free elections of all the government branches of this Union,( something we dont have now), and making sure that the workings elected Government is totally open and transparent, ( again something we dont have now)
Regardless of how you intend to vote, I urge every one who can vote , to vote, as this will probably be the last chance we the "Public" get to decide because, if we leave now they wont let us rejoin, and if we stay we will have to abide by the new rule changes that will make it increasing harder to leave
and remember the choice you make is going to be the for your children and grandchildren
Thats it Rant over,
Heres the link I mentioned
~amoravcs/library/federalism.pdf
Let me first state for the record That I will be voting to leave the EU,
The choice of in or out is an easy one. Forget all the propaganda from both the Brexit and Remain Twats, and Just ask yourself one simple question, Do I want Britain to be State in the U.S.E.
United states of Europe. is the long term goal of the EU, to have one Federal Gov, Already we have laws being made in the EU that supersede our own (Some good some bad), there is talk of doing away with national armys and have just one EU army, the push for ever closer political/fiscal union, and a untied foreign policy ( something both France and Germany have been pushing for for years)
It is my opinion that the Idea of a common market with free, trade, movement of people is a very good one, But the push for Federalization is a step in the wrong direction,
there are both good and bad points in having a USE, But make no Mistake this is the direction The EU is heading.
here a chapter from a book (Federalism in the European Union) it is a few years old 2012), (thats deliberate on my part )(Link at end of post) what is does broadly is to point out what to what degree Europe Had already been federalized, (at the time of publishing), and why it can not be classed yet as a Federal State, Pay close attention to page 166, and bear in mind three things, We already have what is being called a "European Arrest warrant," and We already have at least two army starting to merge in to Just one ( Germany and Holland ) and the increasing levels of enforcement of EU regulations
The
Add to all of the the Official Stand of Germany and France about Federalization ( and the fact that they are the Driving force in the EU)
A Federal Europe is coming But I dont expect it to fully happen soon, 20 years is my take on it but may take up to 50,
But I dont think that being a State in this USE long term will be a good thing for Britain and we would do a lot better being out
I just want to add one more point.
If We do vote to stay the EU then we should push the time table for a United States of Europe forward, and become a leading voice in the push, so rather than sliding it in through the back door (as it is happening now), we should be demanding a written constitution, free elections of all the government branches of this Union,( something we dont have now), and making sure that the workings elected Government is totally open and transparent, ( again something we dont have now)
Regardless of how you intend to vote, I urge every one who can vote , to vote, as this will probably be the last chance we the "Public" get to decide because, if we leave now they wont let us rejoin, and if we stay we will have to abide by the new rule changes that will make it increasing harder to leave
and remember the choice you make is going to be the for your children and grandchildren
Thats it Rant over,
Heres the link I mentioned
~amoravcs/library/federalism.pdf
I forgot to mention Voting out will cause some short term problems, But it is my belief that in the long term Britain will be better off as an Independent nation So Im voting out,
Jimmy5IA: Are you talking about the French now? Are they paddling in the channel again?
Too right - They and Germans come here and do their shopping as its cheaper and think the places are there own. They don't like being reminded that we live here and they are f in visitors so there are more than verbal disagreements at times.
The illegals come to Dover all the time and have been coming in on the beaches at night at St Margaret's bay near Dover and Pegwell Bay, Ramsgate for so many years.
The so called border agency Customs and Police all knew and let it happen. They have been and are doing F all because of EU law and we should get pout for that reason alone
MikeD12: Too right - They and Germans come here and do their shopping as its cheaper and think the places are there own. They don't like being reminded that we live here and they are f in visitors so there are more than verbal disagreements at times.
The illegals come to Dover all the time and have been coming in on the beaches at night at St Margaret's bay near Dover and Pegwell Bay, Ramsgate for so many years.
The so called border agency Customs and Police all knew and let it happen. They have been and are doing F all because of EU law and we should get pout for that reason alone
The illegals come to Dover all the time and have been coming in on the beaches at night at St Margaret's bay near Dover and Pegwell Bay, Ramsgate for so many years.
The so called border agency Customs and Police all knew and let it happen. They have been and are doing F all because of EU law and we should get pout for that reason alone
Maybe border patrol mistake these foreign pests for dolphins or small whales as it´s dark at night, or seals too.
Jimmy5IA: Maybe border patrol mistake these foreign pests for dolphins or small whales as it´s dark at night, or seals too.
Yeah - Now why didn't I think of that - a good neo-Political get out that Sham Moron and his other traitors would think of - Rule Britannia
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We were dking just fab before we ever joined the E.U, and have been going downhill ever since! Although we'd like to come out now, we cant, because its all fixed via corruption with the powrrs that be who are part of running "The Globallist Agendas"!! So please do some homework and see what that is to get the picture!!
So now we all have lovely plays and debates on this issue but sorry the outcome is already fixed come what may!!
The most basic of democracy is out the window and that is before anyother consideration of the EU comes into it.
It is becoming a dirty fight and even media keep some people out Nigel Farage whos word has been the same since long before referendum was thought up. That is sad mapnipulation even fro some Media We will see I it will be out vote I feel it in my water