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You are missing the point - I think Eric and I are both making the same points but differently.
As he rightly said, successive governments have shut all the older facilitites down and in most cases have sold the properties off to developers for huge profits that have NOT been re-invested in social needs.

The ONLY way for the ordinary folk like us now will PROBABLY be to form vigilante groups because the police have been rendedred powerless by the legal system decided and influenced by politicians in the cabinets.

Politicians of all parties spout hot air but do NOTHING while they are in parliament and repeat the performance again after they get re-elected. They are only in it for the money and corruption if they can get away with it and they are.

When caught I still say the bullet and quicklime is the cheapest way to finalise all proven murderers, Paedophiles and child killers.
Why should I as a tax paying penshioner withg no criminal or debt record fund their luxury lifestyle in the jails?

ALL the people who covered up Baby P should be facing automatic manslaughter sentences with NO TRIAL, with hard labour for 12 years and no remission. If that were in place as a deterrent ALL the parasites involved in this case would have to make bloody sure they did their jobs properly.

i do agree with a lot of what you are saying but the point im making is that if we start with vigilante nonsense it becomes all consuming and most people get hell bent on revenge and forget what it all started with.

I know your right and the children come first and we should stop this from happening , but like others im just so angry and these children are loosing their life`s and those that took that life should pay with their`s

Thank you mike im not very good at this your right we are thinking the same way

that would be too easy for them...............

IMO you have not said at any time what your solution IS or could be.

Whatever objectors to the stataus quo collectively did, it still HAS to start with massive protests and even civil disobedience perhaps by people acting in large groups and marching in protest for change on parliament and the aims made clear.

Such gropups would automatically get the tag vigilante by the politically correct and the New Labour establishment.
They have succeded in turning protest and objection at official meetings (New Labour conferences) into potential illegal behaviour by trying to stifle free speach already, so it would have to be organised covertly and sprung on the authorites which would be said to be a vigilante exercise.

Here is something that you may like to discuss - The news was released 1 hour ago
It looks like the social serviuces legal department has sufficient power to stop the Government report thet has been demanded on our behalf and that we all should be able to read. That CANNOT be right in a so called democratic state and its time the law was changed.

[Baby P review will not be released
1 hour ago

The Government has refused to release a detailed report into the mistakes made by authorities in the Baby P case.

A serious case review was carried out after the little boy died in a blood-splattered cot in Haringey, north London, in August last year.

He had suffered more than 50 injuries at the hands of his abusive mother, her boyfriend and a lodger despite repeated visits by the authorities.

A 15-page summary of the serious case review was published at the end of an Old Bailey trial last week.

But the Information Commissioner has ruled that the full report cannot be made available to opposition MPs because of the risk of identifying the professionals involved, the House of Commons has heard.

There are fears that releasing reports might lead to professionals who make mistakes in child welfare refusing to co-operate with serious case reviews, MPs were told.

Shadow children's secretary Michael Gove acknowledged that Children's Secretary Ed Balls had his hands tied and called for a change to the law.

He asked Mr Balls: "Does he not agree with me that it is quite wrong to put the interests of a bureaucracy which has failed ahead of proper scrutiny?"

The Children's Secretary replied: "I endeavoured to see yesterday whether I was able to release the full confidential serious case review to Parliamentarians.

"But the clear professional advice to me was that would be the wrong thing to do, both given the ruling of the Information Commissioner but also the importance of making sure that in future serious case reviews are done properly." ]

as long as no violence was involved i would be more than happy to support action of that sort. and i agree that you cannot stifle free speech...................im not really interested in politics at all so im not going to talk about it and pretend i know what im talking about. but i think the responsibility for child welfare lies on everyones shoulders. i would like to see health visitors going back to the way they used to be, and with more powers to be able to call on people whenever they felt the need. also the local communities of these kids need to stand up and be counted and have some sort of organisation within communities where people can go for help and advice.

Re 1. If you read how all major political changes have been made throughout our political history back to Magna Carta which you should have been taight about at school IMO you would be well aaware that historically the government of the day only acted after the use of violence by he masses.

Even votes for women you enjoy now and freedom to NOT be interested in politics were actually fought for and won in the early 20th century by some degree of violence after the sufragettes were attecked by so called *men* who opposed them so they HAD to fight back and I say good on them.

Thepowers that be will tell you it is already in exsistance -
It's called social services and unless there is a national protest it will NOT be changed, so here we go round the bloody mulberry bush again and they are so powerful they can even silence the governmet report through the legal system -

THAT HAS TO CHANGE and will need force to do it - The bastards in this government are not listening to the people this time and we were NOT given the full facts on the Ian Huntey child murders case, the Victoria Clambi'e case or WMD in IRAQ either.

yes i agree to a certain extent, but there is a difference between needing to fight and doing it because you can. was it not violence that brought us the sorrow we feel for the little boy, who had his life snatched so evily from him?
i as a mother would fight tooth and nail and anything i had to, to protect my children but i also feel that violence breeds violence.

we wont bring back hanging because our politicians and judges also the courts are too bloody soft on crime

Agreed and what is more - they and the esteblishment *authortities* have been actively trying to stop anyone from advocating and successfully achieving a national referendum on the matter for years, through the manipulation of Propaganda mechanics in order to maintain control over the masses.

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