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sxc666 Central Coast, New South Wales Australia
phaedellis: Ok really feel like SHIT now am upset, depressed, and feel like a good cry so ill see ya all later
hug comfort teddybear
kismat national park, Waikato New Zealand
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phaedellis Brisbane, Queensland Australia

Ok Im alright now am over it, might go to the bar and drown my sorrows thanks for the hugs Kis and sxcc needed those tonighthug teddybear straight back at ya guys



phaedellis Brisbane, Queensland Australia

Ok Im alright now am over it, might go to the bar and drown my sorrows thanks for the hugs Kis and sxcc needed those tonighthug teddybear straight back at ya guys



pauljb72 wollongong, New South Wales Australia
phaedellis: Ok Im alright now am over it, might go to the bar and drown my sorrows thanks for the hugs Kis and sxcc needed those tonight straight back at ya guys
smitten phae
JASON656 MACKAY, Queensland Australia
Ralf74: Cheers Paul

My arguement is that none of us were there and maybe it was some stupid off the cuff remark. I have a 12 yr old who is extremely immature and I am sure he would have no problem (not that he has) crawling into my bed if maybe if he was having nightmares or was scared. Maybe it was a comment, though badly thought out, describing a situation like that. I don't know, I wasn't there and as I said, only Phae can be the judge of that. Yet we are all so critical about a scenario we know nothing about. Imagine if you were this man and you had done nothing wrong and suddenly you are labelled a pedophile, your own family writes you off, your neighbourhood starts abusing you wanting you to leave and your kids are removed from your care. He may just be a loving father, doing what he thinks is right for his children. Are we all model parents??? I don't think so.
I have a 3 yr old that loves climbing into my bed with me and going to sleep.I always make sure I have pants on and my daughter has never ever seen me naked nor will I allow that.I don't think any child or member of your own family should see or feel your private parts.as far as my daughter knows my body looks like hers.Having sex with a child or any member of your family is JUST PLAIN WRONG and there is no ifs or buts about it.
Children are our nations precious resource and we should protect and guide them towards the rights and wrongs.
On the flip side though,the government says they are getting out of control,so they have the solution....authorities should go softer on them and make ALL children Above the law.
JMPOV. Jason



aberfoyle Coffs Harbour, New South Wales Australia
Sorry this thread ended out being turned around onto you Phae. sigh

You were the only person here who was party to that conversation, so you are the only person who can say whether or not you feel you could have, should have, may yet do something, or may not.

People need to realize that child abuse is not cut and dried. There are so many different types of abuse, and on top of that there are so many different ways of showing affection that can be easily missread too.

We live in a multi cultural society where everyone has a different way about doing things.

I know as a kid, I always had one particular uncle that used to kiss his nieces on the lips...eewwww yuck....but that was just him....no child abuse, just a disgusting habit.


Once the finger of child abuse is pointed, it is a stigma that the whole family have to live with...and if the finger was pointed in error, rest assured no-one from Docs will be apologising to them.

Accusing people of child abuse is not something you dive into without giving plenty of thought too.

I know because I have been on the receiving end of abuse by a family member....but it comes down to he said / she said. And believe me no body wins. There are very few cases that are so obvious that action can justifiably be taken.

Yes our kids need to be protected....but tread carefully whilst doing it...good people can be hurt along the way. thumbs up



phaedellis Brisbane, Queensland Australia
aberfoyle: Sorry this thread ended out being turned around onto you Phae.

You were the only person here who was party to that conversation, so you are the only person who can say whether or not you feel you could have, should have, may yet do something, or may not.

People need to realize that child abuse is not cut and dried. There are so many different types of abuse, and on top of that there are so many different ways of showing affection that can be easily missread too.

We live in a multi cultural society where everyone has a different way about doing things.

I know as a kid, I always had one particular uncle that used to kiss his nieces on the lips...eewwww yuck....but that was just him....no child abuse, just a disgusting habit.Once the finger of child abuse is pointed, it is a stigma that the whole family have to live with...and if the finger was pointed in error, rest assured no-one from Docs will be apologising to them.

Accusing people of child abuse is not something you dive into without giving plenty of thought too.

I know because I have been on the receiving end of abuse by a family member....but it comes down to he said / she said. And believe me no body wins. There are very few cases that are so obvious that action can justifiably be taken.

Yes our kids need to be protected....but tread carefully whilst doing it...good people can be hurt along the way.


Thanks Mate, yep copped abit of a hiding in here yesterday, but i did wat i thought was best, and now its up to them to take the matter further or not, at least i know Sach really well and she will keep me informed hopefully bout wat is/will happen if anything thumbs up
Twodawgz melbourne, Victoria Australia
phaedellis: Thanks Mate, yep copped abit of a hiding in here yesterday, but i did wat i thought was best, and now its up to them to take the matter further or not, at least i know Sach really well and she will keep me informed hopefully bout wat is/will happen if anything


Hey Phea you did receive a batteringhug but hey you stepped up and delivered..lips lips



phaedellis Brisbane, Queensland Australia
Twodawgz: Hey Phea you did receive a battering but hey you stepped up and delivered..


