what should america do about all of the child immigrants ( Archived) (156)

Jul 17, 2014 10:58 AM CSTwhat should america do about all of the child immigrants

what should america do about all of the child immigrants(Vote Below)

- (To Vote: select an option above, then press this button)
take them all
8
13%
take a percentage
2
3%
take half of them
4
6%
get other countries involved
21
34%
have other countries pick some up
13
21%
who cares
14
23%
Total Votes
62
my friends are worried about this issue and wondering what should be done about it
------ This thread is Archived ------
Jul 17, 2014 10:59 AM CST what should america do about all of the child immigrants
as election day draws nearer and nearer....this is brought into focus...quite sharply!
------ This poll is Archived ------
Jul 17, 2014 11:03 AM CST what should america do about all of the child immigrants
iwil55
iwil55iwil55Centennial, Colorado USA173 Posts
Immediately send them all back...
------ This poll is Archived ------
Jul 17, 2014 11:08 AM CST what should america do about all of the child immigrants
do u foresee if we continue to take them in we shall be overtaken and have massive problems....what do u like about the protests that are set to launch tomorrow and thru the weekend
------ This poll is Archived ------
Jul 17, 2014 11:17 AM CST what should america do about all of the child immigrants
sweetiefireball: my friends are worried about this issue and wondering what should be done about it


I'm curious, what are some of the issues that your friends are worried about?

What are your ideas of possible solutions?
------ This poll is Archived ------
Jul 17, 2014 11:18 AM CST what should america do about all of the child immigrants
iwil55: Immediately send them all back...


I'm interested in finding out more about why you feel this way.
------ This poll is Archived ------
Jul 17, 2014 11:31 AM CST what should america do about all of the child immigrants
i just posted a blog about my ideas....
------ This poll is Archived ------
Jul 17, 2014 11:41 AM CST what should america do about all of the child immigrants
iwil55
iwil55iwil55Centennial, Colorado USA173 Posts
Kaybee50: I'm interested in finding out more about why you feel this way.


We can't take care of our veterans. We can't take care of our elderly, our homeless, our mentally ill, our unemployed. Our cities are declaring bankruptcy and trashing pensions and medical benifits for those who dedicated their lives to public service. Businesses are collapsing and screwing the workers who made them once profitable.

Hey, I've got a Great Idea! Lets open the floodgate and let anybody just send us their children (and adults and criminals) so that they don't have to take care of them anymore!

If we want to take in the poor and disadvantaged, I am willing to do that under certain conditions and requirements of them, and a clear process of naturalization and education... But only AFTER we fix our current screwed up system of care for those who are here and in need.

"Charity begins at home" and the way the greedy American big money / political system is going, there ain't none of that around here. There is no hope in the near future for that to change.

So who is going to take on this new additional burden? Not big money (the 1%). No, the man in the middle, the shrinking middle class, will be the one paying for this. Oh, and it gets even better! Most charities only average 10% of donated funds actually go to the cause for which it was intended. Now, some are better and some are worse. But we have some basic greed issues here that are untenable which need a solution so that when you and I do take on this new burden, we aren't just lining someone's pocket and actually helping those in need. Is political system the answer? Can our taxes successfully solve this situation? Given its recent track history, I doubt it.

Such is my cynical rant.
------ This poll is Archived ------
Jul 17, 2014 11:49 AM CST what should america do about all of the child immigrants
iwil55: We can't take care of our veterans. We can't take care of our elderly, our homeless, our mentally ill, our unemployed. Our cities are declaring bankruptcy and trashing pensions and medical benifits for those who dedicated their lives to public service. Businesses are collapsing and screwing the workers who made them once profitable.

Hey, I've got a Great Idea! Lets open the floodgate and let anybody just send us their children (and adults and criminals) so that they don't have to take care of them anymore!

If we want to take in the poor and disadvantaged, I am willing to do that under certain conditions and requirements of them, and a clear process of naturalization and education... But only AFTER we fix our current screwed up system of care for those who are here and in need.

"Charity begins at home" and the way the greedy American big money / political system is going, there ain't none of that around here. There is no hope in the near future for that to change.

