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Apr 9, 2014 7:27 AM CSTDo you agree with Vigalante justice?
BadCompany709
BadCompany709BadCompany709clarenville, Newfoundland, Canada41 Threads 42 Polls 12 Posts

Do you agree with Vigalante justice?(Vote Below)

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No. That's what the law is there for
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36%
Yes. When the law fails to punish the guilty
26
59%
Vigalante justice should be used in all cases
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5%
Total Votes
44
There are criminals walking our streets who have gotten away with murder, rape and other serious crimes due to technicalities or loopholes in the law or just having a high priced lawyer. So what is your opinion of vigilante justice? Should we just let the legal system handle criminals who break the law or should we be allowed to take matters into our own hands and punish the guilty when the law fails to?
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Apr 9, 2014 8:03 AM CST Do you agree with Vigalante justice?
sirLarryIII
sirLarryIIIsirLarryIIIClump, Kildare Ireland72 Threads 9 Polls 2,016 Posts
Only if they are wearing an appropriate costume with a good color scheme and the underwear are safely worn over the pantsprofessor
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Apr 9, 2014 8:12 AM CST Do you agree with Vigalante justice?
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if everyone was to decide on the guilt or innocence of our neighbors, family, friends or strangers based on guesses, rumors, and suspicion where would our civilization end up?
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Apr 9, 2014 8:15 AM CST Do you agree with Vigalante justice?
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At the same time, life is not fair.
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Apr 9, 2014 8:23 AM CST Do you agree with Vigalante justice?
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In my opinion we as a people should NOT take matters into our own hands to punish the guilty - because the question becomes how do you know when the law fails?

Does it fail because in USA one is considered innocent until proven guilty and the standard is high - and if by jury it is a jury of one's peers.
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Apr 9, 2014 8:33 AM CST Do you agree with Vigalante justice?
Upsndowns
UpsndownsUpsndownsTruth or Consequences, New Mexico USA3 Posts
JeanKimberley: if everyone was to decide on the guilt or innocence of our neighbors, family, friends or strangers based on guesses, rumors, and suspicion where would our civilization end up?
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Apr 9, 2014 8:35 AM CST Do you agree with Vigalante justice?
Obstinance_Works
Obstinance_WorksObstinance_WorksManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK3 Threads 1 Polls 3,514 Posts


applause

Only toffs, enclavers and autists think you need a courtroom full of SWPLs to prove what a gang member is.
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Apr 9, 2014 8:36 AM CST Do you agree with Vigalante justice?
BadCompany709
BadCompany709BadCompany709clarenville, Newfoundland Canada41 Threads 42 Polls 12 Posts
JeanKimberley: In my opinion we as a people should NOT take matters into our own hands to punish the guilty - because the question becomes how do you know when the law fails?

Does it fail because in USA one is considered innocent until proven guilty and the standard is high - and if by jury it is a jury of one's peers.
But my point is that the person is 100% guilty but has gotten released on a technicality.
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Apr 9, 2014 8:39 AM CST Do you agree with Vigalante justice?
BadCompany709
BadCompany709BadCompany709clarenville, Newfoundland Canada41 Threads 42 Polls 12 Posts
jac379: If the law gets it wrong sometimes, I dread to think what you'd do.
And that's my point. Look at the OJ Simpson case as a very high profile example. He was clearly guilty of murdering his ex but got away with it. In a perfect world the families of his victims would be able to get revenge by having him meet with a similar fate and get away with it. Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth and blood for blood...
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Apr 9, 2014 8:47 AM CST Do you agree with Vigalante justice?
BadCompany709
BadCompany709BadCompany709clarenville, Newfoundland Canada41 Threads 42 Polls 12 Posts
I have little faith in the justice system anymore. The law seems to be there to protect the criminals and get them released on a technicality while many times innocent people are used as scapegoats and thrown in jail just so the police can close a case and make a victims family happy.
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Apr 9, 2014 8:52 AM CST Do you agree with Vigalante justice?
Obstinance_Works
Obstinance_WorksObstinance_WorksManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK3 Threads 1 Polls 3,514 Posts
Although I may be jumping the gun, if the economy gets worse and the welfare state goes bankrupt then the rich will lose their riot insurance and prevention.

If this happens then the bourgeoisie will soon drop their liberal, posturing front and maybe, just maybe, we will have a law enforcement that works and not one crafted to appease the conscience of effete SWPL librarians and social workers. We don't need a police force that acts like a liberal-pacifist activity and sports club.