Thanks Dawgzy here's a big one commin your waykiss hug kiss teddybear
psuedonym adelaide, South Australia Australia
phaedellis: Thanks Mate, yep copped abit of a hiding in here yesterday, but i did wat i thought was best, and now its up to them to take the matter further or not, at least i know Sach really well and she will keep me informed hopefully bout wat is/will happen if anything




i've avoided commenting too much on this thread for various reasons but now i think perhaps i will

phae, i reckon you did the right thing and although some feel that you should have acted sooner, it's my opinion, that you would not have absorbed the enormity of the situation at the time. i imagine, that as you would not be a person who has thought processes revolving around the abuse of minors, that you would naturally assume that other people are the same, and consequently considered the comment made to you as odd, but not necessarily set off alarm bells in your head.

now that the issue has been raised about the potential harm the child could have been subjected to, you have acted, and done so in an efficient manner, so kudos to you phae.

now for my bold stand and statement on child abuse

if there is any reason to suspect that a child is the subject of abuse by an adult, whether that be sexual or otherwise, the first action is to ensure the child is safe. any interrogation of the adult in question can take place after it is determined that the child is safe. whether there is some embarassment or uneasiness experienced by the adult or not, this is irreleveant in comparison to the importance of making sure the child is safe.

with regard to how i believe an adult, who is proven to bring harm to children, should be treated, sporting goods your honour, sporting goods
(translation = the baseball bat in the boot of my car is merely a sporting good your honour)
Pockets66 Kelmscott, Western Australia Australia
Ralf74: Definately, but you also need to consider the stigma you can leave on a person should you be wrong. Unfortunately, allegations like these do not just disappear after the fact.

Don't get me wrong, I say hang the bastards, but I also think you need to proceed with caution if you aren't armed with all the facts.


Sadly in the course of my professional career I have seen some of the worst of both sides of this argument. From the double rape of a 3 year old and an 8 year old mentally handicapped. The pure physical damage done to these two girls was horrific but the emotional scarring must have been horrendous.
Having worked in the remote areas of W.A. I have also seen the abuse that sometimes goes on in the Aboriginal communities and while I applauded the government's desire to deal with it I'm not sure I support their methods.

When it comes to people not reporting I think of a case of a young man who was sexually molested by his mother from about the age of eight or ten until he was able to leave home. He did all the things we tell our children to do, he reported it to his teachers, his doctor the police etc. Unfortunately it wasn't until after his 3rd suicide attempt that someone actually listened to what he was saying.
I have also seen what happens when someone is wrongly accused of molesting children. The end result was he lost his marriage, his family, his job and even though it was proved that the complaint was malicious and unfounded he never got any of those things back and had to leave town because "where there's smoke, there's fire" "He just got away with it this time, didn't He?"
False accusation is also an increasing tactic used in custody battles to deny access to one or other of the parent's.

I'm not sure what the law is in the eastern states but here we do not have mandatory reporting by the public which I tend to think is good.
As a health care professional, however, I am subject to mandatory reporting of all forms of child abuse. But you can be damned sure I have it straight before I do because our system does not handle these cases well and getting it wrong will destroy lives almost as much as the abuse will. You try explaining to a five year old why they aren't allowed to see their mummy and daddy.
Don't get me wrong I do not support a soft approach to any type of abuse, especially abuse to children be it sexual, physical or emotional but sometimes it's not that easy to spot and we tend to want to think the best of others. Hell, I'm trained to know what to look for and it is not easy to spot.
The other side of the coin is also that most (not all) abusers were abused themselves. That being said I also believe repeat offenders should get the key. If they don't learn the lesson the first time why should they be allowed back into the community to offend again.

Sorry, long triabe, emotive issue.
cowgirldancer The Patch, Victoria Australia
well said pocket I agree whole heartly thank you for your personal insight .

cgd
kizzy27 Nowra, New South Wales Australia
Pockets66: Sadly in the course of my professional career I have seen some of the worst of both sides of this argument. From the double rape of a 3 year old and an 8 year old mentally handicapped. The pure physical damage done to these two girls was horrific but the emotional scarring must have been horrendous.
Having worked in the remote areas of W.A. I have also seen the abuse that sometimes goes on in the Aboriginal communities and while I applauded the government's desire to deal with it I'm not sure I support their methods.

When it comes to people not reporting I think of a case of a young man who was sexually molested by his mother from about the age of eight or ten until he was able to leave home. He did all the things we tell our children to do, he reported it to his teachers, his doctor the police etc. Unfortunately it wasn't until after his 3rd suicide attempt that someone actually listened to what he was saying.
I have also seen what happens when someone is wrongly accused of molesting children. The end result was he lost his marriage, his family, his job and even though it was proved that the complaint was malicious and unfounded he never got any of those things back and had to leave town because "where there's smoke, there's fire" "He just got away with it this time, didn't He?"
False accusation is also an increasing tactic used in custody battles to deny access to one or other of the parent's.

