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CAMEL CRUELTY & GEORGE BUSH

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smoky
Unterland, Zrich Switzerland
Posted: Jul 21, 2008, 2:12 AM CST
Hey guys, I just heard this from someone I know living in Iran..... and if its realy realy TRUE, then I want the world to know about it......!

Apparently Bush visited Iran, and objected to the children being Camel Jockeys?... And now America is supplying "Electronic Jockeys" to the Iranians. This is a remote controlled device mounted on the camels back, with a whip - the strength of which would flay the skin off any animal other than a camel (which has a very thick hide).

The terrible part of this is that the camel owner is free to operate this device whenever and for as long as he wants to make his camel run faster .... but this device keeps hitting in the same spot and causes terrible sores and incredible pain to the animal....... The welfare of camels is not the concern of Anyone!
Yay for George Bush! Could he not have simply banned camel racing?

PS. The publicity about the children being "forced" to become camel jockeys is false - it is a livelyhood enjoyed by many and earned them money ... in a country where these families had no other income.
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Manolito
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Posted: Jul 21, 2008, 2:15 AM CST
u serious? it sounds like a half-finished joke on first read...
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Conrad73
Lonesome Town Zurich , Zrich Switzerland
Posted: Jul 21, 2008, 2:49 AM CST
smoky wrote:
Hey guys, I just heard this from someone I know living in Iran..... and if its realy realy TRUE , then I want the world to know about it......!

Apparently Bush visited Iran, and objected to the children being Camel Jockeys?... And now America is supplying "Electronic Jockeys" to the Iranians. This is a remote controlled device mounted on the camels back, with a whip - the strength of which would flay the skin off any animal other than a camel (which has a very thick hide).

The terrible part of this is that the camel owner is free to operate this device whenever and for as long as he wants to make his camel run faster .... but this device keeps hitting in the same spot and causes terrible sores and incredible pain to the animal....... The welfare of camels is not the concern of Anyone!
Yay for George Bush! Could he not have simply banned camel racing?

PS. The publicity about the children being "forced" to become camel jockeys is false - it is a livelyhood enjoyed by many and earned them money ... in a country where these families had no other income.
A Sitting US-President visiting Iran??????dunno confused dropping jaw
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Conrad73
Lonesome Town Zurich , Zrich Switzerland
Posted: Jul 21, 2008, 3:01 AM CST
smoky wrote:
Hey guys, I just heard this from someone I know living in Iran..... and if its realy realy TRUE , then I want the world to know about it......!

Apparently Bush visited Iran, and objected to the children being Camel Jockeys?... And now America is supplying "Electronic Jockeys" to the Iranians. This is a remote controlled device mounted on the camels back, with a whip - the strength of which would flay the skin off any animal other than a camel (which has a very thick hide).

The terrible part of this is that the camel owner is free to operate this device whenever and for as long as he wants to make his camel run faster .... but this device keeps hitting in the same spot and causes terrible sores and incredible pain to the animal....... The welfare of camels is not the concern of Anyone!
Yay for George Bush! Could he not have simply banned camel racing?

PS. The publicity about the children being "forced" to become camel jockeys is false - it is a livelyhood enjoyed by many and earned them money ... in a country where these families had no other income.
GOOGLING "Camel Jockeys" tells a bit of a different Story.
It tells about Abductions Childslavery and Abuse over most of the Emirates and Saudi-Arabia.
Reports by UNICEF World Vision,BBC and others.
Unless,of Course all those Reports are false.conversing wave
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smoky
Unterland, Zrich Switzerland
Posted: Jul 21, 2008, 6:36 AM CST
Conrad73 wrote:
GOOGLING "Camel Jockeys" tells a bit of a different Story.
It tells about Abductions Childslavery and Abuse over most of the Emirates and Saudi-Arabia.
Reports by UNICEF World Vision,BBC and others.
Unless,of Course all those Reports are false.


Okay, I know you been given some homework to do here, sorry about that. I`m an unbeliever of media news - this just came to me from people living there.dunno confused
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MARTI
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Posted: Jul 21, 2008, 7:38 AM CST
How cruel can some inventors be to please others and be financially well provided.

