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Recovering body parts is not the focus....the focus is, to scientifically establish why the plane went down. This has enormous cost implications for the international airline industry going forward. This is about safety and public relations, ie money and business, not about bodies...

They're already replacing Sensors on other Planes,so they probably know what the Public doesn't.

unprecedented .. it went off radar .. they know its velocity and direction ..it reportedly exploded suddenly .. but they don't know where the box is .. it all seems very strange ..

Thanks for posting the updates, Lago!

This article has some interesting insight and ideas.

http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE55059220090601

Guiriman - it had been out of ground radar range for half an hour before the incident, it was over the open ocean. This article suggests there could have been a failure in the on board weather radar, which could have been a contributary factor.

Assuming it wasn't terrorism (and although that can't be discounted, it's looking increasingly unlikely) it does seem most likely that it was a freak combination of events, not any one single thing, that brought it down. A horrific and tragic event, but probably not one where sole blame can be put in any one place.

interesting article, Rhi .. O'Brien doesn't suggest that the weather was particularly any worse than when other flights took the route and points to the twin-engine A330's impeccable safety history .. and so for me leaves even more questions regarding the incident than we might have had before, I think .. O'Brien also understandably clutches at straws a little too, no? ..I'm referring to the fact that the captain might have gone to his bunk .. as pointed out in the article, the other guys were experienced pilots with 1000s flying hours in the type of plane in question .. I find this argument strained, do you agree? .. but in brief, yes, I think O'Briens conclusion that we will probably never know what happened is true, do you think so too? ..

In the article, O'Brien asks whether conspiracy theorists will spin a tale of terrorism and government cover ups?

I find this sentence a little disconcerting at a time when the individual is being relentlessly erased from existence .. it'll be a shame if we are conditioned to sweep aside as a crank anybody who questions mainstream explanations to such seemingly bizarre incidents .. it could open up the public to all sorts of manipulation. jmo. .. do you think likewise? ..

especially as I sometimes feel we are being rounded up like sheep and having our voices quietened .. what do you think about that as a media person?

I wouldn't consider myself a conspiracy theorist, btw .. and I think that there probably is a less far-out explanation at root to the cause of this tragic accident .. but I equally think the flying public deserve every effort being made to find that root cause and having it spelled out .. not some vague 'well it could be lots of things' answer .. I don't buy that .. again jmo, of course .. it's being suggested that the authorities have not done all they can to find the answers to all the questions this incident leaves in its wake .. do you think they have?

interesting article, Rhi .. thanks for linking it ..

Couple of comments....firstly, I hate this whole issue of "conspiracy theories"...the problem is, with the internet today, any old point of view can be published and disseminated. People are only too eager to believe anything, the first rumour, and the more outrageous, the better. it's the Boulevarde Press, as they say in sherman...Take a look at what happened with the Marilyn Monroe thing, or the JFK assassination, or the moon landing, or the Twin Towers...now the same is happening with the David Carradine suicide/death/murder, and this Air France flight.....the point is, we'll never know. When there's so much information and speculation out there, it's a case of "more is worse"....there's so much information/disinformation on the web/in the press/in the newspapers, that there is no way in hell anyone can even come close to knowing what the real "truth" is....or rather, what the facts are. In many ways, I hate this new "information age"...because with more information, we are not any better off, because you never know what you can believe. if ignorance was bliss before, are we any btter off today??....I'm not sure...

Icing up of Speedsensors,entering a Zone of Thunderstorms.
Wrong Speed:Too fast,you break up the Craft,Too slow,and you loose Control!

Captain bonking the hostess...now there's a story the press would love!!...

He's bonking Sommer.

And they would not be so interested.

Sorry, could not help it.

Slay me will you.

"Air Hostess pleasures herself at 28'000 feet with a hot and heavily hung Beetroot"

...now that's what I call a headline!!...

I'm already in enough trouble over in the International Shreds.

Have you seen lately? I am dead meat when he reads what he has been going on the pirates ship.

I'm scared and am standing behind you.

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/americas/06/06/brazil.plane.crash/index.html

It is always a disaster when we hear things like the plane going down and life is lost. It shocks all of us. But (always a but) what I think is more infuriating is loss of life that can be helped. For example we except the fact that many people die in car crashes every year many more than in air crashes. Do you try to drive as safe as you can? I do!!! People die of lung cancer did you try to help people to stop smoking? I do!!! People die of heart attacks (mainly through over eating) do you try to get people to change their diets? I do!!! It is our input into other peoples lives that might bring change. The aircraft accidents will always happen and lets hope to a minimum. But what we should work on is the things we can change.

Probe: Airline did not replace instruments on 447
AP



By EMMA VANDORE, Associated Press Writer Emma Vandore, Associated Press Writer – 1 hr 14 mins ago

PARIS – Air France had not acted on a recommendation to change airspeed-detecting instruments on Flight 447 before the plane crashed in turbulent weather, the French agency investigating the disaster said Saturday.

The French accident investigation agency, BEA, found the doomed plane received inconsistent airspeed readings by different instruments as it struggled in a massive thunderstorm on its flight from Rio de Janeiro to Paris with 228 people aboard.