I'm not sure what the law is in the eastern states but here we do not have mandatory reporting by the public which I tend to think is good.
As a health care professional, however, I am subject to mandatory reporting of all forms of child abuse. But you can be damned sure I have it straight before I do because our system does not handle these cases well and getting it wrong will destroy lives almost as much as the abuse will. You try explaining to a five year old why they aren't allowed to see their mummy and daddy.
Don't get me wrong I do not support a soft approach to any type of abuse, especially abuse to children be it sexual, physical or emotional but sometimes it's not that easy to spot and we tend to want to think the best of others. Hell, I'm trained to know what to look for and it is not easy to spot.
The other side of the coin is also that most (not all) abusers were abused themselves. That being said I also believe repeat offenders should get the key. If they don't learn the lesson the first time why should they be allowed back into the community to offend again.

Sorry, long triabe, emotive issue.


Exactly , what I find difficult in my career is being nonJudgemental It is extreamly difficult to remain passive profecional & unbiase when you know exactly what has transpired .
Well said Pockets
Kizzy
off to work wave lips



aberfoyle Coffs Harbour, New South Wales Australia
Hey Pockets wave that was my point too. You have to be sure of what you are reporting before you step forward.

thumbs up
JASON656 MACKAY, Queensland Australia
Pockets66: Sadly in the course of my professional career I have seen some of the worst of both sides of this argument. From the double rape of a 3 year old and an 8 year old mentally handicapped. The pure physical damage done to these two girls was horrific but the emotional scarring must have been horrendous.
Having worked in the remote areas of W.A. I have also seen the abuse that sometimes goes on in the Aboriginal communities and while I applauded the government's desire to deal with it I'm not sure I support their methods.

When it comes to people not reporting I think of a case of a young man who was sexually molested by his mother from about the age of eight or ten until he was able to leave home. He did all the things we tell our children to do, he reported it to his teachers, his doctor the police etc. Unfortunately it wasn't until after his 3rd suicide attempt that someone actually listened to what he was saying.
I have also seen what happens when someone is wrongly accused of molesting children. The end result was he lost his marriage, his family, his job and even though it was proved that the complaint was malicious and unfounded he never got any of those things back and had to leave town because "where there's smoke, there's fire" "He just got away with it this time, didn't He?"
False accusation is also an increasing tactic used in custody battles to deny access to one or other of the parent's.

I'm not sure what the law is in the eastern states but here we do not have mandatory reporting by the public which I tend to think is good.
As a health care professional, however, I am subject to mandatory reporting of all forms of child abuse. But you can be damned sure I have it straight before I do because our system does not handle these cases well and getting it wrong will destroy lives almost as much as the abuse will. You try explaining to a five year old why they aren't allowed to see their mummy and daddy.
Don't get me wrong I do not support a soft approach to any type of abuse, especially abuse to children be it sexual, physical or emotional but sometimes it's not that easy to spot and we tend to want to think the best of others. Hell, I'm trained to know what to look for and it is not easy to spot.
The other side of the coin is also that most (not all) abusers were abused themselves. That being said I also believe repeat offenders should get the key. If they don't learn the lesson the first time why should they be allowed back into the community to offend again.

Sorry, long triabe, emotive issue.
What about that Dennis Ferguson here in Queensland who has no remorse for sexually molesting those kids and he is released from prison back into the community where he just went and reoffended doh dunno dunno



aberfoyle Coffs Harbour, New South Wales Australia
JASON656: What about that Dennis Ferguson here in Queensland who has no remorse for sexually molesting those kids and he is released from prison back into the community where he just went and reoffended


Public castration and having to wear a plackard out in public for the rest of his miserable life that states, "I am a low life scumbag that molests little children"




Plus, charges should be brought against the moron that let him out very mad



aberfoyle Coffs Harbour, New South Wales Australia
Oh, I forgot.........tattoo his forehead with the word "Child Molestor"


professor
sxc666 Central Coast, New South Wales Australia
aberfoyle: Oh, I forgot.........tattoo his forehead with the word "Child Molestor"
Yep that is exactly what should happen thumbs up
kidatheart Earth, Alberta Canada
aberfoyle: Public castration and having to wear a plackard out in public for the rest of his miserable life that states, "I am a low life scumbag that molests little children"

Plus, charges should be brought against the moron that let him out




Wouldn't it just be easier to shoot, electrocute or saw him in half and feed him to the sharks?

Sadly the same shit happens here in Canada as well. frustrated


People Dirtbags like that have no place in society, and should never be allowed to walk freely among the rest of us....ever!very mad




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