This 'Electronic Camel Device' has to be BANNED a.s.a.p. professor conversing crying
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smoky
Unterland, Zrich Switzerland
Posted: Jul 21, 2008, 9:11 AM CST
Conrad73 wrote:
A Sitting US-President visiting Iran??????


Well... I`m not sure how much actual sitting he`s doing? ... Seems he`s always poking his nose up the a-hole of other countries ........to "improve" them ....or "help" them ..... or whatever it is he does regularly, when he`s not making speeches that sound like he wrote them himself....?dunno
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smoky
Unterland, Zrich Switzerland
Posted: Jul 21, 2008, 9:35 AM CST
APOLOGIES TO GEORGE BUSH ...... Rather blame the Swiss!

I been searching for some verification of this story, and have found this on Google ......

By Michael Theodoulou
HE WILL not have to watch his weight. He will not fear a fall. He cannot be exploited. And camel-racing enthusiasts in Qatar are said to have been impressed by robo-jockey’s first trial run.
The robotic jockey is now set to replace his flesh-and-blood equivalent after the Government announced this week that it was banning child jockeys.

The sport, a favourite in the Gulf region, has faced widespread criticism from human rights organisations. Most of the jockeys used are children brought in mainly from the Indian sub-continent. Many of them are said to have been kidnapped or bought from desperate parents by unscrupulous traffickers, and there are allegations that they face exploitation and virtual slavery.

The remote-controlled jockey, which costs just under $5,500 (£2,850), is being developed by a Swiss firm at a cost of $1.37 million in an experiment sponsored by the Qatari Government, which has the property rights.

The device, made of titan-ium, is designed to look like a small human armed with an electronic whip. It is controlled from the touchlines by an armchair jockey manning a joystick and computer screen.

More sophisticated models will be equipped with cameras in their eye sockets that will transmit a jockey’s-eye view of the racetrack back to the controller. An earlier, more rudimentary version was said to have been a great success when it was used in a trial several months ago.

To ensure the robotic jockeys are widely used, the organising committee of camel races is buying 100 of the devices and will rent them out at prices subsidised by the Government. Rich racing enthusiasts are likely to invest heavily in upgrading the robots to secure an advantage over their competitors.

“It is a novel technological idea,” a Western diplomat in Doha, the Qatari capital, said. “Qatar is trying to present itself as a leader in all fields and they are willing to give things a go. They have so much money.”

Sheikh Hamad bin Jassem bin Faisal al-Thani, the committee’s president, said that the drive to replace humans with machines was not in response to protests by human rights groups at the exploitation of child jockeys. He said that Qatar had never abused child camel jockeys, who were Sudanese that had entered the country legally accompanied by their parents or guardians.

He welcomed this week’s Cabinet decision to ban the bringing, hiring and training of children in camel races.

It was a “sound decision . . . especially as we are in the last phase of readying the robot jockey”, he said, adding that it was in line with Qatar’s moves to entrench a culture of human rights.

The Qatari Government did not specify the age under which children would be excluded from the sport, but an official said this year that a Bill was being drafted that would ban hiring people under the age of 18.

...........................................

Maybe the people in Iran are a bit hysterical over Bushy and blame him for everything? Looks like the Swiss are manufacturing these machines ...... evil Swissies!
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plinyelder
Luxembourg Luxembourg
Posted: Jul 21, 2008, 9:52 AM CST
smoky wrote:
Hey guys, I just heard this from someone I know living in Iran..... and if its realy realy TRUE , then I want the world to know about it......!

Apparently Bush visited Iran, and objected to the children being Camel Jockeys?... And now America is supplying "Electronic Jockeys" to the Iranians. This is a remote controlled device mounted on the camels back, with a whip - the strength of which would flay the skin off any animal other than a camel (which has a very thick hide).

The terrible part of this is that the camel owner is free to operate this device whenever and for as long as he wants to make his camel run faster .... but this device keeps hitting in the same spot and causes terrible sores and incredible pain to the animal....... The welfare of camels is not the concern of Anyone!
Yay for George Bush! Could he not have simply banned camel racing?

