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Millionaire Stuart Wheeler has won his battle to force a High Court review into whether the government should hold a referendum on the EU's Lisbon treaty.

The hearing will be on 9 and 10 June. The Foreign Office said they were "confident" of their case.

If this fails then this is the only Country in the EU that will vote on it. It needs all Countries to agree on this or it does not go through.

We are voting in Ireland on this soon and from what I can see we have been fed a lot of misinformation from both "sides" of the debate.

I am wondering if anyone is taking any interest in the ratification of this Treaty and how it will affect us in the future. It is basically 95% the same legislation that was turned down by the Dutch and the French already.
It seems that if we pass this, then it is in place for everyone in the EU permanently, and if we don't then it has to be changed and voted on again here.

Is there anyone who has an interest in this "EU Constitution" and how it will change things for all of us now and well into the future?

I will bump this once and see if anyone has any interest in it.

I have been reading and studying the Treaty and it really is a a lot of information to digest. The one aspect which bothers me most is the Militarisation of the EU and that these decisons can be taken by a very small group of people at the centre of power.

It now looks like the No vote is gaining ground quickly with between 8 to 10% separating the two sides now.

If this continues it will prevent the Treaty going through for all of the EU and will have to be re-written and voted on again here, probably in about three years.

I havent really had time to look into it Patrick. What are the main issues and didnt Gordon Browne already sign it for us lot?

Gordon Browne's decision is being challenged and you may also have a referendum on this in the future.

It is a complex document requiring some 3,000 other pages to understand it, so not much chance for the average lay person there. I have been researching and studying it as much as I possibly can and firstly if we vote Yes and there is no Referendum in the UK then it is signed and sealed for all of the EU permanently.

Although the name has been changed it is still basically the EU Constitution. The most troubling aspects for myself is the placement of total power in particular to do with Defence and the Military in such few hands.

The other thing that really makes me wonder is the total lack of knowledge people have about this very important document and most Governments pushing it through without asking the electorate.

This is rewritten every time it is refused, so far the French and Dutch Governments have rejected a document which was 95-97% similar to this. There is also a trail of "sweetheart" deals being done with "difficult" member states leaders, our own Bertie Aherne being led to believe that he would be the next leader of the EU (Recently had to resign as corruption charges began to pile up!)

I am continuing to research it Trish but what I am finding is that although there are some good aspects to it, faster decision making etc, there are also disturbing aspects to it as well.

"The French president, Nicolas Sarkozy will take over the EU's rotating presidency in July for six months. which will provide him with an opportunity to progress his ambition to move Europe towards full militarisation."

Laraine Mullally Open Europe

This could be a good thing or a bad one, but it needs to be discussed and not bullied on us as is happening here for the last few weeks.

I read up a bit when I noticed your post but as you say, it is a massive document - I was pretty apalled when I saw what Brown had done too but thats just parr for the course with politicians.

I did notice one bit which said that if a million votes were collected in protest then a ruling could be overturned but I think that was referring to things other than this actual treaty

As you know, Ive been really busy but I will make a point of looking further into this in the next few days - can you recommend a site?

I will mail you links Trish. There is a lot of politicing going on on a lot of the web-sites so I try to steer clear of the biased ones. This one is Based in London and although new to me I keep discovering it as a source of some of the most clear-minded and un-biased writers so far.



http://www.openeurope.org.uk/

It seems that The US is far from keen on this treaty, their reasons though are highly questionable. I have only found sites there that basically say that this is a communist take over of Europe.

This is a difficult subject and takes a lot of reading and research but I feel we should know about it.

Perhaps the most sinister thing regarding the whole EU project is we now have the very military style Europol based on our shores, which coupled with their right to over-rule our own police force, should be enough to give anyone the shivers. They are apparently armed specialists in crowd/riot control, wonder if they would be used to quell any dissent or demand for a referendum?. Of course its all done for YOUR protection.....

I agree, it should be got 'out there' I will have a read around soon but am busy till after tomorrow again........ and as you say, it is a detailed document.

The US are probably dubious about it cos they cant make any money from it

It's not so much that but a close ally of Sarkozy has talked about setting up a 60,000 strong EU "intervention force" and that such a small group (27 people) seem to have absolute power over our Military policies.

I don't believe for a second that the EU is about to invade somewhere, but as I have said elsewhere, we have seen several Dictators rise out of Europe time and time again.

The EU wont need to invade anywhere, as it will control the western nations in a way that neither Adolph or Joe Stalin could only dream of. Its agenda becomes clearer by the day, and so do the motives of some ultra powerful moguls out there who have pencilled themselves in for very senior positions within it. Though I have to say I am not against a true union of European peoples, trading and cooperating with each other, but the EU project is nothing more than a dictatorship which was designed to destroy soverign states and nationhood in preparation for a one world government, aided and abetted by shadowy evil organisations like Common Purpose.

One World Government? It might be the best thing yet! The progression of politics from Tribal Villages to larger and larger areas of land has been going on a long time with a lot of bumps on the way. I do believe that the EU was set up with real idealism. We have seen Communism mostly fall, It too an ideal based on sharing, Now this type of socialism. I really have to think that it is possible that we are learning from past mistakes.

I looked at Common Purpose but was not really convinced by it. And your mention of Stalin and Adolph is always something we have to remember.

I just wish I could see what the blueprint for the EU is projected as far as they are thinking. It all too often feels like I am at the bottom of the food chain when it comes to questions like these.

I do really feel that One World government could be a long long way off.

We are one day away from voting on this Treaty and it still is a very tight race.

1% of the EU deciding for 100% of the EU is an argument used by both sides to fortify their position.

I am interested in your views on this Treaty as it could well be true that we are deciding the future of the EU for you as well.