So who is going to take on this new additional burden? Not big money (the 1%). No, the man in the middle, the shrinking middle class, will be the one paying for this. Oh, and it gets even better! Most charities only average 10% of donated funds actually go to the cause for which it was intended. Now, some are better and some are worse. But we have some basic greed issues here that are untenable which need a solution so that when you and I do take on this new burden, we aren't just lining someone's pocket and actually helping those in need. Is political system the answer? Can our taxes successfully solve this situation? Given its recent track history, I doubt it.

Such is my cynical rant.


It has been said in other threads on this subject that the U.S. would be inhumane and uncaring by turning away these illegal immigrants; that they don't cost the U.S. citizen any money and in fact, contribute to our economy and pay for their own living here. It has been said on other threads that some of the reports and news articles on this topic are biased and do not show facts about this issue.

Do you have thoughts on these comments?
------ This poll is Archived ------
Jul 17, 2014 12:00 PM CST what should america do about all of the child immigrants
...why don't the u.s stop donating money...to some countries.....(where the people don't get it) though corruption....and spend it ,on this situation.....at home......????????
------ This poll is Archived ------
Jul 17, 2014 12:33 PM CST what should america do about all of the child immigrants
iwil55
iwil55iwil55Centennial, Colorado USA173 Posts
Kaybee50: It has been said in other threads on this subject that the U.S. would be inhumane and uncaring by turning away these illegal immigrants; that they don't cost the U.S. citizen any money and in fact, contribute to our economy and pay for their own living here. It has been said on other threads that some of the reports and news articles on this topic are biased and do not show facts about this issue.

Do you have thoughts on these comments?


My rant continued, because you asked.

I think the US is inhumane and uncaring by the way we treat our own citizens. I don't see the public outcry there! What about the "donating" nations? Are they being humane and caring? I don't think so. Who is raising a big stink about those nation's behavior? Why aren't people travelling there to protest conditions? Two sides to every coin.

Are news articles biased and not showing true facts? Yes, probably most of them. The news media is a political tool after all, not an informational tool.

Are illegal immigrants NOT costing us anything? NO WAY. The immigrants that contribute to our economy and pay their own way are the LEGAL immigrants, with work visas or are attempting to become naturalized citizens. I totally encourage LEGAL immigration. Probably we need some specialized rules for legal immigration of minors... But it should not be an open door to anyone and all who can illegally find their way into this country. Illegal is illegal.

As I stated in some previous thread, My mother was a legal immigrant who became a naturalized US citizen. To be able to vote, she had to prove basic proficiency in English, US government, and I'm not sure what else. It took her 3 years of studying. She WANTED to be a citizen. This I support.

If someone just want to build a better life and not become a citizen, then there are student and a work visa programs that they can utilize. Note that people with work visas are required to pay taxes to support the social programs they utilize.

If you are politically or religously or racially persecuted, there are asylum programs. These I support.

Are there extenuating circumstances not covered? Probably and these should be addressed on a 1-by-1 basis.

Is our current illegal immigration situation not impacting our well being as a nation? Based on short term govermental costs, short term influx of diseases, short term problems with dealing with the great magnitude (sheer numbers) of the situation: It is impacting our nation in a negative way! And what about the long term impacts? I don't even know how to address those.

Bottom line:
Make a comprehensive and workable plan for legal immigration that can put the immigrant on an equal footing with other US citizens (and our educational requirements, after all I had to take English, civics, goverment, and history in all schools I attended).
Make a comprehensive and workable plan for visas and ensure that after the visas have expired, that person leaves the US.
Make a comprehensive and workable plan for ensuring that criminals are not allowed in under any circumstance.
Make a comprehensive and workable plan for swift extradition of anyone illegally here.

End of rant 2, since you asked.
------ This poll is Archived ------
Jul 17, 2014 12:40 PM CST what should america do about all of the child immigrants
galrads
galradsgalradsDublin, Ohio USA2,264 Threads 279 Polls 36,283 Posts
sweetiefireball: my friends are worried about this issue and wondering what should be done about it


Oh, if only everyone could be more like the person I've come to admire more than anyone else in history, Lydia Smith. wine She live during the USA's civil war period, a poor black women.

She must have had a tremendous, immeasurable, capacity to forgive, love and help others as, I believe, she spent even her own meager life savings doing charitable things for confederate and union military personnel in hospitals and on and off various battlefields.

I wish I could have met her.