PS. The publicity about the children being "forced" to become camel jockeys is false - it is a livelyhood enjoyed by many and earned them money ... in a country where these families had no other income.


Smoky, Bush may never have travelled outside his ranch and the the white house. But when a person like bush is in power, as in Hitler's or Stalin's time, a lot of malicious crunching and biting creatures come out of the woodwork. Theirs is the golden age. An infestation of the globe with murderous agents and weapons. AND THEY TAKE MUCH PLEASURE IN DOING IT!!

The point you make is a seriously valid point even if it is apocryphal. Evil begets evil. Another point you make is about child labour in underdeveloped countries. Anybody who has the slightest acquaintance with economic history from the Industrial revolution - in fact anybody who has read Dickens - will know that this child labour agonising is completely false; not just false but purposefully false.

Alright, child labour is abhorrent. How about the abhorrence of the hundreds of millions of undeveloped countries in Africa, Asia, South America and elsewhere where human beings, yes humans like you and I, are practically slave labourers who in fact die from hunger not floggings.

I live in a milieu where social climbing people people join the WWF and Save the Whale fund etc. etc. simply in order to shake hands and sit at dinner with the Duke of Canterbury.

The misperceptions and outright hypocrises are staggering. Even in this democratic age where people have access to information, they prefer ignorance and stylish modes of thinking.

Without child labour - child who has no recourse to education, nor recreation is a child doomed to fail, even die before adolescense. Have anybody who has been to the third world seen how children are the only source of hope and continuation of a grindingly poor family. (I'm sure many here have been to Thailand to abuse children and felt good about the exchange of money for services).

I thoroughly support your concern about Camels because in a profound way that is how the world's affluent people should be shocked into unentagling their thoughts and see the light - in the cold light of day.

plinyelder
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Conrad73
Lonesome Town Zurich , Zrich Switzerland
Posted: Jul 21, 2008, 11:38 AM CST
smoky wrote:
APOLOGIES TO GEORGE BUSH ...... Rather blame the Swiss!

I been searching for some verification of this story, and have found this on Google ......

By Michael Theodoulou
HE WILL not have to watch his weight. He will not fear a fall. He cannot be exploited. And camel-racing enthusiasts in Qatar are said to have been impressed by robo-jockey’s first trial run.
The robotic jockey is now set to replace his flesh-and-blood equivalent after the Government announced this week that it was banning child jockeys.

The sport, a favourite in the Gulf region, has faced widespread criticism from human rights organisations. Most of the jockeys used are children brought in mainly from the Indian sub-continent. Many of them are said to have been kidnapped or bought from desperate parents by unscrupulous traffickers, and there are allegations that they face exploitation and virtual slavery.

The remote-controlled jockey, which costs just under $5,500 (£2,850), is being developed by a Swiss firm at a cost of $1.37 million in an experiment sponsored by the Qatari Government, which has the property rights.

The device, made of titan-ium, is designed to look like a small human armed with an electronic whip. It is controlled from the touchlines by an armchair jockey manning a joystick and computer screen.

More sophisticated models will be equipped with cameras in their eye sockets that will transmit a jockey’s-eye view of the racetrack back to the controller. An earlier, more rudimentary version was said to have been a great success when it was used in a trial several months ago.

To ensure the robotic jockeys are widely used, the organising committee of camel races is buying 100 of the devices and will rent them out at prices subsidised by the Government. Rich racing enthusiasts are likely to invest heavily in upgrading the robots to secure an advantage over their competitors.

“It is a novel technological idea,” a Western diplomat in Doha, the Qatari capital, said. “Qatar is trying to present itself as a leader in all fields and they are willing to give things a go. They have so much money.”

Sheikh Hamad bin Jassem bin Faisal al-Thani, the committee’s president, said that the drive to replace humans with machines was not in response to protests by human rights groups at the exploitation of child jockeys. He said that Qatar had never abused child camel jockeys, who were Sudanese that had entered the country legally accompanied by their parents or guardians.

He welcomed this week’s Cabinet decision to ban the bringing, hiring and training of children in camel races.

It was a “sound decision . . . especially as we are in the last phase of readying the robot jockey”, he said, adding that it was in line with Qatar’s moves to entrench a culture of human rights.

