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i see, thanks for your answer. so it's the way she implemented her policies at a time when british industry was being dictated to by unelected parasites that annoys you most about her. i thought she rid Great Britain of the vice like grip of unelected unions and updated/replaced outdated industries...

so yours is a no vote. thanks for the insight.

i see billrox...so the government should subsidize unprofitable industries and owes everybody a house?....what do you mean..?

if only they were built on gold mines instead of coal mines

I see you are teacher not used to being challenged by real trades poeople. Get your facts right before you shoot your mouth off at me and do some REAL research - I was working on development projects before you were a spunk bubble in your fathers ball bag.

For your information - The Tories were known for *planting* people at junior/middle management level to deliberately stir up trouble in places where there was none to further their cause against the shop floor. -

All the skilled trades people who suffered under Thatchers regime were NOT militant trades unionists and she knew that - She killed us off as well and that is what ruined our manufacturing base. -

For instance - I worked for Hilger & Watts which was a scientific intsrument manufacturing company mentioned in the same sentence as Leicht, Carl Zeiss and Libermann & Gortz from 1969-75 in charge of the Crystallography & special products workshops. - The firm was a family firm which had several factories in the UK and had never ever had any strikes in over 120 years at any site. They recognised trades unions with whom they had good relationships.

Rank Organistion (The American company) owned Hilger by then and planted deliberately, an ex BLMC personnel manager there and within 4 months he had upset everyone including top management there and we ALL went out on a 1 day token strike in 1975 - I later volunteered for reduncancy and with my payment I set up in self employment as a sole trader working from my workshop at home and in a rented premises for larger projects.

That was before Thatcher, when Heath was in so we knew that it was their intention to cause havoc in ALL skilled trades as early as that. She continued to do what was Tory party intention in the first instance and it is on record that neither Heath nor she never listened to the moderates even in their own party. - Read some of the Aviation Industry historical reports and they never had trouble either until the agitators were *planted*

I have never been nor will I ever be told by any bloody parasite teacher or sales prat what to do. - FYI - I also have a training and instructors certificate in my trade which, when Heath quashed the employers £10 per week training grants over night, all the trainees in the training school where we did part time lecturing were got rid of. There were also no more apprentices taken on after thay finished their time - Ity happened in all trades. That meant I and three other instructors lost nearly 20% of our wages over that so don't tell me it was the trades unions who fucked our industries.

Now we have skilled tradespeople shortages due to the lack of apprentices.

Wind your fucking neck in - The answer is NO

well if we are talking stupid why noy snow white and the 7 dwarfs could replace the lions and lets not forget donald duck and mickey mouse they too were a figment of the imagination,think thats where this thread idea came from

the leisure

U know im NOT welsh but ive been here 30 odd years....even i wouldnt insult the welsh......

welsh gold is pure gold....

ur idea...is the crap that surrounds the welsh gold......sometimes u have to wade through crap to get to the good stuff....

The main reason I would be against it is that my Dad nearly died in Falklands... A war which she could have prevented had she pulled her finger out

best reason i heard so far....

for your information i was working in the steel industry during the thatcher years....and i haven't insulted you at all.


i personally invite you to wind my fucking neck in for me.

No - You insulted the whole of our manufacturing base as I saw it with generalised comments about trades unions domniating what went on in BRITISH industry when Thatcher came to power.

That is EXACTLY what the propaganda machine wanted everyone to believe then and even now. - What I said can be proved. I was a trade uinionist at the sharp end and like others in the AUEW and the ASTMS at that time and aven in the Musicians Union we all saw documents to prove it along with forged documents and photos of known Tory party members who were infiltrators with links to the then
National Socialist party, now, the BNP.

OK - Decking you would be no bother if we met face to face with my service training - especially if you blamed trades unions *at me* !! - It came in handy two weeks ago when an Albanian thief trid to rob me at a cash machine in Cliftonville as they are takling Panshioners - I left the bastard in agony after 5 seconds, without using my fists and got praisid by members of the public as I walked back to my car- Even the police have to go there in threes in daylight now - Whan you can find them !!

