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Free will? lol

Posted: May 10, 2008, 11:54 AM CST
Free will is the ability to act or make choices as a free and autonomous being and not solely as a result of compulsion or predestination. According to Freud's discovery of psychic determinism - the fact that much of our cognitive and affective life is unconscious - there is not much left for freedom of action.

Experiment on the correlation between electrical activity of the brain and movement (lifting a finger for example), reveals that the electrical activity precedes the movement by 200 milliseconds. It is proposed that the process of initiating a voluntary action occurs in an unconscious part of the brain, but that just before the action is taken, consciousness is recruited to approve or veto the action. In the 200 milliseconds before a finger is lifted, consciousness determines whether it moves or not.

Thus, our conscious mind may not have free will, but it can freely modify inappropriate behavior. This is the reason for the laws in our society to hold all of us accountable for our own action. It is suggested that we should update our idea of free will to mean self-control over our behaviour.
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dragonfly88
valencia, Valenciana Spain
Posted: May 10, 2008, 12:16 PM CST
confused

too much for me on a sunday afternoonsigh
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Posted: May 10, 2008, 12:23 PM CST
dragonfly88 wrote:
too much for me on a sunday afternoon


No free will, that is.




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dragonfly88
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Posted: May 10, 2008, 12:25 PM CST
Marivanna_the_II wrote:
No free will, that is.


hahahrolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing

you mean I have no choice?confused

none at all?confused confused

not even a tiny weeny bit of choice?confused confused

does my hand really choose which chocolate to take from the shelf? or is it meconfused
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kirip
Athens, Attica Greece
Posted: May 10, 2008, 12:31 PM CST
Marivana the II said:

[quote]No free will, that is.[quote]

Or, exercising the free will not to? dunno

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dragonfly88
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Posted: May 10, 2008, 12:32 PM CST
kirip wrote:
Marivana the II said:

[quote]No free will, that is.[quote]

Or, exercising the free will not to?


I think that not even taking your wheel for a spin will mean free will..


I thinkdunno
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Posted: May 10, 2008, 12:40 PM CST
dragonfly88 wrote:
hahah

you mean I have no choice?

none at all?

not even a tiny weeny bit of choice?

does my hand really choose which chocolate to take from the shelf? or is it me


You are at will not to stretch your hand to any chocolate
but give in to your electrics just for this only one sitting nicely on a shelf and teasing your pleasure receptors :D
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dragonfly88
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Posted: May 10, 2008, 12:43 PM CST
Marivanna_the_II wrote:
You are at will not to stretch your hand to any chocolate
but give in to your electrics just for this only one sitting nicely on a shelf and teasing your pleasure receptors :D


rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing

I think that's called sadomasochism!



No, I am not going to take the chocolate!,


yes I am


No you're not! you have free will


and your free will says you're not to take it


and your free will says you should take it

alright, get someone else to take it for you and feed it to you! (COMPROMISE!)rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing
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dragonfly88
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Posted: May 10, 2008, 12:44 PM CST
Marivanna_the_II wrote:
You are at will not to stretch your hand to any chocolate
but give in to your electrics just for this only one sitting nicely on a shelf and teasing your pleasure receptors :D



hang on .....


isn't that a bit like tantric sex?


savouring it without touching it?confused



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kirip
Athens, Attica Greece
Posted: May 10, 2008, 12:47 PM CST
Don't quite get it myself...

confused

What did you exercise to cange Saturday to Sunday?

wave

...time flies in Valencia cheering


(Brief interval till somebody thinks something about it.....wink
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Posted: May 10, 2008, 12:47 PM CST
kirip wrote:
Or, exercising the free will not to?


There is no more of such excuse 'Sorry I did not want to do this, I really did not mean this to happen...' More like 'I could not help it happen'

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dragonfly88
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Posted: May 10, 2008, 12:50 PM CST
kirip wrote:
Don't quite get it myself...



What did you exercise to cange Saturday to Sunday?



...time flies in Valencia (Brief interval till somebody thinks something about it.....
rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing

welll,

having a quiet day in today so quiet it felt like a sunday afternoon after stuffing ourselves at lunch! and eating biscuits too
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kirip
Athens, Attica Greece
Posted: May 10, 2008, 12:51 PM CST
Quid?


Something like: "I'm relaxing now, I'd rather not watch football/write something/do this/that.." is not exercising free will?

What is it then? confused
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kirip
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Posted: May 10, 2008, 12:52 PM CST
Blast!

You're typing too fast for me laugh

The above on Marivana's post.
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dragonfly88
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Posted: May 10, 2008, 12:53 PM CST
Marivanna_the_II wrote:
There is no more of such excuse 'Sorry I did not want to do this, I really did not mean this to happen...' More like 'I could not help it happen'


now, we're walking ground I know about.

I've never believed people do things unconsiously but gosh it's a very good excuse...specially if they've been horrible to someone... . rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing

it's usually easier saying, oops, sorry,!

I suppose we could also go onto the blindfold theme here... "no, Idon't want to admit I did that, of course I didn't do that!" blindfold.

OMG!D'oh!
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Jacko50
Qawra, Majjistral Malta
Posted: May 10, 2008, 1:06 PM CST
Free willy.............I saw that film toolaugh he also had a choicerolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing too heavy for me on a Sunday
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dragonfly88
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Posted: May 10, 2008, 1:09 PM CST
Jacko50 wrote:
Free willy.............I saw that film too he also had a choice too heavy for me on a Sunday



it's saturday!rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing
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Jacko50
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Posted: May 10, 2008, 1:12 PM CST
dragonfly88 wrote:
it's saturday!
re the wine threadrolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing sticking out tongue
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dragonfly88
valencia, Valenciana Spain
Posted: May 10, 2008, 1:19 PM CST
Jacko50 wrote:
re the wine thread


virtual wine!

and it has this effect!


imagine real wine!
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Jacko50
Qawra, Majjistral Malta
Posted: May 10, 2008, 1:23 PM CST
dragonfly88 wrote:
virtual wine!

and it has this effect!imagine real wine!
I don't do virtual.......strictly a hands on sort of guyrolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing sticking out tongue
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