The Dutch language has a lot of French, Spanish, Jidish, German and English

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hollandgirl Okanagan Valley B.C. Canada, British Columbia Canada
Someone mentioned something incorrect on here.
The Dutch language is a tutti fruti of many languages.
During the 17-18th century the middle class spoke French.
Concequintly a lot stayed in the language.
Today a lot of people don't even realize how much French is in the Dutch language. It has so been incorporated now.
The Dutch were occupied by the Spanish for 80 years so some Spanish stayed.
Many Jews stayed in the Netherlands.
So often I hear that Dutch and German is the same.
Oh la la I wished!
In school the students get a year more of German than of English.

Yes many Dutch know several languages like they have to in business as Holland has to import and also does a lot of export with other countries.






shot3743 Vidin, Vidin Bulgaria
I've been to Holland many times (OK I know its proper name is The Netherlands but I found that so many Dutch people themselves talked about their country as Holland, so I stopped being careful about that. Previously I had been very careful in that regard as I hate it when people refer to Scotland as if it were somehow a part of England).
Anyway I've been there many many times and I love the country and the Dutch people.
They are so resourceful and have a high standard of living through brains and effort, having no natural resources except for some North Sea gas and oil. They almost all speak fluent English, better than some English people I've met over the years!!
rolling on the floor laughing
Last time I was in Amsterdam the tram conductress and I had a conversation. I'll never forget how effortless and fluent her command of English was, and she was charming and good-looking as well. Another time I had a chat with a traffic warden about the best place to park the van. Same thing. Friendly, intelligent, fluent English. Amazing. And I bet they speak German as well.
cristina Lisbon, Groningen Netherlands
Having more German than English at school? I don't think it's true nowadaysconfused
English sounds more familiar to them than German! All Dutch seem to be bi-langue: Dutch and English but you can find Dutch people affirming they don't speak Germandunno



shot3743 Vidin, Vidin Bulgaria
cristina: Having more German than English at school? I don't think it's true nowadays
English sounds more familiar to them than German! All Dutch seem to be bi-langue: Dutch and English but you can find Dutch people affirming they don't speak German


Yeah that happened to me in Holland and in Sweden too! Once I was in Copenhagen and took the ferry over to Malmo and thought I'd get on better in German. No way! They professed not to understand, so I quickly got the message.
hollandgirl Okanagan Valley B.C. Canada, British Columbia Canada
Yes Holland has become populair instead of the Netherlands.
One reason it that there are two provinces that are called North and South Holland. The capital is there and is it where the queen resides.
When the Dutch first got TV the programs that were worth watching were all in German, so natural many learned German that way.
Funny when last in Holland I watched Jerry Springer or Oprah. Here I was reading the translations instead of just listening.
I have been told that I speak now old fashioned Dutch and have and English accent. Yes when speaking Engllsh I still have my Dutch accent.
When I came to Canada in '58 I only knew three words in English.
Yes, no, and money. The third one is a joke.
For some unexplained reason the Dutch today are the tallest people in the world.
Lol it by passed me at 5/2 my dad told me he did not kick me enough.
Yes I have been a Canadian since '63 but my in my heart I will always be Dutch as it was there my cradle stood.
Of course I am very proud of the Dutch of their ingenuity like when it comes to keeping their heads above water as 2/3 is below sea level.
Weird to see a ship in the distance above where your driving.
hollandgirl Okanagan Valley B.C. Canada, British Columbia Canada
cristina: Having more German than English at school? I don't think it's true nowadays
English sounds more familiar to them than German! All Dutch seem to be bi-langue: Dutch and English but you can find Dutch people affirming they don't speak German


No Cristine English is taught is the lower classes. This started about two years after I had left school.
German is not taught except if you go into higher education and it is then by choice.
It is that many in the US and also in Canada, believe that Dutch and German is almost the same.
Not true, yes some words are but that is all.
Ulimaroa Cologne, Nordrhein-Westfalen Germany
hollandgirl Okanagan Valley B.C. Canada, British Columbia Canada
hollandgirl: No Cristine English is taught is the lower classes. This started about two years after I had left school.
German is not taught except if you go into higher education and it is then by choice.
It is that many in the US and also in Canada, believe that Dutch and German is almost the same.
Not true, yes some words are but that is all.