I will give you my address OFF list IF you have the guts.

Mike, get your hand out of your arse fella! Getting fed up of it, everytime someone gives an opinion you dive down their throat.. Wheres the good old fella gone? Bring him back!!

As for - Decking you would be no bother if we met face to face with my service training - Behave yourself

however much i would love to watch you attempt to deck me,however hilarious that would be and however yobbish you want to behave, you should just wake up to reality...you are an old man with a big mouth hiding behind a computer. you are nothing more than a wannabe big mouth yobbo with illusions of self importance. your computer gives you a voice but fuck me...do we really have to listen to it???

guys guys.....we all have opinions and they are all differant its what makes the world go round.

but please can we NOT swear on here....many ladies read these posts and although i can swear for wales in my own home id rather not read it on here. Its not funny not clever and to be honest shows a lack of education asu all seem to find it hard to find the rite word instead u have to swear.

As for decking each other...take it from someone who knows...on another site i had a go at my ex...to the point where he then threatened me by phone to punch me one and hurt me....i had to have the police out to my home...where upon i was told i had insited him and could be arrested for it.....( i said id Bit***slap him)

so be careful when making threats coz u could all end up on the wrong side of the law.

I got away with a warning to delete said comment and not to do it again...i felt really stupid being told off by a coper young enough to be my son....im 48 years old...how is that.

So gus...do Angel and the ladies a favour...off line ur rows if ya must but

please QUIT SWEARING

thanks

i apologize for swearing....i don't usually do that...in my opinion appealling to the frailties of women is funny...you are not being serious, i take...but still, i shouldn't let the fact i have been sworn at and insulted so much by such a hidious pillock lure me into likewise behaviour...it was wrong of me to use that word....sometimes it's hard to find another. i am sorry if i caused offence.

mike ,this is a forum not battle of little big horn.as a man of integrity and wit you seem to be going off tangent, i appreciate these young guns have a democratic view of opinion ,but as we were there at the time nothing absolutly nothing can dispute the fact of history
just calm down

Part's of this thread are a disgrace Guiriman created a thread and was debating in a reasonable manner until he was attacked.

I agree with Angel that all the swearing is out of place on a forum ...also I don't like all the threatening of violence just because someone has a different opinion.

A to Guiriman to make him feel better

thank you Zella ...that is exactly what i did....i don't think it would be a good idea to put up a statue of Maggie Thatcher in place of Nelson...but hey guys..it said, debating forum on the lid

If they think they have problems now cleaning the pigeon poo off of Nelsons Column, then they wont know whats hit em cleaning the rotten fruit and eggs off a statue of maggie, no matter where they placed it..............

as for a "square of Economic Prosperity" in her honour, I think a square dedicated to the day she was ousted may be a better idea.......

OK - Apologies to the ladies for swearring

Guiriman - I apologise - I should NOt have risn to the bait having heard the crap for the last nearly 30 years.

Fact remains that I *am* not bullshitting, still fit enough to do what I did to weeks ago through training, which never leaves us, and those of us still fit enough can use it on anyone regardless of who they are, if they make the move first to steal our money at any cash machine in the street as it is defence and I will take the consequiences - Thate have been none.

Cliftonville now is full of such muggers and thieves, prostitution and drug rackets which is why those of us who have lived here most of our lives HAVE to do somthing - The police are tied witrh one hand behind their back and they are hera courtesy of know politicians who own the propereties they live in and that has been the case fotr over 15 years now!!

This - as you say is a dating thing - I am off for good as there is too much political crap and irrelevant nonsense - I think Beenabout had a point.

Good bye

Did anyone else sence that coming?

Shame Mike, your a decent fella just obviously can't accept others opinions.

Wish you all the best though mate