With that in mind, I believe we have the capacity to address and resolve this crisis involving mostly discarded children from very corrupt countries. The biggest impediment though, is getting on our politicians to put politics aside and work together for solutions to end this human tragedy.
------ This poll is Archived ------
Jul 17, 2014 12:44 PM CST what should america do about all of the child immigrants
Ccincy
CcincyCcincyCincinnati, Ohio USA77 Threads 20,535 Posts
Just a question iwil55.Do you believe everything that you read/hear from the media?

I don't cause they have a way of embellishing a story.
------ This poll is Archived ------
Jul 17, 2014 12:48 PM CST what should america do about all of the child immigrants
sweetiefireball: my friends are worried about this issue and wondering what should be done about it
You forgot one very valid choice. Send them back and require them and their families to follow the law like everyone else has to. I am not without sympathy, but it has become a real fairness issue, and allowing this is unfair to the many people who apply to live here in all the appropriate ways. Simply coming over the border and expecting to be allowed residency is not tolerated in other circumstances. The rules are the rules. Yes, my Scottish ancestors came here from another country--legally. That's the difference.
------ This poll is Archived ------
Jul 17, 2014 12:48 PM CST what should america do about all of the child immigrants
iwil55
iwil55iwil55Centennial, Colorado USA173 Posts
PS
I served in the military, my sons served in the military. Every Christmas and Hanukkah we assemble gift baskets for those serving.
Most weekends I volunteer in The Handyman Services of Denver program to repair and modify homes of seniors.
Every other summer I participate in Habitat for Humanity somewhere in the US.
I am not without compassion, I just beleive there are proper channels for dealing with any situation.
------ This poll is Archived ------
Jul 17, 2014 12:51 PM CST what should america do about all of the child immigrants
iwil55
iwil55iwil55Centennial, Colorado USA173 Posts
Ccincy: Just a question iwil55.Do you believe everything that you read/hear from the media?

I don't cause they have a way of embellishing a story.


Like I said:

Are news articles biased and not showing true facts? Yes, probably most of them. The news media is a political tool after all, not an informational tool.

So, no, I hardly believe anything.
------ This poll is Archived ------
Jul 17, 2014 12:52 PM CST what should america do about all of the child immigrants
iwil55: My rant continued, because you asked.

I think the US is inhumane and uncaring by the way we treat our own citizens. I don't see the public outcry there! What about the "donating" nations? Are they being humane and caring? I don't think so. Who is raising a big stink about those nation's behavior? Why aren't people travelling there to protest conditions? Two sides to every coin.

Are news articles biased and not showing true facts? Yes, probably most of them. The news media is a political tool after all, not an informational tool.

Are illegal immigrants NOT costing us anything? NO WAY. The immigrants that contribute to our economy and pay their own way are the LEGAL immigrants, with work visas or are attempting to become naturalized citizens. I totally encourage LEGAL immigration. Probably we need some specialized rules for legal immigration of minors... But it should not be an open door to anyone and all who can illegally find their way into this country. Illegal is illegal.

As I stated in some previous thread, My mother was a legal immigrant who became a naturalized US citizen. To be able to vote, she had to prove basic proficiency in English, US government, and I'm not sure what else. It took her 3 years of studying. She WANTED to be a citizen. This I support.

If someone just want to build a better life and not become a citizen, then there are student and a work visa programs that they can utilize. Note that people with work visas are required to pay taxes to support the social programs they utilize.

If you are politically or religously or racially persecuted, there are asylum programs. These I support.

Are there extenuating circumstances not covered? Probably and these should be addressed on a 1-by-1 basis.

Is our current illegal immigration situation not impacting our well being as a nation? Based on short term govermental costs, short term influx of diseases, short term problems with dealing with the great magnitude (sheer numbers) of the situation: It is impacting our nation in a negative way! And what about the long term impacts? I don't even know how to address those.

Bottom line:
Make a comprehensive and workable plan for legal immigration that can put the immigrant on an equal footing with other US citizens (and our educational requirements, after all I had to take English, civics, goverment, and history in all schools I attended).
Make a comprehensive and workable plan for visas and ensure that after the visas have expired, that person leaves the US.
Make a comprehensive and workable plan for ensuring that criminals are not allowed in under any circumstance.
Make a comprehensive and workable plan for swift extradition of anyone illegally here.