We need a police force headed by the common man. Like this working class orphan who smashed the Sicilian mafia;

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Apr 9, 2014 8:58 AM CST Do you agree with Vigalante justice?
jac379
jac379jac379pontyclun, South Glamorgan, Wales UK25 Threads 3 Polls 12,293 Posts
BadCompany709: And that's my point. Look at the OJ Simpson case as a very high profile example. He was clearly guilty of murdering his ex but got away with it. In a perfect world the families of his victims would be able to get revenge by having him meet with a similar fate and get away with it. Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth and blood for blood...

I don't think you should be allowed to have your own nail clippers in case you hurt yourself.

I certainly don't think you should be allowed to go round killing people.

The law definitely has got that bit right.
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Apr 9, 2014 9:03 AM CST Do you agree with Vigalante justice?
jac379
jac379jac379pontyclun, South Glamorgan, Wales UK25 Threads 3 Polls 12,293 Posts
Obstinance_Works: Although I may be jumping the gun, if the economy gets worse and the welfare state goes bankrupt then the rich will lose their riot insurance and prevention.

If this happens then the bourgeoisie will soon drop their liberal, posturing front and maybe, just maybe, we will have a law enforcement that works and not one crafted to appease the conscience of effete SWPL librarians and social workers. We don't need a police force that acts like a liberal-pacifist activity and sports club.

We need a police force headed by the common man. Like this working class orphan who smashed the Sicilian mafia;


Hey, you might just have found an audience at last, Obs.

Just make sure BadCompany's not out without his carer, or off his leash when you don't want him on a killing spree, eh?
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Apr 9, 2014 9:25 AM CST Do you agree with Vigalante justice?
BadCompany709
BadCompany709BadCompany709clarenville, Newfoundland Canada41 Threads 42 Polls 12 Posts
Of course the problem with vigilante justice is how do you know if a person is really guilty? We see people perjure themselves and lie on the witness stand just to get an outcome that favors them and there have been cases where police have actually planted evidence to see someone convicted because they believe they are guilty or cause they may have gotten away with less serious crimes in the past. So vigilante justice might work 9/10 times but that 1 time you get an innocent victim who would unfairly be punished for a crime they did not commit.
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Apr 9, 2014 9:30 AM CST Do you agree with Vigalante justice?
Obstinance_Works
Obstinance_WorksObstinance_WorksManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK3 Threads 1 Polls 3,514 Posts
jac379: Hey, you might just have found an audience at last, Obs.

Just make sure BadCompany's not out without his carer, or off his leash when you don't want him on a killing spree, eh?


You really think the people on here reflect people in general? What goes against the grain on here is not what goes against the grain on a council estate let me assure you of that.

Proles don't really talk about issues, and even when they do, they do not do so online. So I'm asking you to be aware that CS is naturally SWPL, shut-in, enclaver or nerd centric, and to not extrapolate from here a general consensus of the populaton total because you would be bang wrong in doing so.

And for the record, I like that you talk about and analyse things - it's one of the things I like about you despite growing up in a world made dark and sinister because of people who think just like you do - but it's the conclusions you draw from the analysis where you make the mistake. And this touches upon why people don't like Marxists and Liberals - because you always lose. If you were so smart and so educated then why do you lose so goddamn always?
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Apr 9, 2014 9:37 AM CST Do you agree with Vigalante justice?
serene56
serene56serene56Myplace, New South Wales Australia543 Threads 10 Polls 27,954 Posts
Obstinance_Works: You really think the people on here reflect people in general? What goes against the grain on here is not what goes against the grain on a council estate let me assure you of that.

Proles don't really talk about issues, and even when they do, they do not do so online. So I'm asking you to be aware that CS is naturally SWPL, shut-in, enclaver or nerd centric, and to not extrapolate from here a general consensus of the populaton total because you would be bang wrong in doing so.

And for the record, I like that you talk about and analyse things - it's one of the things I like about you despite growing up in a world made dark and sinister because of people who think just like you do - but it's the conclusions you draw from the analysis where you make the mistake. And this touches upon why people don't like Marxists and Liberals - because you always lose. If you were so smart and so educated then why do you lose so goddamn always?


Perhaps it's the company she keeps sad flower
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Apr 9, 2014 9:39 AM CST Do you agree with Vigalante justice?
jac379
jac379jac379pontyclun, South Glamorgan, Wales UK25 Threads 3 Polls 12,293 Posts
Obstinance_Works: You really think the people on here reflect people in general? What goes against the grain on here is not what goes against the grain on a council estate let me assure you of that.

Proles don't really talk about issues, and even when they do, they do not do so online. So I'm asking you to be aware that CS is naturally SWPL, shut-in, enclaver or nerd centric, and to not extrapolate from here a general consensus of the populaton total because you would be bang wrong in doing so.