No debris from the aircraft has been found and without the aircraft's black box recorders, aviation investigators have little information to help them determine what caused the crash.

Airbus had recommended to all its airline customers that they replace speed-measuring instruments known as Pitot tubes on the A330, the model that crashed, said Paul-Louis Arslanian, the head of the agency.

"They hadn't yet been replaced" on the plane that crashed, said Alain Bouillard, head of the French investigation. Air France declined immediate comment.

Arslanian cautioned that it is too early to draw conclusions about the role of Pitot tubes in the crash, saying Airbus had made the recommendation for "a number of reasons."

CONT.

Investigators are relying on 24 messages the plane sent automatically during the last minutes of the flight to try to locate the wreckage.

The signals show the plane's autopilot was not on, officials said, but it was not clear if the autopilot had been switched off by the pilots or had stopped working because it received conflicting airspeed readings.

In Brazil, visibility and weather conditions improved Saturday in the area searchers are focusing on but debris earlier spotted on the ocean's surface may have sunk by now.
Holding up a pinger in the palm of his hand, he said: "This is what we are looking for in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean."

CONT.

Investigators are trying to determine the location of the debris in the ocean based on the height and speed of the plane at the time the last message was received. Currents could also have scattered debris far along the ocean floor, he said.

"You see the complexity of the problem," he said.

Laurent Kerleguer, an engineer specialized in the ocean floor working with the investigation team, said the zone seen as the most likely site of the debris was 15,112 feet (4,606 meters) at its deepest point and 2,835 feet (864 meters) at its shallowest.

France is sending a submarine to the area to try to detect signals from the black boxes, said military spokesman Christophe Prazuck. The Emeraude will arrive next week, he said.

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AP Writers Patrick McGroarty in Berlin and Bradley Brooks in Rio de Janeiro contributed to this report.
"Debris doesn't indefinitely float, and when it sinks we will not have the means of finding them," Air Force Brig. Gen. Ramon Cardoso told reporters late Friday.

Earlier, Cardoso insisted that the debris spotted — an airplane seat, a slick of kerosene and other pieces — was from the plane. But he confirmed that Brazilian searchers had yet to recovered any of the material.

He said searchers did not pursue the reports of debris — the first sighting was reported on Tuesday — because priority was given to the hunt for survivors or the remains of victims.

Meanwhile, a German government-owned satellite spotted debris in the Atlantic on Wednesday, a German Aerospace Center spokesman said, but he added it was unclear whether the material came from the plane.

BEA chief Arslanian said the crash of Flight 447 does not mean similar plane models are unsafe, he said, adding that he told family members not to worry about flying.

"My sister and her son are going to take an A330 next week," he told a news conference at the agency's headquarters, near Paris.

He says planes can be flown safely "with damaged systems."

CONT.

The flight disappeared nearly four hours after takeoff, killing all on board. It was Air France's deadliest plane crash and the world's worst commercial air accident since 2001.

The investigation is increasingly focused on whether external instruments may have iced over, confusing speed sensors and leading computers to set the plane's speed too fast or slow — a potentially deadly mistake in severe turbulence.

An Air France memo to its pilots Friday about the crash said the airline is replacing the Pitot tubes on all its medium- and long-haul Airbus jets.

Pitot tubes protrude from the wing or fuselage of a plane and help measure the speed and angle of the flight, along with less vital information like outside air temperature.

They feed airspeed sensors and are heated to prevent icing.

A blocked or malfunctioning Pitot tube could cause an airspeed sensor to work incorrectly and cause the computer controlling the plane to accelerate or decelerate in a potentially dangerous fashion.

On Thursday, European plane maker Airbus sent an advisory to all operators of the A330 reminding them of how to handle the plane in conditions similar to those experienced by Flight 447.

Peter Goelz, a former managing director of the National Transportation Safety Board, said that advisory and the Air France memo about replacing flight-speed instruments "certainly raises questions about whether the Pitot tubes, which are critical to the pilot's understanding of what's going on, were operating effectively."

But questions about speed sensors are only one of many factors investigators are considering. Automatic transmissions from the plane showed a chain of computer system failures that indicate the plane broke apart in midair.

President Barack Obama said at a news conference with French President Nicolas Sarkozy Saturday that the United States had authorized all of the U.S. government's resources to help investigate the crash.

Arslanian said investigators are searching a zone of several hundred square miles (square kilometers) for the debris.

An intensive international effort so far has failed to recover any confirmed wreckage, and concern has grown about whether searchers were even looking in the right place.

It is vital to locate a beacon called a "pinger" that should be attached to the cockpit voice and data recorders, now presumed to be deep in the Atlantic, Arslanian said.

"We have no guarantee that the pinger is attached to the recorders," he said.

Thanks for all the infos.Here is the link about what I wanted to hear after the day the plane went missing.Anyway I can help with some Aquatic metal detector I don't know
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20090606/wl_afp/francebrazilairaccident_20090606021709

By the way they have found two bodies let's hope it really worked out.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8087303.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/bristol/somerset/8086879.stm

I can't help it, it brings a lump to my throat.

Yes, it's different when it becomes personalized, down to the different individuals and their lives...