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Posted: Jan 7, 2008, 2:43 AM CST
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This is the way we figure it also. The final customer will only buy if it cuts down their electric bill and is inexpensive. That is why florescent bulbs have not really replaced regular light bulbs.

We discussed the idea of getting political groups like Al Gore's groups behind the contest. Then major companies would get involved because its good press. But as a small company it is difficult to get real interest. Gore is off doing big political things - a lot of talk, but nothing really comes of it.
100% of my light bulbs in my house in the UK are energy saving ones.

The villa out here has about 80% energy saving bulbs; as a bulb 'dies' it is replaced with an energy saving one - it's just there are so many bulbs and some old ones have 'lived' a long time!
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lorax111
richmond, Virginia USA
Posted: Jan 14, 2008, 1:58 AM CST
Do your bulbs emit uv rays? , my rent includes electric so the only reason im concerned about energy saving is my concern for sustaing life on this planet. i am a cpf (picture framer, that is responsible for preserving works of art and among other things historical documents) and one of the main deviants that destroys art is uv rays , florescent bulbs do emit uv rays incandescent bulbs do not,what about your bulbs?
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Marivanna
Msida, Majjistral Malta
Posted: Jan 14, 2008, 2:53 AM CST
Munichtexan, consider it sold, at least to me. rolling on the floor laughing

I replaced all my IBs with FBs the moment they appeared on the market. The moment I saw yellow warm FBs I got them and gave away my white BFs.

I also considered installing photovoltaic system on my roof and decided against it at this point because it is way too expensive and huge. By the time I get my money back I am sure there will be something smaller, cheaper and more efficient. So I wait.

For now I just ckacked open a plastic garden light (~2 euros) and put a panel on the roof and balb in my bathroom. It lasts up to 3-4 am after a dull day.
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smoky
Unterland, Zrich Switzerland
Posted: Jan 14, 2008, 6:07 AM CST
Me too ... I ckacked up a BWA on my kitchen window, and a JKW in the bedroom, then with the panel on the patio linked to the WST on the west side, which is counter-linked to the ESTW on the north side, I getting incredible ZUD`s which is actually a good thing, because now with the IXP`s that cost hardly anything and are returnable for re-cycling the entire operation is good for installing some more ERS rays that link to the UV filters where I can charge the batteries for the pool ZINS and in turn they charge the PUGs at the front gate. WOW! This is realy great, and money saving too.
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smoky
Unterland, Zrich Switzerland
Posted: Jan 14, 2008, 6:21 AM CST
.... and when they all broken ... I just pack them up and send them all to China where they get melted down and turned into jewellery for export back to EU!
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Marivanna
Msida, Majjistral Malta
Posted: Jan 14, 2008, 11:35 AM CST
Smoky-san bowing

you are too ahead of me rolling on the floor laughing

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smoky
Unterland, Zrich Switzerland
Posted: Jan 14, 2008, 11:43 AM CST
Ah soh, Marivanna-San, and here I was a thinkin`that you was way ahead of me, which made me feel stupid, so I tried to act intelligent sounding, just to make myself feel better.
AH HA AH HA AH HA HA HA rolling on the floor laughing dancing

..... AND NOW ...... I FEEL GOOOOOOOD.....!
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etboy
ZURRIEQ, Xlokk Malta
Posted: Jan 23, 2008, 2:38 PM CST
Good idea but bad luck regarding wood - I have always used white wood redwood or pine as these are sustainable - nor tropical woods.


I believe LEDs are the way to go.

The Incandescent Bulb is wasteful and produces often uwanted heat.
However the light they emit is healthy and the closest there is to the sun's own light.

However the so-called Energy Saving bulbs are worse because:
a they contain mercury
b the light they emit is unhealthy
c the uv light they emit is also unhealthy
d they may be a problem to recycle
e they are still expensive.

For now I still use the IBs but if I have to switch over it will be to LEDs.