And for the record, I like that you talk about and analyse things - it's one of the things I like about you despite growing up in a world made dark and sinister because of people who think just like you do - but it's the conclusions you draw from the analysis where you make the mistake. And this touches upon why people don't like Marxists and Liberals - because you always lose. If you were so smart and so educated then why do you lose so goddamn always?

I grew up on a council estate, spent nearly half my life on one.

So who's extrapolating incorrectly now? laugh
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Apr 9, 2014 10:04 AM CST Do you agree with Vigalante justice?
Obstinance_Works
Obstinance_WorksObstinance_WorksManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK3 Threads 1 Polls 3,514 Posts
jac379: I grew up on a council estate, spent nearly half my life on one.

So who's extrapolating incorrectly now?


Being one of Thatcher's lower middle class may explain your social attitudes. There are quite a few of those former working class types who through guilt or whatever espouse this leftoidian worldview as a form of, to borrow from Maddog, misplaced empathy. A way for the nouveau bourgeoisie to believe that you still stand for the poor and the beaten down.

I'm assuming you're telling me the truth here, and if so then you must know that your extreme emphasis on individualism, your liberalism and political correctness is enclaver through and through and is completely at odds with the sense of community, sameness and social conservatism of the proles? If you ever came from the poor, then you must know that the poor think and act nothing like social workers and hipsters.
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Apr 9, 2014 10:05 AM CST Do you agree with Vigalante justice?
Obstinance_Works
Obstinance_WorksObstinance_WorksManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK3 Threads 1 Polls 3,514 Posts
serene56: Perhaps it's the company she keeps


I would suspect so. I also think that because Jac is intelligent she likes to be intelligent in her own unique way, meaning that she has the ideology of the intellectual playground and not one that accords with the mundane facts of reality.
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Apr 9, 2014 10:12 AM CST Do you agree with Vigalante justice?
jac379
jac379jac379pontyclun, South Glamorgan, Wales UK25 Threads 3 Polls 12,293 Posts
Obstinance_Works: Being one of Thatcher's lower middle class may explain your social attitudes. There are quite a few of those former working class types who through guilt or whatever espouse this leftoidian worldview as a form of, to borrow from Maddog, misplaced empathy. A way for the nouveau bourgeoisie to believe that you still stand for the poor and the beaten down.

I'm assuming you're telling me the truth here, and if so then you must know that your extreme emphasis on individualism, your liberalism and political correctness is enclaver through and through and is completely at odds with the sense of community, sameness and social conservatism of the proles? If you ever came from the poor, then you must know that the poor think and act nothing like social workers and hipsters.

rolling on the floor laughing
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Apr 9, 2014 10:40 AM CST Do you agree with Vigalante justice?
Obstinance_Works
Obstinance_WorksObstinance_WorksManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK3 Threads 1 Polls 3,514 Posts
It's true, the Left in this country, in the US and elsewhere is riddled with Marxistic enclavers who think just like you Jac.

And the old trade unionists of industry who didn't make it off the council estate, where can they be found today? In UKIP. The Libertarian party the bourgeoise Left despises. And do you know why Nigel Farage is popular amongst the proles? Because of telling people what they need and what they think, he asks them.

And Hipster always laugh when they come across earthy types who tell them what they don't want to hear. Which is why libtards populate the recesses of the internet and steer clear of the street, because on the spergy interweb forum the hipster usually wins, but on the street the Hipster dies.

I assure you Jac, if you were male and talked like you did in a working class boozer, they would stamp on your skull.
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Apr 9, 2014 10:42 AM CST Do you agree with Vigalante justice?
reb56
reb56reb56carthage, Missouri USA55 Polls 8,629 Posts
Obstinance_Works: It's true, the Left in this country, in the US and elsewhere is riddled with Marxistic enclavers who think just like you Jac.

And the old trade unionists of industry who didn't make it off the council estate, where can they be found today? In UKIP. The Libertarian party the bourgeoise Left despises. And do you know why Nigel Farage is popular amongst the proles? Because of telling people what they need and what they think, he asks them.

And Hipster always laugh when they come across earthy types who tell them what they don't want to hear. Which is why libtards populate the recesses of the internet and steer clear of the street, because on the spergy interweb forum the hipster usually wins, but on the street the Hipster dies.

I assure you Jac, if you were male and talked like you did in a working class boozer, they would stamp on your skull.
lawyers voted no,they need the business.
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Apr 9, 2014 10:55 AM CST Do you agree with Vigalante justice?
RayfromUSA
RayfromUSARayfromUSAvienne, Rhone-Alpes France86 Threads 29 Polls 6,611 Posts
Poll: Do you agree with Vigalante justice?

