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I agree -1984 is here - Government authorities have enough information on the indigenous population since birth regardless of race.

Those of us with a service record and living are also still on an official record with the relkevant service docs section unless the careless privatised bastards who are now responsible for such confidential records instead of proper well trained and vetted civil servants have lost those as well and its been *covered up* via spin & sleaze puss heads.

Official recording goes further at school, further education, Work, Nat Iins contributions, Tax, Banks, Building Societies, NHS Patient number registry, Pensions and Death therefore introduction of ID cards for everyone is invalid and I for one will refuse to pay for one or have yet another number.


to all rebels from Winston Smith

Shitehawk

heres to you mike! a man after my own heart, it makes me sick, why dont the bureaucrats make life easy and just microchip us all, like cats and dogs, then they could keep track of us 24/7...but hey they are already doing that!

romy you have brains as well as beauty and mike i agree,its a load of rubbish,what a shit world we live in

The idea of ID cards is shocking, what's more shocking is that when they first proposed the idea (that I'm aware of) they were saying that it would be compulsory to have one yet we would have to pay for it! Feck right off! I . pay enough in tax and NI every year to merit a little bit of privacy I think..

The other crap the yessers come out with is that if we have nothing to hide we have nothing to fear which is utter bollocks - It is yet another attempt to 'control' us all and use against us, as simple as that like the Gestapo did with the German people after 1933 when Hitler became chancellor and Stalin did when he was I/C and butchered the Ukranians.

The mealy mouthed two faced bastards who advocated it in this government all know that.

Maybe we should hold a poll on this issue as well as the one I started and see what others views are. - We seem against it unanimously so far and it would be interesting to see the percentagds of how many sit on the fence comared wth those ignoring mine.

Islalee - You started the thread so how about it ?
Respect
Mike

identity is very important
identity cards is a must
opening a bank account/travel/job search/country of residence/place of birth/dhss/unemployment benefits/voting rights/
building societies/taxes/pension rights/
but what of those who hold two nationalities working in the uk?
staying in two countries and have bank accounts on both places
but have the views of the english,scottish,welsh,irish,british and then
of those of foreigners working in the uk,

i am never sure if ben is for real or not,is this said tongue in cheek,surely?

I said my piece and refuse to accept what is said by non indigenous persons FOR ID cards and for the reasons I gave. If others come here withdual nationality they are welcome and that is their affair and a totally different matter

What others do if forced by any YOU MUST comply political crap hats and miscellaneous know all puss heads who can't think for themselves is their business.

If *authorities* want to check me or any *indigenous born* person out they can already do so officially including criminal records if any- from birth to death.

FOR THE RECORD - I have already officially stated to authorities and the POLICE at public meetings that the *only* ID card I will EVER accept and be willing to carry and present to them and them ONLY is my RAF 1250, re-issued with my service Number National plus Insurance No Driving licence number and address added and will NOT pay for it under any circumstance.

I will fight to death over my rights to say that and keep to it.
Under REAL Military interrogation procedures in 1957 the job I was engaged on meant I was vetted to a very high security level and in case of capture I like others on my squadron only divulged name rank and number when pressed for 4 days 24/7 with no sleep or food and would do so NOW.

Does *that* sink in?

No further comment

Maybe it is'nt.
What Mike said about people who think that if they do nothing wrong,they have nothing to worry about,comes closest to what i have thought,for ages.
I am not bothered,if BB watches me pop into ASDA for some bread rolls.
Or watches me wander into the 'Dog&Duck,for a swift half.
But i DO feel more reassured,that i am less likely to get assaulted in the town centre,with all those cameras watching out for anyone who so much as drops chewy on the pavement.

I hope it was being said tongue in cheek - heres a bit of the reality of it - theres a lot more too........

Unchecked executive powers #
Broad delegated power #
The Home Office seeks wide discretion over the future shape of the scheme. There are more than 30 types of regulatory power for future Secretaries of State that would change the functions and content of the system ad lib. The scope, application and possible extension are extra-parliamentary decisions, even if nominally subject to approval.