Good Luck

cheers
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smoky
Unterland, Zrich Switzerland
Posted: Jan 23, 2008, 2:50 PM CST
I do believe the Inuits have signed a contract with Saudi Arabia to sell all the Polar Bears, seeing as Global Warming is melting all the ice, the Polar Bears will just have to get used to living in hotter regions, so someone might as well make some money out of it, while the going is good .. and the bears will have all that lovely sand to cavort around in.... The sheiks will take turns dropping them fresh fish from their helicopters.

The Penguins are being sold to Abu Dhabi where they will be a tourist attraction for the diverted Alaskan Cruise ships which will now detour around the Arabian Gulf bringing more diversity to their cruise itineries, and the passengers can get their shopping done.

The Walrusses are being shared by Dubai and Bharain who are both developing inland lakes in their new Eco-Cities.

So you see? It does not pay to worry too much about the future ... it is all taken care of.
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Conrad73
Lonesome Town Zurich , Zrich Switzerland
Posted: Jan 23, 2008, 5:05 PM CST
Most of the Lightbulbs in my Flat are Energysaver.Most power I use is Cooking.Heat is piped in from a Central Plant some Miles away which uses Trash to produce most of the Steam,Heatexchangers are used to tranfer the Heat to the Heating System and to produce the Hot Water.As soon LEDs become a feasible Replacement I'll consider replacing the Fluorescents with them,since I dont like the Idea of having Mercury all over the place.It will happen,no matter how careful anyone is.
However I am not letting Al Gore and his Ilk panicking me.
While Mankind definitely has an Impact on the Environment,there are still too many Unknowns in the Equation.
So while doing what can be done,it's useless for Humanity to go and commit Economic Suicide.
Just too many Fearmongers and Anxiety Makers out there,grinding their Own Axe and in Fact not giving a Damn about the Environment. (Friend Gore's probably one of them,check HIS Energy Consumption and see how green he is!)
Just my 5¢ (No 1¢ and 2¢ pieces here any morelaugh )conversing wave
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Conrad73
Lonesome Town Zurich , Zrich Switzerland
Posted: Jan 23, 2008, 5:25 PM CST
etboy wrote:
Good idea but bad luck regarding wood - I have always used white wood redwood or pine as these are sustainable - nor tropical woods.I believe LEDs are the way to go.

The Incandescent Bulb is wasteful and produces often uwanted heat.
However the light they emit is healthy and the closest there is to the sun's own light.

However the so-called Energy Saving bulbs are worse because:
a they contain mercury
b the light they emit is unhealthy
c the uv light they emit is also unhealthy
d they may be a problem to recycle
e they are still expensive.

For now I still use the IBs but if I have to switch over it will be to LEDs.

Good Luck


Didn't know the Fluorescents were emitting any UV.
Always thought the UV was converted into Visible Light by the Fluorescent Coating inside the Tube/Bulb.
Is the Level high enough to be a Health-Hazard.?

BTW,some Tropical Woods could be Farmed the Way we do Wood here in Europe.
The Bahamas at one time considered farming the Horseflesh Tree there,that is related to Mahogany.Don't know whatever became of the Project.Probably went the way of so many other Government Projects the World over,namely Nowhere

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A picture of a Horseflesh Tree ("Lysiloma sabicu" ) in South Florida
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Conrad73
Lonesome Town Zurich , Zrich Switzerland
Posted: Jan 23, 2008, 5:48 PM CST
Conrad73 wrote:
Didn't know the Fluorescents were emitting any UV.
Always thought the UV was converted into Visible Light by the Fluorescent Coating inside the Tube/Bulb.
Is the Level high enough to be a Health-Hazard.?