Only when it's appropriate.
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Apr 9, 2014 10:56 AM CST Do you agree with Vigalante justice?
unlaoised
unlaoisedunlaoisedTwilight zone, Wicklow Ireland34 Threads 12,152 Posts
RayfromUSA: Poll: Do you agree with Vigalante justice?

Only when it's appropriate.


When would be appropriate?
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Apr 9, 2014 11:04 AM CST Do you agree with Vigalante justice?
tomcatwarne
tomcatwarnetomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK289 Threads 7 Polls 17,106 Posts
If you go after someone with your own brand of justice, be prepered for his friends or relatives to come after you.
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Apr 9, 2014 11:32 AM CST Do you agree with Vigalante justice?
lifeisadream
lifeisadreamlifeisadreamMexi Go, Mexico State Mexico156 Threads 20 Polls 16,713 Posts
RayfromUSA: Poll: Do you agree with Vigalante justice?

Only when it's appropriate.


It should not be but when justice has being compromised, it seems there is not other way.

unlaoised: When would be appropriate?


Example:
A couple criminal enters to your business and not only they want the money or any valuable thing but they hit and many times kill the owner of the business and the workers. The Police get the criminals and in a week or so they are out, doing the same crimes again and again,

Why they are out?
Because, authorities are corrupted and if they do not free the criminals, they will be "erased".

And taking those criminals to jail:
Will those criminals ever going to be good citizens???

sigh

wave
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Apr 9, 2014 11:43 AM CST Do you agree with Vigalante justice?
tomcatwarne: If you go after someone with your own brand of justice, be prepered for his friends or relatives to come after you.


JEDBURGH JUSTICE,then a little Bloodfeuding after?grin
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Apr 9, 2014 11:50 AM CST Do you agree with Vigalante justice?
RayfromUSA
RayfromUSARayfromUSAvienne, Rhone-Alpes France86 Threads 29 Polls 6,611 Posts
lifeisadream: It should not be but when justice has being compromised, it seems there is not other way.
Example:
A couple criminal enters to your business and not only they want the money or any valuable thing but they hit and many times kill the owner of the business and the workers. The Police get the criminals and in a week or so they are out, doing the same crimes again and again,

Why they are out?
Because, authorities are corrupted and if they do not free the criminals, they will be "erased".

And taking those criminals to jail:
Will those criminals ever going to be good citizens???



No they aren't.
And many times the police are actually corrupt and in league with organized crime, so there is no justice to be had from the courts in such cases. So sometimes vigilante justice is the only kind of justice available.

Whenever outlaws own the government (a very common situation) vigilante justice is certainly appropriate.
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Apr 9, 2014 11:54 AM CST Do you agree with Vigalante justice?
unlaoised
unlaoisedunlaoisedTwilight zone, Wicklow Ireland34 Threads 12,152 Posts
RayfromUSA: No they aren't.
And many times the police are actually corrupt and in league with organized crime, so there is no justice to be had from the courts in such cases. So sometimes vigilante justice is the only kind of justice available.

Whenever outlaws own the government (a very common situation) vigilante justice is certainly appropriate.


Whew, dangerous ground.

I certainly understand the anger and frustration associated with an incompetent police force, for whatever reason, but vigilanteism can quickly turn to mob justice...and whereto from there?
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Apr 9, 2014 12:03 PM CST Do you agree with Vigalante justice?
lifeisadream
lifeisadreamlifeisadreamMexi Go, Mexico State Mexico156 Threads 20 Polls 16,713 Posts
Obstinance_Works: It's true, the Left in this country, in the US and elsewhere is riddled with Marxistic enclavers who think just like you Jac.

And the old trade unionists of industry who didn't make it off the council estate, where can they be found today? In UKIP. The Libertarian party the bourgeoise Left despises. And do you know why Nigel Farage is popular amongst the proles? Because of telling people what they need and what they think, he asks them.

And Hipster always laugh when they come across earthy types who tell them what they don't want to hear. Which is why libtards populate the recesses of the internet and steer clear of the street, because on the spergy interweb forum the hipster usually wins, but on the street the Hipster dies.

I assure you Jac, if you were male and talked like you did in a working class boozer, they would stamp on your skull.


laugh
Do you need a mirror Rumples?


Yes, Jac is opinionated and stubborn and impolite sometimes but she is also a good person.


coffee
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Apr 9, 2014 3:37 PM CST Do you agree with Vigalante justice?
RayfromUSA: No they aren't.
And many times the police are actually corrupt and in league with organized crime, so there is no justice to be had from the courts in such cases. So sometimes vigilante justice is the only kind of justice available.

Whenever outlaws own the government (a very common situation) vigilante justice is certainly appropriate.

OK,Ray,hop to it!laugh
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