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phoenix paris, Ile-de-France France
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Move to allow Catholic monarch

Thursday, 25 September 2008

Plans to end the 300-year-long ban on Roman Catholics taking the throne and on eldest daughters succeeding as monarch are being seriously considered by Downing Street, it was reported today.

The Guardian said the constitutional reforms were included in proposals drawn up for Prime Minister Gordon Brown by Labour MP Chris Bryant.

According to the newspaper, which has long campaigned for the changes, the Government would like to see them implemented quickly if Labour won a fourth term at the next general election.

Legislation including the 1701 Act of Settlement bars all Catholics and anyone married to a Catholic from reigning and forces any monarch coming to the throne to reject Catholicism.

The proposals also include limiting the powers of the privy council, in particular its role as arbiter in disputes between Scotland or Wales and the UK government.

The plans were drafted by Chris Bryant, the MP who was charged by Gordon Brown with reviewing the constitution. They are with the prime minister's new adviser on the constitution, Wilf Stevenson.

Sources said No 10 would like the legislation to be passed quickly in a fourth term and Bryant briefed constitutional pressure groups on the plans at a private seminar in Manchester this week.

Ministers have long thought it anomalous that it is unlawful for a Catholic to be monarch but have not had the political will to risk reforming the law.

The 1688 Bill of Rights , the Act of Settlement in 1701 and Act of Union in 1707 - reinforced by the provisions of the Coronation Oath Act 1688 - effectively excluded Catholics or their spouses from the succession and provided for the Protestant succession.

Neither Catholics nor those who marry them nor those born to them out of wedlock may be in the line of succession.

The law also requires the monarch on accession to make before parliament a declaration rejecting Catholicism.

Though the Act of Settlement remains a cornerstone of the British constitution, critics have long argued about its relevance in the 21st century, saying it institutionalises religious discrimination and male primogeniture.
Conrad73 Lonesome Town Zurich, Zrich Switzerland
How is that Title:"Defender Of The Faith" gonna work out?dunno



pat123 london, Outer London, England UK
why not,surely now adays everyone is supposed to be equal



no1brightongirl brighton, East Sussex, England UK
as religion doesnt matter to people as it used to,why does britain still have such outdated ideas,they want and need to move into the real world



lisalee1960 st pauls, Majjistral Malta
britain gives other religions more rights than its homegrown religions nowadays,im sorry to say



romy999 london, Outer London, England UK
sad that there is still a stigma directed at catholicism, by the establishment in the uk., its time they moved forwards, what an interesting thread!beer



tinaferrara gozo, Gozo Malta
not only that but the cathoilic faith was the original faith of britain



no1brightongirl brighton, East Sussex, England UK
suprising,that only ladies and conrad,always the gent have contributed to this thread.i too find it an interesting subject



JamesPond West Lothian, Lothian, Scotland UK
Interesting thread.

I would be curious to see how the people of Scotland (mainly the men) react to this idea. As everyone knows, bigotry is Scotlands shame.

The two big football clubs in Glasgow are only the stature they are today because of these out-dated religious beliefs that continue to get drummed into youngsters who then carry those beliefs into adulthood who in turn complete the cycle by drumming these beliefs into the youngsters when they are adults.

I dont want to take focus of the thread away from the original post, like I say, I would be interested to see how the idea gets received up here. Especially in the West Coast.



phoenix paris, Ile-de-France France
JamesPond: Interesting thread.

I would be curious to see how the people of Scotland (mainly the men) react to this idea. As everyone knows, bigotry is Scotlands shame.

The two big football clubs in Glasgow are only the stature they are today because of these out-dated religious beliefs that continue to get drummed into youngsters who then carry those beliefs into adulthood who in turn complete the cycle by drumming these beliefs into the youngsters when they are adults.

I dont want to take focus of the thread away from the original post, like I say, I would be interested to see how the idea gets received up here. Especially in the West Coast.


The real bigotry lies in Buck House....



JamesPond West Lothian, Lothian, Scotland UK
What is the point in having a King and/or Queen anyway?




phoenix paris, Ile-de-France France
JamesPond: What is the point in having a King and/or Queen anyway?


I don't know..

I grew up in the North of Ireland (Belfast)...And it's a lot like Scotland with the religious divide split along the same lines..And I would like to know how 'they' (bigots on both sides) feel about a Catholic King/Queen...

kushtibok Totnes, Devon, England UK
just get rid of kings and queens - and religion too - they're a sign of immaturity



silverfox bangor, Gwynedd, Wales UK
not gowing there tongue
mike1937 Broadstairs, Kent, England UK
silverfox: not gowing there


You say it all methinks beer and I will drink to that cheers again
Mike angel the shitehawk
Angel_Diva wales, South Glamorgan, Wales UK
no Gb religon was 1st pagan...only the romans came up with the idea of a christain faith so they had some to throw at the lions.....

sorry history buff in the house...

we have in this old country of mine that everyone hates but stills either lives here or comes to live here.....

have a Queen because we want one....

i dont what god she serves coz we are all equal in his eyes......




phoenix paris, Ile-de-France France
Angel_Diva: no Gb religon was 1st pagan...only the romans came up with the idea of a christain faith so they had some to throw at the lions.....

sorry history buff in the house...

we have in this old country of mine that everyone hates but stills either lives here or comes to live here.....

have a Queen because we want one....

i dont what god she serves coz we are all equal in his eyes......



I'll come back to you later...But very quickly in England maybe but Not in Scotland or Wales and Ireland..I studied history to...



tinaferrara gozo, Gozo Malta
i dont think being religious makes you a bigot,but the celtic/rangers sort of people,wouldnt want to agree on anything religious or otherwise,think there prob is,they like being against each other
Seabiscuit Plymouth, Devon, England UK
Religion is the source of all evil in the world, just bin it off I say..

As for the point of having a king or Queen.. Well, it's what makes Britain, Great Britain. The most popular monarchy in the world. Just think of the amount of money the country would lose through tourism if we abolished it..



no1brightongirl brighton, East Sussex, England UK
i agree with that and the countrys that dont have a king and queen,most often wish they did




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