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SLUGS & SNAILS ....

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Conrad73
Lonesome Town Zurich , Zrich Switzerland
Posted: May 16, 2008, 4:53 PM CST
smoky wrote:
Exactly my sentiments Elley! ... I even went out and bought two very nice "Slug Pubs" specially for them ...... Free Beer, they can drink as much as they like - I think that is a very kind thing I did, huh?
They even more crazy over beer than my son! .. or about even anyway! Now, I got a rather large garden, so the problem I was confronted with was Where to position the two pubs (only two cause they sold out so quick .. if I`d a known how much slugs like beer I would have bought 30 - but then I`d have to buy a crate of beer a month for the slugs, which means my son would have to donate one of his 4 ..... ) Anyway, I put the two Slug Pubs right in the middle of my hemp patch ... and you know what?... the slugs prefer beer to hemp ... flippin little alcoholics .... they deserve whatever happens to them! Wonder if Hedgie will like beer marinated slugs?
Nope,if they eat enough,those poor Little Buggers could get drunk.
Also Milk Cheese and other Sweet or Fatty Foods are a No No,they are Lactose Intolerant.
Also susceptible to Insecticides.conversing wave
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smoky
Unterland, Zrich Switzerland
Posted: May 16, 2008, 5:03 PM CST
Conrad73 wrote:
Nope,if they eat enough,those poor Little Buggers could get drunk.
Also Milk Cheese and other Sweet or Fatty Foods are a No No,they are Lactose Intolerant.
Also susceptible to Insecticides.

Took a moment to decipher your post conrad ..... Are you saying the Hedgies must not eat milk cheese, or milk or cheese? and that the Hedgies are lactose intolerant? No no, I dont interfere with their diet ... they free to roam around and eat what they like in the garden ... just a battle to overcome the neat garden phobia of these youngsters I live with here!.... Try and leave a section gone wild just for Hedgie. But he/she/they toddle along every evening and flatten all the daffodils seeking their slugs, then do the rounds of the veges/herbs, drink at the cat dish out in the garden, then go tour the neighborhood and come home again about 2am. I got one old senile chap, never expected him to wake up from hibernation - but he`s back too. They just so cute and gentle. They also seem to enjoy what the birds spill out of the feeder in the tree... seeds, bread, rice, polento. Is that okay for them? The people here talk about putting out cat biscuits ... but I dont want to encourage the neighborhood cats- too many of them!
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Conrad73
Lonesome Town Zurich , Zrich Switzerland
Posted: May 16, 2008, 5:32 PM CST
smoky wrote:
Took a moment to decipher your post conrad ..... Are you saying the Hedgies must not eat milk cheese, or milk or cheese? and that the Hedgies are lactose intolerant? No no, I dont interfere with their diet ... they free to roam around and eat what they like in the garden ... just a battle to overcome the neat garden phobia of these youngsters I live with here!.... Try and leave a section gone wild just for Hedgie. But he/she/they toddle along every evening and flatten all the daffodils seeking their slugs, then do the rounds of the veges/herbs, drink at the cat dish out in the garden, then go tour the neighborhood and come home again about 2am. I got one old senile chap, never expected him to wake up from hibernation - but he`s back too. They just so cute and gentle. They also seem to enjoy what the birds spill out of the feeder in the tree... seeds, bread, rice, polento. Is that okay for them? The people here talk about putting out cat biscuits ... but I dont want to encourage the neighborhood cats- too many of them!


Hedgehog Diseases


There are many diseases common to hedgehogs.These include cancer, fatty liver disease, and cardiovascular disease.

Cancer is very common in hedgehogs. The most common is squamous cell carcinoma. Squamous cell spreads quickly from the bone to the organs in hedgehogs, unlike in humans. Surgery to remove the tumors is rare because it would result in removing too much bone structure.

Fatty liver disease is believed by many to be caused by bad diet. Hedgehogs will eagerly eat foods that are high in fat and sugar. Having a metabolism adapted for low-fat, protein-rich insects, this leads to common problems of obesity. Fatty liver disease is one sign, heart disease is another.