The Qatari Government did not specify the age under which children would be excluded from the sport, but an official said this year that a Bill was being drafted that would ban hiring people under the age of 18.

...........................................

Maybe the people in Iran are a bit hysterical over Bushy and blame him for everything? Looks like the Swiss are manufacturing these machines ...... evil Swissies!
Well,then it is better to abuse Children from all over Africa?
They ought to ride the Owners,you know,Save A Camel,Ride An Owner!!!grin
Ought to stop Animal Races alltogether!!!!JMHOvery mad
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Conrad73
Lonesome Town Zurich , Zrich Switzerland
Posted: Jul 21, 2008, 11:42 AM CST
plinyelder wrote:
Smoky, Bush may never have travelled outside his ranch and the the white house. But when a person like bush is in power, as in Hitler's or Stalin's time, a lot of malicious crunching and biting creatures come out of the woodwork. Theirs is the golden age. An infestation of the globe with murderous agents and weapons. AND THEY TAKE MUCH PLEASURE IN DOING IT!!

The point you make is a seriously valid point even if it is apocryphal. Evil begets evil. Another point you make is about child labour in underdeveloped countries. Anybody who has the slightest acquaintance with economic history from the Industrial revolution - in fact anybody who has read Dickens - will know that this child labour agonising is completely false; not just false but purposefully false.

Alright, child labour is abhorrent. How about the abhorrence of the hundreds of millions of undeveloped countries in Africa, Asia, South America and elsewhere where human beings, yes humans like you and I, are practically slave labourers who in fact die from hunger not floggings.

I live in a milieu where social climbing people people join the WWF and Save the Whale fund etc. etc. simply in order to shake hands and sit at dinner with the Duke of Canterbury.

The misperceptions and outright hypocrises are staggering. Even in this democratic age where people have access to information, they prefer ignorance and stylish modes of thinking.

Without child labour - child who has no recourse to education, nor recreation is a child doomed to fail, even die before adolescense. Have anybody who has been to the third world seen how children are the only source of hope and continuation of a grindingly poor family. (I'm sure many here have been to Thailand to abuse children and felt good about the exchange of money for services).

I thoroughly support your concern about Camels because in a profound way that is how the world's affluent people should be shocked into unentagling their thoughts and see the light - in the cold light of day.

plinyelder
WE ARE BAAAAACK!!!!!!!!!!!uh oh!
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Conrad73
Lonesome Town Zurich , Zrich Switzerland
Posted: Jul 21, 2008, 11:57 AM CST
smoky wrote:
APOLOGIES TO GEORGE BUSH ...... Rather blame the Swiss!

I been searching for some verification of this story, and have found this on Google ......

By Michael Theodoulou
HE WILL not have to watch his weight. He will not fear a fall. He cannot be exploited. And camel-racing enthusiasts in Qatar are said to have been impressed by robo-jockey’s first trial run.
The robotic jockey is now set to replace his flesh-and-blood equivalent after the Government announced this week that it was banning child jockeys.

The sport, a favourite in the Gulf region, has faced widespread criticism from human rights organisations. Most of the jockeys used are children brought in mainly from the Indian sub-continent. Many of them are said to have been kidnapped or bought from desperate parents by unscrupulous traffickers, and there are allegations that they face exploitation and virtual slavery.

The remote-controlled jockey, which costs just under $5,500 (£2,850), is being developed by a Swiss firm at a cost of $1.37 million in an experiment sponsored by the Qatari Government, which has the property rights.

The device, made of titan-ium, is designed to look like a small human armed with an electronic whip. It is controlled from the touchlines by an armchair jockey manning a joystick and computer screen.

More sophisticated models will be equipped with cameras in their eye sockets that will transmit a jockey’s-eye view of the racetrack back to the controller. An earlier, more rudimentary version was said to have been a great success when it was used in a trial several months ago.

To ensure the robotic jockeys are widely used, the organising committee of camel races is buying 100 of the devices and will rent them out at prices subsidised by the Government. Rich racing enthusiasts are likely to invest heavily in upgrading the robots to secure an advantage over their competitors.