End of rant 2, since you asked.
I have never seen a more tactful, informative, and elegantly stated explanation of one's position. You rock. thumbs up
------ This poll is Archived ------
Jul 17, 2014 12:55 PM CST what should america do about all of the child immigrants
iwil55
iwil55iwil55Centennial, Colorado USA173 Posts
rohaan: I have never seen a more tactful, informative, and elegantly stated explanation of one's position. You rock.


I can only hope I am half right and that those who are in power can be truely useful in a positive way with this situation.
------ This poll is Archived ------
Jul 17, 2014 12:58 PM CST what should america do about all of the child immigrants
iwil55
iwil55iwil55Centennial, Colorado USA173 Posts
truheart1941: ...why don't the u.s stop donating money...to some countries.....(where the people don't get it) though corruption....and spend it ,on this situation.....at home......????????


Tru, this is an entirely different thread that needs to be addressed.
------ This poll is Archived ------
Jul 17, 2014 1:12 PM CST what should america do about all of the child immigrants
RayfromUSA
RayfromUSARayfromUSAvienne, Rhone-Alpes France86 Threads 29 Polls 6,611 Posts
They are tired, poor, huddled masses, yearning to breath free.
Either take them in or change the inscription on the statue of liberty to "keep out".
But for god's sake stop the hypocrisy of pretending to have one set of values when in fact your true values are the opposite.
------ This poll is Archived ------
Jul 17, 2014 1:15 PM CST what should america do about all of the child immigrants
sweetiefireball: my friends are worried about this issue and wondering what should be done about it


Kids shouldn't be emigrating on their own!! Not exactly safe! Mind you, what some are emigrating from is a lot scarier!
We're all part of the same world and all turning into ashes at the end of life.
Yes it should be dealt with a lot more efficiently and fairly for all, but not always possible, is it.
------ This poll is Archived ------
Jul 17, 2014 1:19 PM CST what should america do about all of the child immigrants
Kattte
KattteKattteVancouver, British Columbia Canada759 Posts
Knowing how the Republicans feel about both 'illegal immigrants', (aka non- whites) and guns, I'm sure many would like to just use them for target practise or put them all on planes and once over the ocean, just push them all out, as was done to thousands of the so called 'disappeared' from both Argentina and Chile by CIA allies against those nasty commies back in the 70's.
The Democrats will most likely want to keep them all, regardless if they are refugees or immigrants. They do have history on their side as from it's inception, all peoples from the world over have always been accepted and I do not recall a law being passed by any Republican regime banning either refugees or immigrants based on Race, colour, creed or economic status and/ or promising to join the Republicans if those accepted just happen to be white.
(just a thought here, but perhaps it is finally time to ban the Republican Party for being an anti-American organization and start arresting those people …)
------ This poll is Archived ------
Jul 17, 2014 1:20 PM CST what should america do about all of the child immigrants
Kattte
KattteKattteVancouver, British Columbia Canada759 Posts
RayfromUSA: They are tired, poor, huddled masses, yearning to breath free.
Either take them in or change the inscription on the statue of liberty to "keep out".
But for god's sake stop the hypocrisy of pretending to have one set of values when in fact your true values are the opposite.


applause applause applause
------ This poll is Archived ------
Jul 17, 2014 1:22 PM CST what should america do about all of the child immigrants
abcWOMAN
abcWOMANabcWOMANLuleå, Norrbotten Sweden20 Threads 2 Polls 1,583 Posts
sweetiefireball: my friends are worried about this issue and wondering what should be done about it



get other countries involved?

What countries are you thinking of?