Hedgehogs uncommonly transmit a characteristic fungal skin infection to human handlers as well as other hedgehogs. This ringworm or dermatophytosis infection is caused by Trichophyton erinacei, which forms a distinct mating group within the Arthroderma benhamiae species complex. conversing wave
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antcus
St Paul's Bay, Majjistral Malta
Posted: May 16, 2008, 6:02 PM CST
Manolito wrote:
i love all animals, and all of what nature has. but i also love to eat. So?

for me, it is not cruelty to kill when you have a reason to do this: for example to feed or protect yourself. It is natures way.

But then again, there are all these details now about the morality of killing rodents that destroy our crops or snails that mess with our gardens. For me the thing is simple: If it invades my personal space (home) or messes with my hygiene and food, its dead or thrown out, depending. In exactly the same manner i WOULD be dead if i invaded a lion's or bear's personal space or if i messed around the food of a tiger. It is nature's way!

Lemme ask you this Antcus: What do you do when your girlfriend starts screaming about that huge brown cockroach in the middle of the night? Do you squash it or talk to it trying to persuade it to at least go unnoticed around the house?


Ok Manolito, I will answer your question.
I make a distinction between a pest, (you can read that to mean anything that threatens my health or my life) and is in my personal space as you rightly say.

So with a cockroach, a fly, a mosquito, there is no doubt, I don't kill it because I feel superior, that as a human I could dash out death. I feel that it is a threat to my comfort, my health, my life. That is the only reason why i would be COMPLELLED to kill, not because I don't fancy a snail in my garden.

What about if you and I were snails, and all we ever did was to feed on some bit of crappy leaf in a damp Swiss garden, when somebody would mmet death out to us, because we were eating what nature has put at out disposal to survive.
Just imagine what we would have to say about humans, who destroy anything in sight. They think so little of us thast that thery find it pleasurable to step on us and crush us to death, simply because we aeist in their garden.
What a way to think.

My wish from my childhood days was always that if there was ever an afterlife, where we would all be alive again, the animals would have the power to torture the killers of animals, especially the butchers for what they did to them in this life. Although I am no sadist, I hope that these humans would go through the same suffering and humiliation that they have caused to these animals!!
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antcus
St Paul's Bay, Majjistral Malta
Posted: May 16, 2008, 6:14 PM CST
rusty_knight wrote:
Yup - but I am further up the food chain than your average slug..it takes several hundred thousand slug lives to keep me going over a period of decades!


All the more reason why you should give that slug a chance.

Oh, and food chains are for the animal kingdom.

If we were civilised enough, we would not contemplate killing (taking away the only life of that animal) just to have the pleasure of eating its flesh. It makes me shiver to think that there are still such barbarians around called butchers, who become rich killing animals, spilling the blood of innocent animals on the floor, and selling their flesh, just to fill their pockets. And to think that it is not the first time that after being served as food, the flesh is thrown away uneaten. Just think why that animal had to die....to be thrown away!!!

Shocking

Death to all the butchers of the world.
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wedward
linz, Upper Austria Austria
Posted: May 17, 2008, 12:11 AM CST
Conrad73 wrote:
Hedgehog Diseases There are many diseases common to hedgehogs.These include cancer, fatty liver disease, and cardiovascular disease.

Cancer is very common in hedgehogs. The most common is squamous cell carcinoma. Squamous cell spreads quickly from the bone to the organs in hedgehogs, unlike in humans. Surgery to remove the tumors is rare because it would result in removing too much bone structure.

Fatty liver disease is believed by many to be caused by bad diet. Hedgehogs will eagerly eat foods that are high in fat and sugar. Having a metabolism adapted for low-fat, protein-rich insects, this leads to common problems of obesity. Fatty liver disease is one sign, heart disease is another.

Hedgehogs uncommonly transmit a characteristic fungal skin infection to human handlers as well as other hedgehogs. This ringworm or dermatophytosis infection is caused by Trichophyton erinacei, which forms a distinct mating group within the Arthroderma benhamiae species complex.
--thanks conrad i never knew al that about hedgehogs i suppose all wid creatures suffer in much the same way as humans but do they find natural medicines in the wild to cure themselves
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Conrad73
Lonesome Town Zurich , Zrich Switzerland
Posted: May 17, 2008, 3:00 AM CST
wedward wrote:
--thanks conrad i never knew al that about hedgehogs i suppose all wid creatures suffer in much the same way as humans but do they find natural medicines in the wild to cure themselves
Hi,When I looked it up,I was surprised myself.