Presumption of accuracy #
Data entered onto the National Identity Register (NIR) is arbitrarily presumed to be accurate, and the Home Secretary made a judge of accuracy of information provided to him. Meanwhile, the Home Office gets the power to enter information without informing the individual. But theres no duty to ensure that such data is accurate, or criterion of accuracy. Personal identity is implicitly made wholly subject to state control.

Compulsion by stealth #
Even during the so-called "voluntary phase", the Home Secretary can add any person to the Register without their consent, and categories of individuals might be compelled selectively to register using powers under any future legislation. Anyone newly applying for a passport or other "designated document", or renewing an existing one, will automatically have to be interviewed and submit all required details. This is less a phased introduction than a clandestine one. There is to be no choice. And the minimum of notice to the public about the change in the handling of their registrable information.

Limited oversight #
As proposed, the National Identity Scheme Commissioner would have very limited powers and is excluded from considering a number of key issues. He does not even report directly to Parliament. The reliance on administrative penalties means severe punishments may be inflicted without judicial process. The onus is on the individual to seek relief from the courts, at a civil standard of proof. Those who most require the protection of a fair trial are the least likely to be able to resort to legal action.

Individuals managed by executive order #
Without reference to the courts or any appeals process, the Home Secretary may cancel or require surrender of an identity card, without a right of appeal, at any time. Given that the object of the scheme is that an ID card will be eventually required to exercise any ordinary civil function, this amounts to granting the Home Secretary the power of civic life and death.

The National Identity Register creates specific new threats to individuals #

Discrimination—no guarantees #
There have been vapid "assurances" made to some minority groups. That underlines the potential for threat. The system offers a ready-made police-state tool for a future government less trustworthy than the current one. A Home Secretary could create classifications of individuals to be registered as he sees fit, introducing onerous duties backed by severe penalties for fractions of the population. Religious or ethnic affiliation, for example, could be added to the Register by regulation—or be inferred by cross-referencing other information using a National Identity Register Number or associated data.

"Papers, please" #
ID cards in practice would provide a pretext for those in authority—public or private—to question individuals who stand out for reasons of personal appearance or demeanour. This is likely to exacerbate divisions in society. The Chairman of the Bar Council has asked, "is there not a great risk that those who feel at the margins of society—the somewhat disaffected—will be driven into the arms of extremists?"

Third party abuse #
The requirement that all those registered notify all changes in details risks creating the means of tracking and persecution through improper use of the database. A variety of persons have good reason to conceal their identity and whereabouts; for example: those fleeing domestic abuse; victims of "honour" crimes; witnesses in criminal cases; those at risk of kidnapping; undercover investigators; refugees from oppressive regimes overseas; those pursued by the press; those who may be terrorist targets. The seizure of ID cards (like benefit-books and passports now) will become a means for extortion by gangsters.

Lost identity, becoming an un-person #
By making ordinary life dependent on the reliability of a complex administrative system, the scheme makes myriad small errors potentially catastrophic. There's no hint from the government how it will deal with inevitably large numbers of mis-identifications and errors, or deliberate attacks on or corruption of what would become a critical piece of national infrastructure. A failure in any part of the system at a check might deny a person access to his or her rights or property or to public services, with no immediate solution or redress—"license to live" withdrawn.


taken from; http://www.no2id.net/IDSchemes/whyNot.php
theres a lot omore of this stuff there.......

I would love to be able to agree or dissagree with you but I'm fecked if I know what you just said..

i dont wish to sound rude,but what ben is saying to me,is nonsense and doesnt even answer the thread,i am never sure if some of his posts,threads are a wind up,i have asked him before,but not understood his answers

Yes Id cards are good...very good.....I'm for Id cards....

i think we need too...


it would help me remeber who i am....i forget its old age with me

Yeah - Love it Angel

Even they wouldnt help me, I make shopping lists and promptly lose em, set timers and forget to press the activate button; often stand there scratching my bonce wondering what I went into a particular room for; dont even mention keys or timetables and for some peculiar reason, whenever I go on the hunt for something Ive lost, I find whatever it was I lost the time before ID cards would only add to my confusion

oh and me,then we would be charged for that,we will have to watch mike,hes turning into quite a flirt