We have the same problem in Europe.
------ This poll is Archived ------
Jul 17, 2014 3:39 PM CST what should america do about all of the child immigrants
serena123
serena123serena123durban, KwaZulu-Natal South Africa44 Threads 2 Polls 2,821 Posts
You can do nothing except feed them and offer shelter.. We have a huge problem with Zimbabwians trying to get in.. They risk their lives going through Kruger park, and if they make it to the fence, without being ripped apart by lions.. The authoritys Are waiting to pick them up and send them back.. Those that make it past, end up on the steets, begging and high on drugs
------ This poll is Archived ------
Jul 17, 2014 3:44 PM CST what should america do about all of the child immigrants
serena123
serena123serena123durban, KwaZulu-Natal South Africa44 Threads 2 Polls 2,821 Posts
Oh.. I forgot to mention, they may end up working for very little pay.. And the Zulu tribe.. In Durban, where I live feel that they take their jobs, so they hunt them down and kill them. Putting tyres around them, pouring petrol on them and setting them alight.. HarSh, but, that's the reality of it
------ This poll is Archived ------
Jul 17, 2014 3:55 PM CST what should america do about all of the child immigrants
stringman
stringmanstringmanwallaceburg, Ontario Canada649 Threads 1 Polls 7,049 Posts
Jul 17, 2014 5:21 PM CST what should america do about all of the child immigrants
galrads
galradsgalradsDublin, Ohio USA2,264 Threads 279 Polls 36,283 Posts
serena123: Oh.. I forgot to mention, they may end up working for very little pay.. And the Zulu tribe.. In Durban, where I live feel that they take their jobs, so they hunt them down and kill them. Putting tyres around them, pouring petrol on them and setting them alight.. HarSh, but, that's the reality of it


wow Unbelievable! But then I think you're not the type to make up stories about crimes against humanity like this Those are barbaric actions! How terrible!!
------ This poll is Archived ------
Jul 17, 2014 8:01 PM CST what should america do about all of the child immigrants
minnieme2: Kids shouldn't be emigrating on their own!! Not exactly safe! Mind you, what some are emigrating from is a lot scarier!
We're all part of the same world and all turning into ashes at the end of life.
Yes it should be dealt with a lot more efficiently and fairly for all, but not always possible, is it.
well here i am home....and all i know is that the Pope is speaking out about it...is how i found out....and i believe His Holiness on this issue....religious people of all faith traditions r putting their heads together to figure this out....also i agree things need to b handled here and in their countries also...yes there should b a process...but when it is kids...it is like they r refugees....it is a mess...but that should not deter us...i am gonna find out what is going on in my own area tomorrow...and yes corruption is everywhere....but innocent children ...all children everywhere need us...and yes we need to address our situation too....soon there shall only b the rich and the poor the middle class do not have funding...and r not allowed assistance and take the brunt of societies ills, i quite agree!!!!!!!!!!!
------ This poll is Archived ------
Jul 17, 2014 8:10 PM CST what should america do about all of the child immigrants
INTERESTING!

This section of DiscoverTheNetworks examines the immigration policies of Mexico. Though that nation's government has long criticized U.S. efforts to curtail the heavy northward flow of Mexican illegals, Mexico itself takes a hard line against those who would violate its immigration laws.

As Professor Michael Waller of the Institute of World Politics points out, Mexico deports more illegal aliens than the United States does. Under Mexican law, it is a felony to be an illegal alien residing anywhere in the country. Mexican immigration authorities keep detailed records of all foreign visitors. These visitors are explicitly banned from interfering in the nation's internal politics. Those who enter the country under false pretenses (e.g., with fake papers) are summarily incarcerated or deported, and those who aid in illegal immigration are also sent to prison.
------ This poll is Archived ------
Jul 17, 2014 8:12 PM CST what should america do about all of the child immigrants
From the same article - a leftist type news blog.

Mexico is also notorious for its aggressive efforts to promote the illegal emigration of its own citizens into the United States. As Manhattan Institute scholar Heather MacDonald observes, Mexican officials in the U.S. and abroad are involved in a massive and almost daily effort to facilitate the passage of Mexicans into the U.S. in violation of American immigration law, and to subsequently normalize their status as quickly as possible.

Toward that end, Mexico publishes a comic book-style guide -- the Guía del Migrante Mexicano (Guide for the Mexican Migrant) -- offering "practical advice" on how to breach the U.S. border safely and evade detection once across. This publication is distributed by Mexico’s foreign ministry and the Mexican consulates; it is also available online.
------ This poll is Archived ------

This Poll is Archived

This Poll is archived, so you will no longer be able to post to it. Poll get archived automatically when they are older than 3 months.
Message #318

Stats for this Poll

62 Votes
4,269 Views
156 Comments
Created: Jul 2014
Last Viewed: Mar 25
Last Commented: Jul 2014
Last Voted: Jul 2017

Share this Poll

We use cookies to ensure that you have the best experience possible on our website. Read Our Privacy Policy Here