“It is a novel technological idea,” a Western diplomat in Doha, the Qatari capital, said. “Qatar is trying to present itself as a leader in all fields and they are willing to give things a go. They have so much money.”

Sheikh Hamad bin Jassem bin Faisal al-Thani, the committee’s president, said that the drive to replace humans with machines was not in response to protests by human rights groups at the exploitation of child jockeys. He said that Qatar had never abused child camel jockeys, who were Sudanese that had entered the country legally accompanied by their parents or guardians.

He welcomed this week’s Cabinet decision to ban the bringing, hiring and training of children in camel races.

It was a “sound decision . . . especially as we are in the last phase of readying the robot jockey”, he said, adding that it was in line with Qatar’s moves to entrench a culture of human rights.

The Qatari Government did not specify the age under which children would be excluded from the sport, but an official said this year that a Bill was being drafted that would ban hiring people under the age of 18.

...........................................

Maybe the people in Iran are a bit hysterical over Bushy and blame him for everything? Looks like the Swiss are manufacturing these machines ...... evil Swissies!
Now we're getting blamed for being goo Engineers too?
If those Owners had played by the Rules and Human Rights Conventions those Machines would have never been built.
I will post some URLs later in the Evening about those Violations!conversing wave
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plinyelder
Luxembourg Luxembourg
Posted: Jul 21, 2008, 12:13 PM CST
Conrad73 wrote:
Well,then it is better to abuse Children from all over Africa?
They ought to ride the Owners,you know,Save A Camel,Ride An Owner!!!
Ought to stop Animal Races alltogether!!!!JMHO


It is a question of power - absolute power of the absolutely rich against the absolutely poor.

There are many legends about the Garden of Eden with its kind natured animals...and of course its snake. Pure mythology of ofcourse but people have forever wondered what let out the evil that exists in our present world.

Smart talk does not bring any revelation. Nor does opposition to infamy bring any solution. I will desist from talking of rich Arab proclivities. But in my view, just the fact of living over oceans of crude oil, does not give them any legitimacy to anything whatsoever.
Their slave trade over Africa; their depredations of Africa; their total disregard for decentness - encouraged by Bush - have made them more hated a people than Americans.

Let's not talk technology and phony governments who ok vile practices. Recognise simply that that there not five sides to an issue but only two. Accept or say no. Never again.

We face moral issues everyday in our lives and very often we make compromises. But when it comes to issues afar, we tend to be frivilous and totally uncaring. I have heard so many drawing room conversations skipping from subject to subject, always ending with a laugh or a witticism, about people ground into the dust.

Your ''solid research' into the subject only shames you. It's all about info-technology, right? Noy a single personal opinion! Not a single human sentiment.

Go back to your hole and research more - you will no doubt find out the good reasons for all else that is evil on earth
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Conrad73
Lonesome Town Zurich , Zrich Switzerland
Posted: Jul 21, 2008, 3:27 PM CST
plinyelder wrote:
It is a question of power - absolute power of the absolutely rich against the absolutely poor.

There are many legends about the Garden of Eden with its kind natured animals...and of course its snake. Pure mythology of ofcourse but people have forever wondered what let out the evil that exists in our present world.

Smart talk does not bring any revelation. Nor does opposition to infamy bring any solution. I will desist from talking of rich Arab proclivities. But in my view, just the fact of living over oceans of crude oil, does not give them any legitimacy to anything whatsoever.
Their slave trade over Africa; their depredations of Africa; their total disregard for decentness - encouraged by Bush - have made them more hated a people than Americans.

Let's not talk technology and phony governments who ok vile practices. Recognise simply that that there not five sides to an issue but only two. Accept or say no. Never again.

We face moral issues everyday in our lives and very often we make compromises. But when it comes to issues afar, we tend to be frivilous and totally uncaring. I have heard so many drawing room conversations skipping from subject to subject, always ending with a laugh or a witticism, about people ground into the dust.

Your ''solid research' into the subject only shames you. It's all about info-technology, right? Noy a single personal opinion! Not a single human sentiment.

Go back to your hole and research more - you will no doubt find out the good reasons for all else that is evil on earth
Sunshine,you ain't for real!!!confused help grin
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