One is around the House here now and then,see him running over the Road often.Good thing there isn't much traffic at night,being a residential Area.conversing wave
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wedward
linz, Upper Austria Austria
Posted: May 17, 2008, 3:06 AM CST
Conrad73 wrote:
Hi,When I looked it up,I was surprised myself.

One is around the House here now and then,see him running over the Road often.Good thing there isn't much traffic at night,being a residential Area.
thats just great nature is wonderful and to see it close up super
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Conrad73
Lonesome Town Zurich , Zrich Switzerland
Posted: May 17, 2008, 3:36 AM CST
smoky wrote:
Exactly my sentiments Elley! ... I even went out and bought two very nice "Slug Pubs" specially for them ...... Free Beer, they can drink as much as they like - I think that is a very kind thing I did, huh?
They even more crazy over beer than my son! .. or about even anyway! Now, I got a rather large garden, so the problem I was confronted with was Where to position the two pubs (only two cause they sold out so quick .. if I`d a known how much slugs like beer I would have bought 30 - but then I`d have to buy a crate of beer a month for the slugs, which means my son would have to donate one of his 4 ..... ) Anyway, I put the two Slug Pubs right in the middle of my hemp patch ... and you know what?... the slugs prefer beer to hemp ... flippin little alcoholics .... they deserve whatever happens to them! Wonder if Hedgie will like beer marinated slugs?
You could probably get as much stale Beer from the Local Pub as you need,they only pour the Leftovers away anyhow,no sense sacrificing the Good Stuff!!laugh grin sigh
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wedward
linz, Upper Austria Austria
Posted: May 17, 2008, 6:03 AM CST
Conrad73 wrote:
You could probably get as much stale Beer from the Local Pub as you need,they only pour the Leftovers away anyhow,no sense sacrificing the Good Stuff!!
beer they can have my rioja neverdrinking wine cool
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Conrad73
Lonesome Town Zurich , Zrich Switzerland
Posted: May 17, 2008, 6:26 AM CST
antcus wrote:
Ok Manolito, I will answer your question.
I make a distinction between a pest, (you can read that to mean anything that threatens my health or my life) and is in my personal space as you rightly say.

So with a cockroach, a fly, a mosquito, there is no doubt, I don't kill it because I feel superior, that as a human I could dash out death. I feel that it is a threat to my comfort, my health, my life. That is the only reason why i would be COMPLELLED to kill, not because I don't fancy a snail in my garden.

What about if you and I were snails, and all we ever did was to feed on some bit of crappy leaf in a damp Swiss garden, when somebody would mmet death out to us, because we were eating what nature has put at out disposal to survive.
Just imagine what we would have to say about humans, who destroy anything in sight. They think so little of us thast that thery find it pleasurable to step on us and crush us to death, simply because we aeist in their garden.
What a way to think.

My wish from my childhood days was always that if there was ever an afterlife, where we would all be alive again, the animals would have the power to torture the killers of animals, especially the butchers for what they did to them in this life. Although I am no sadist, I hope that these humans would go through the same suffering and humiliation that they have caused to these animals!!
Weeeell,ain't that Special,the Swissies growing Crappy Foliage in their Damp Gardensrolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing dropping jaw
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Conrad73
Lonesome Town Zurich , Zrich Switzerland
Posted: May 17, 2008, 6:27 AM CST
wedward wrote:
beer they can have my rioja never
thumbs up grin laugh
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smoky
Unterland, Zrich Switzerland
Posted: May 17, 2008, 8:50 AM CST
Conrad73 wrote:
Weeeell,ain't that Special,the Swissies growing Crappy Foliage in their Damp Gardens


Yes, damn cheek huh? Antcus - I bet on the whole of your silly little island there is not as much fruit and vegetables growing as there is growing in my tiny little village! People here grow proper food to eat. And the surplus is bottled/preserved, or stored in our Natural Cellars for winter-time.