What amazes me is the many dialects that one does not understand the other.
I understand a dialect that I did not learn in school but on the street.
I married a Dutch man who did not understand a word of my dialect.
I have a Dutch friend who speaks 6 languages and had a totally different dialict than mine.
You have to realize this is in a country that takes you about three hours from North to South and your in Belgium, it is that small

Then there are the many accents. Cities that are less than 1/2 hour apart have a totally different accent.

I forgot in Holland we have two official languages Dutch and Frisian.
hollandgirl Okanagan Valley B.C. Canada, British Columbia Canada
Howdeeeee there girl. Happy New Year to you.
I never went to bed, well I did try and soon gave up.
Played German music and sang along with "Die Flippers" and Heintje, also my little Italian kid Robertino who brakes your glasses singing Mamma and O Solo mia* lol.
All can be found on Youtube.


Ulimaroa Cologne, Nordrhein-Westfalen Germany


violin dance So you had heaps of fun...
hollandgirl: Howdeeeee there girl. Happy New Year to you.
I never went to bed, well I did try and soon gave up.
Played German music and sang along with "Die Flippers" and Heintje, also my little Italian kid Robertino who brakes your glasses singing Mamma and O Solo mia* lol.
All can be found on Youtube.
cristina Lisbon, Groningen Netherlands
hollandgirl: What amazes me is the many dialects that one does not understand the other.
I understand a dialect that I did not learn in school but on the street.
I married a Dutch man who did not understand a word of my dialect.
I have a Dutch friend who speaks 6 languages and had a totally different dialict than mine.
You have to realize this is in a country that takes you about three hours from North to South and your in Belgium, it is that small

Then there are the many accents. Cities that are less than 1/2 hour apart have a totally different accent.

I forgot in Holland we have two official languages Dutch and Frisian.


drink pouring
hollandgirl Okanagan Valley B.C. Canada, British Columbia Canada
Cristina you are now no longer living in Holland are you?
I miss my raw herring and my fried fish at the market. My smoked eel and my croquetes and and and ohhhh..............help
cristina Lisbon, Groningen Netherlands
hollandgirl: Cristina you are now no longer living in Holland are you?
I miss my raw herring and my fried fish at the market. My smoked eel and my croquetes and and and ohhhh..............


I consider myself to be living there since i'm packing to go back. I'm on a transition here in Lisbon. What do you want me to send to you sweetheart?hug
Fried fish, yeeeeeeeeees, my lovely friend surprised me with that the first time i had one. The Dutch simply call you and say: "Come and eat with us/me, i bought fish especially for you!" Oh, they know how to treat and spoil people. 2009 Christmas, i got the most number of presents in my life when i was there. This year...one!laugh rolling on the floor laughing I get tears about your country. I was to choose one nationality, it would be Dutch! May i live long, i'll call myself Dutch!

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cristina Lisbon, Groningen Netherlands
cristina: I consider myself to be living there since i'm packing to go back. I'm on a transition here in Lisbon. What do you want me to send to you sweetheart?
Fried fish, yeeeeeeeeees, my lovely friend surprised me with that the first time i had one. The Dutch simply call you and say: "Come and eat with us/me, i bought fish especially for you!" Oh, they know how to treat and spoil people. 2009 Christmas, i got the most number of presents in my life when i was there. This year...one! I get tears about your country. I was to choose one nationality, it would be Dutch! May i live long, i'll call myself Dutch!


2007 Christmaslaugh
cristina Lisbon, Groningen Netherlands
hollandgirl: Cristina you are now no longer living in Holland are you?
I miss my raw herring and my fried fish at the market. My smoked eel and my croquetes and and and ohhhh..............


How about Poffertjes?smitten
breezee athens, Attica Greece
In response to: Someone mentioned something incorrect on here.
The Dutch language is a tutti fruti of many languages.
During the 17-18th century the middle class spoke French.
Concequintly a lot stayed in the language.
Today a lot of people don't even realize how much French is in the Dutch language. It has so been incorporated now.
The Dutch were occupied by the Spanish for 80 years so some Spanish stayed.
Many Jews stayed in the Netherlands.
So often I hear that Dutch and German is the same.
Oh la la I wished!
In school the students get a year more of German than of English.