BTW,some Tropical Woods could be Farmed the Way we do Wood here in Europe.
The Bahamas at one time considered farming the Horseflesh Tree there,that is related to Mahogany.Don't know whatever became of the Project.Probably went the way of so many other Government Projects the World over,namely Nowhere

A picture of a Horseflesh Tree ("Lysiloma sabicu" ) in South Florida


Here we go again.
So much for the Friendly Site calling me Thief. SHEEEEESH.Yeah well,live and learn!laugh


Hope it works out this time.The Tree could probably be Farmed in Southern Europe,after due Cosideration about Foreign Species of course.Wouldn't want it to become a Pest like other Species.
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smoky
Unterland, Zrich Switzerland
Posted: Jan 24, 2008, 11:40 AM CST
rolling on the floor laughing Looks like this thread (Global Warming) and the thread "Where`s everybody?" have gotten mixed up?.... "Where`s everybody" is talking about the Flatulence of Cow herds and harnessing their methane gas......rolling on the floor laughing
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Conrad73
Lonesome Town Zurich , Zrich Switzerland
Posted: Jan 24, 2008, 12:45 PM CST
smoky wrote:
Looks like this thread (Global Warming) and the thread "Where`s everybody?" have gotten mixed up?.... "Where`s everybody" is talking about the Flatulence of Cow herds and harnessing their methane gas......


Ain't we a mixed up Lot.
Probably the reason we all ended up on CS!

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Duke07
London, Outer London, England UK
Posted: Feb 4, 2008, 10:59 AM CST
life is for living, i will use and wase as much as i like.
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Conrad73
Lonesome Town Zurich , Zrich Switzerland
Posted: Feb 5, 2008, 9:59 AM CST
An interesting Development!!!!


Philippines to ban incandescent bulbs

2 hours, 52 minutes ago

MANILA, Philippines - The Philippines will phase out incandescent bulbs by 2010 in favor of more energy-efficient fluorescent globes to help cut greenhouse gas emissions and household costs, the president said Tuesday.


Acknowledging similar moves in Canada and Australia, President Gloria Macapagal Arroyo called for a ban on incandescent bulbs.

"Like Australia, we should phase out incandescent lights by 2010," Arroyo said in her closing remarks at the Philippine Energy Summit.

The Asian Development Bank, a technical adviser at the summit, lauded the Philippine plan as a first in Asia. It said the most effective way to reduce the demand for electricity and greenhouse gases was to use energy more efficiently.

The bank "will support and encourage other developing countries to follow the Government of Philippines' lead and make the switch to more energy-efficient products like compact fluorescent lamps," Thomas Crouch, deputy director general of ADB's Southeast Asia Department said in a statement.

The Manila-based development bank said it was considering extending a $30 million loan to the Philippines to help fund energy-efficiency programs, including projects for low-income families to mitigate the financial impact of changing from incandescent globes to the more expensive fluorescent alternative.

Fluorescent bulbs need just 20 percent of the electricity that incandescent bulbs use to produce the same amount of light. They also last six to ten times longer than the average incandescent bulb.

The Asian Development Bank said the switch would cut household lighting costs by as much as 80 percent and — because the amount of electricity used would be drastically lower — reduce the Philippines' annual greenhouse gas emissions by 2.2 million tons starting in 2010.

Three years ago, Cuban government workers went door to door in many neighborhoods replacing incandescent light bulbs with more-efficient alternatives to counter crippling energy blackouts across the island. The scheme inspired Venezuela to give away energy-saving fluorescent light bulbs.


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Bedraline
Sliema, Majjistral Malta
Posted: Mar 27, 2008, 5:52 AM CST
Munichtexan wrote:
A few years ago, I thought I had the right idea on how to do my small part towards saving the world. I retired from the Semiconductor industry and started a hard wood company specializing in harvesting trees that came down in storms, floods, or in general for new highways or developments.

I thought I had a good business plan, I had my retirement money to "bootstrap" the company. But the reality was the company failed because woodworkers wanted the best price. They were not concerned about the "deforestation" of South America. I heard constant complaints that as a lumber manufacturer that our prices were the same as retail. Only once over three years did a single customer comment that he was appreciative of what we were doing. But he did not buy anything.

A lot of politicians and yahoo news are making a big deal about global warming now. But they offer no real solutions. Punitive approaches does not really drive people. Economics does.

I decided to go back to what I really know. I have a degree in Nuclear Physics and worked in the Semiconductor industry both in Process and Design. I am not here to "plug" my company. I would like to get your honest replies on an idea we have for a contest.