So, being such a nature-lover, I am guessing you are Big-Time involved with conservation over on your island? ... helping to protect the indigenous birds from being shot for fun, or caged on rooftops in the hot sun? or hanging from walls in the dingy alley-ways in all weather with green gungy water dishes and cages full of old crap? I am believing that there is some hope now for your poor birds.

I witnessed a couple of domestic type birds suffering in a cage outside a "pet shop" there, so bad I thought of buying them, but could not bring them home here. On re-telling their pathetic tale to someone here they said I should have bought them, taken them out the cage, killed them, and handed them back to the shop and said "Here, now their suffering is over". Damn I didn`t think of that at the time!

If you could see the amount of slugs crawling around the place here .... they sometimes make pathways impossible to walk on! .... Their profilicy is due to people not using poisons on them - to save the birdlife, which is well fed... too well fed!
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antcus
St Paul's Bay, Majjistral Malta
Posted: May 17, 2008, 10:16 AM CST
smoky wrote:
Yes, damn cheek huh? Antcus - I bet on the whole of your silly little island there is not as much fruit and vegetables growing as there is growing in my tiny little village! People here grow proper food to eat. And the surplus is bottled/preserved, or stored in our Natural Cellars for winter-time.

So, being such a nature-lover, I am guessing you are Big-Time involved with conservation over on your island? ... helping to protect the indigenous birds from being shot for fun, or caged on rooftops in the hot sun? or hanging from walls in the dingy alley-ways in all weather with green gungy water dishes and cages full of old crap? I am believing that there is some hope now for your poor birds.

I witnessed a couple of domestic type birds suffering in a cage outside a "pet shop" there, so bad I thought of buying them, but could not bring them home here. On re-telling their pathetic tale to someone here they said I should have bought them, taken them out the cage, killed them, and handed them back to the shop and said "Here, now their suffering is over". Damn I didn`t think of that at the time!

If you could see the amount of slugs crawling around the place here .... they sometimes make pathways impossible to walk on! .... Their profilicy is due to people not using poisons on them - to save the birdlife, which is well fed... too well fed!


Actually Smoky, your idea of giving them beer is the most fantastic idea I have ever heard so far. It is the exact equivalent of giving rope to somebody to hang himself. But seriously, if these slugs die enjoying a beer, then it is good luck to them. It must be a very pleasant death. Just like someone dying during a bonk I guess!!

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smoky
Unterland, Zrich Switzerland
Posted: May 17, 2008, 10:21 AM CST
antcus wrote:
Actually Smoky, your idea of giving them beer is the most fantastic idea I have ever heard so far. It is the exact equivalent of giving rope to somebody to hang himself. But seriously, if these slugs die enjoying a beer, then it is good luck to them. It must be a very pleasant death. Just like someone dying during a bonk I guess!!


Okay, good! So I have convinced you at last! At least they dont turn into slime ... they look very sublime and rather happy about it - I think.... All I know is that I got to keep topping up the pubs every day they drink so much!cheers
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wedward
linz, Upper Austria Austria
Posted: May 17, 2008, 10:27 AM CST
smoky wrote:
Okay, good! So I have convinced you at last! At least they dont turn into slime ... they look very sublime and rather happy about it - I think.... All I know is that I got to keep topping up the pubs every day they drink so much!
--- give them beer smokyrolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing
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Posted: May 17, 2008, 7:30 PM CST
You know a person I met on this site said to me in conversation once
" I do not even kill flies" --- sooooo sooo simple But!--- food for much thought

---" I do not kill flies
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wedward
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Posted: May 17, 2008, 10:35 PM CST
CuspofMagic wrote:
You know a person I met on this site said to me in conversation once
" I do not even kill flies" --- sooooo sooo simple But!--- food for much thought

---" I do not kill flies
everything/and everybody on this planet kills something
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CuspofMagic
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Posted: May 18, 2008, 2:37 AM CST
wedward wrote:
everything/and everybody on this planet kills something


--- perhaps its time we stopped
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wedward
linz, Upper Austria Austria
Posted: May 18, 2008, 3:00 AM CST
CuspofMagic wrote:
--- perhaps its time we stopped
now that is a super quote , thanks cm for that
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