Yes many Dutch know several languages like they have to in business as Holland has to import and also does a lot of export with other countries.
What, no Greek?????

So what are the Dutch words for philosophy, geometry, pharmacy, theatre, democracy, history...... (I know I'm being silly, Hollandgirl wave - can't resist plugging my own language..)

Hi Cris!! hug Seasons Greetings
cristina Lisbon, Groningen Netherlands
breezee: What, no Greek?????

So what are the Dutch words for philosophy, geometry, pharmacy, theatre, democracy, history...... (I know I'm being silly, Hollandgirl - can't resist plugging my own language..)

Hi Cris!! Seasons Greetings


No Greeksad flower tongue

Happy New Year to you too sweetieteddybear

Welcome backapplause
Channelwrongside Calais, Nord-Pas-de-Calais France
hollandgirl: What amazes me is the many dialects that one does not understand the other..
.........
I forgot in Holland we have two official languages Dutch and Frisian.


Hello how about "plattendeutsch" also called low german or low saxon ?
Is it now one of those dialect or should we say language ? you are referring to ?
guiriman south of milan, Lombardy Italy
je pienso smuck das good..cheers <----why have these cheering things stopped cheering?..dunno
tracker465 Gettysburg, Pennsylvania USA
Hmm, Frisian is a language of itself, more closely related to old English than to the other Germanic languages. There are only a few small remaining groups of people which speak the Frisian language, which now consists of about 3 different major dialect groups, which can then be subdivided even further. The west Frisian (Frysk) dialect located in Eastern Netherlands of course has the most speakers. The dialects spoken in Germany of Frisian are often considered by many Germans (to my surprise) to be German dialects, although this is of course not true.

In regards to Dutch, German, Plattdeutsch and English. These languages are all closely related, although some to a greater extent than others. German and Dutch are very closely related, although it seems as though many people do not want to recognize the similarities due to political reasons, always looking for the differences. I have heard various things from a large number of people and sources, but the general tendancy seems to be, that Dutch and German are NOT mutually intelligable languages, although can be understood to a small extent. I have talked with several Dutch people which claim to be able to understand varying amounts of German, however most Germans that I speak with state that they cannot understand spoken Dutch but can read bits and pieces. An online source had stated that German and Dutch share maybe 80% of the vocabulary, although this souce was not scholarly and should be taken, only for what it is worth.

I am a native English speaker, although I have studied German for 3 years. I have a love for a few different Dutch and Belgian musicians (that sing in English, however), and this sometimes browse through the internet forums and see Dutch here and there. If there is a simple message being conveyed, usually I can understand it fairly well without consulting my dictionary. The Dutch grammar is also more similiar to German than to modern English, when one considers the verb placeage, verb conjugations, etc, although the Dutch grammar is more simplified than the German grammar. In regards to spoken Dutch, I rarely have the chance to listen to Dutch spoken, but I also have a few Dutch musicians which sing in Dutch (Marco Borsato, Maud), and I can understand more than one would expect. However, these are just my observations and I suspect that some of the largest differences are mainly political, although I do not want to step on anyone's toes with my observations...

I also know that there are some dialects of German and Dutch which lie between these two languages. Basically, what we have is a language/dialect continuum, and there are dialects of German which are spoken near the border of Germany/The Netherlands, and the same with Dutch. These dialects may share parts of both Dutch and German...kind of lying in between the two languages, with characteristics of both. Once again, it depends on which side of the border the dialect is spoken, as to whether it is classified as a Dutch or German dialect.
Plattdeutsch is 'Low German,' and is spoken in northern Germany...many of the words are more like Dutch or English, since they did not undergo the second gradual soundshift which the southern 'High German' dialects underwent.

I think many Americans think that Dutch and German are the same, because they do share a lot of vocabulary and grammar, but also because we have the Pennsylvania Dutch, which are actually a group of German-dialect-speaking people.

I am not a linguist, although a bit of a closet linguist you could say. Hopefully this information helps clear some confusions up. I am also studying Dutch to some extent, although the pronunciations of such sounds as 'ui', 'g', and 'ch' are always tripping me up laugh




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