To start with, 95% of all electronics are built with "clock based" designs. Primarily because it is more simple than "non-clock based" designs. But clocks consume up to 40% of the power used in today's electronics. The important side of this, is that if you can design with less power, technically speaking certain problems affecting global warming can be addressed.

8 to 10% of all worldwide electricity is used for lighting.

Bright LEDs are a reality and use much less power. The problem is households are on Alternating Current not Direct Current (LEDs are direct current at 5 volts or less). Plus voltage varies and so does current or spikes in the current caused by weather, your air conditioner kicking in, etc.

The contest idea is simple. Use our "non-clock based design software" to build "green electronics" household lights to replace the normal 60 watt lightbulb with a 3 watt light bulb using LED's. (We do not produce LEDs)

The price has to be on the order of $1 or less estimated for large scale manufacturing. This would make the 3 watt bulb competitive with the 14 watt florescent bulb and the 60 watt incandescent bulb. Without hitting this price range, people in my opinion just don't see the advantage of buying a more expensive bulb.

So what do you think. Will the general public support this? It will save them money and cut 6 to 8% of the electricity used around the world if they buy the new bulbs.

Thanks for your answers, both positive and negative.


I do not know exactly what you really have in mind. However I can give you a proposal for which I also found very little support if at all.
Can you think of an idea that turns all the waste (Liquid & Solid) coming out of a village will be returned to that same village as Electricity or Fuel gas?
If you are in electronics and can design the equipment, I will be ready to give you a few hints I have picked during these last few years of research. Some methods are already in operation but in non-complete methods.

I will be ready to meet with all contibutors to this Thread and try to make some progress together.
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Bedraline
Sliema, Majjistral Malta
Posted: Mar 27, 2008, 7:07 AM CST
rusty_knight wrote:
OMG! There is now a health warning on the standard energy saving bulbs we use in Europe:

1.) There is a small amount of mercury in them and if you break one you need to dispose of it carefully.

2.) For some people with certain susceptabilities to skin disorders the low energy bulbs can bring on or worsen these conditions.

I guess it's back to burning sheep fat in oil lanterns, and a little whale blubber for the lucky few?



Again I hope I am not too late with my input.
In U.K. one can find both ebergy saving lamps as well a light tube which are energy saving and which are very healthy to use. They use "negative Ions" I believe. I am trying to get in contact with the company which sells them to get a few to test in Malta. I hope that they work.
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Conrad73
Lonesome Town Zurich , Zrich Switzerland
Posted: Mar 27, 2008, 7:20 AM CST
smoky wrote:
Me too ... I ckacked up a BWA on my kitchen window, and a JKW in the bedroom, then with the panel on the patio linked to the WST on the west side, which is counter-linked to the ESTW on the north side, I getting incredible ZUD`s which is actually a good thing, because now with the IXP`s that cost hardly anything and are returnable for re-cycling the entire operation is good for installing some more ERS rays that link to the UV filters where I can charge the batteries for the pool ZINS and in turn they charge the PUGs at the front gate. WOW! This is realy great, and money saving too.
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smoky
Unterland, Zrich Switzerland
Posted: Mar 27, 2008, 8:46 AM CST
Bedraline wrote:
I do not know exactly what you really have in mind. However I can give you a proposal for which I also found very little support if at all.
Can you think of an idea that turns all the waste (Liquid & Solid) coming out of a village will be returned to that same village as Electricity or Fuel gas?
If you are in electronics and can design the equipment, I will be ready to give you a few hints I have picked during these last few years of research. Some methods are already in operation but in non-complete methods.

I will be ready to meet with all contibutors to this Thread and try to make some progress together.


I saw articles on this subject - related to farms being independent of public services.

The owner of this particular farm had what looked like a Huge Reservoir with a dome lid, fitted with safety valves. Into this reservoir was thrown all the household sewerage, garbage and manure from the animals - which percolated, causing gas, which was channeled to his farmhouse and used for power.....dunno Guess this could work for an entire village?... As long as the Safety Valves were maintained in good order --- or else -----Kapow!
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