Ban Smoking in Prison (48)
Since 2004, there are 25 states in America that have banned smoking for staff and inmates on prison grounds.
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CuddlingSoul: Since 2004, there are 25 states in America that have banned smoking for staff and inmates on prison grounds.
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I don't smoke, so I can see the concern of the inmate who complained, of secondary smoking.
The law at present only applies to communal areas, so prisoners can smoke in their cells and in the exercise yard.
Personally I would like to see smoking banned everywhere all the time. But this is only my opinion and I realise people may have strong feelings otherwise...JMO.
The law at present only applies to communal areas, so prisoners can smoke in their cells and in the exercise yard.
Personally I would like to see smoking banned everywhere all the time. But this is only my opinion and I realise people may have strong feelings otherwise...JMO.
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tomcatwarne: I don't smoke, so I can see the concern of the inmate who complained, of secondary smoking.
The law at present only applies to communal areas, so prisoners can smoke in their cells and in the exercise yard.
Personally I would like to see smoking banned everywhere all the time. But this is only my opinion and I realise people may have strong feelings otherwise...JMO.
Its a difficult one I think.The law at present only applies to communal areas, so prisoners can smoke in their cells and in the exercise yard.
Personally I would like to see smoking banned everywhere all the time. But this is only my opinion and I realise people may have strong feelings otherwise...JMO.
I wouldn't like to be a warden coping with the consequences of their withdrawal symptoms.
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RainComeShine: Its a difficult one I think.
I wouldn't like to be a warden coping with the consequences of their withdrawal symptoms.
I wouldn't like to be a warden coping with the consequences of their withdrawal symptoms.
It would be difficult in hard core prisons, there would surly be rioting.
But as prisoners seem to get hard drugs, I think getting cigarettes would be possible.
Policing the ban would be a problem.
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RainComeShine: Have they reported any change in the crime statistics?
I couldn't find a solid statistic about that. Reason for the ban, is to help lower the cost for medical treatment.------ This poll is Archived ------
CuddlingSoul: I couldn't find a solid statistic about that. Reason for the ban, is to help lower the cost for medical treatment.
That sounds like a good enough reason for all concerned.
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RainComeShine: I've heard that they are considering banning smoking in prisons.. Opposers argue that it will make inmates unstable. Also that they use cigarettes as currency.
The report didn't give a reason for this proposed change. My only thought here was that it may deter smokers from risking imprisonment for fear of losing their right to smoke. Could this endorsement curb crime?
The report didn't give a reason for this proposed change. My only thought here was that it may deter smokers from risking imprisonment for fear of losing their right to smoke. Could this endorsement curb crime?
Good idea - Its about time Criminals were punished when convicted and not mollycoddled but I also believe Prisons should be run the same way as a Military prison. Convicts should have their rights removed if they break the rules and Radio, but No TV in the cells.
BUT - on the other hand they should have to attend classes, receive education and skills training like they did before the Thatcher government axed all the workshops and the word discipline was relaxed too far and disappeared in Schools which, thanks to the removal of Teachers rights to use discipline on miscreants.
School now is where criminals start their "education" backed by irresponsible attitudes of Alcoholic and Drug taking low life males and single females who can't keep their C.cks in their pants and C.nts closed, claim as many benefits as they can and appear on the Jeremy Kyle (Vile) show for their 15 minutes of fame.
There also needs to be a harder vetting system as to who can be employed as a prison officer.
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MikeD12: Good idea - Its about time Criminals were punished when convicted and not mollycoddled but I also believe Prisons should be run the same way as a Military prison. Convicts should have their rights removed if they break the rules and Radio, but No TV in the cells.
BUT - on the other hand they should have to attend classes, receive education and skills training like they did before the Thatcher government axed all the workshops and the word discipline was relaxed too far and disappeared in Schools which, thanks to the removal of Teachers rights to use discipline on miscreants.
School now is where criminals start their "education" backed by irresponsible attitudes of Alcoholic and Drug taking low life males and single females who can't keep their C.cks in their pants and C.nts closed, claim as many benefits as they can and appear on the Jeremy Kyle (Vile) show for their 15 minutes of fame.
There also needs to be a harder vetting system as to who can be employed as a prison officer.
I get where you're coming from and more to do with progress. Better education and more rights for teachers are needed but I can see it being necessary to have more than one teacher to a class before long unless learning at home on computers gets there first. I worry about our youth!BUT - on the other hand they should have to attend classes, receive education and skills training like they did before the Thatcher government axed all the workshops and the word discipline was relaxed too far and disappeared in Schools which, thanks to the removal of Teachers rights to use discipline on miscreants.
School now is where criminals start their "education" backed by irresponsible attitudes of Alcoholic and Drug taking low life males and single females who can't keep their C.cks in their pants and C.nts closed, claim as many benefits as they can and appear on the Jeremy Kyle (Vile) show for their 15 minutes of fame.
There also needs to be a harder vetting system as to who can be employed as a prison officer.
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Can't they just have a secure supervised smoking area and have the cigarettes given to them by a supervisor (so they don't use them as currency or find a way to light up in the cell or burn someone!)
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Sounds reasonable.
You will always have the flog them and hang them brigate for jay walking.
A lot of people in prison aren't there for robbing and beating old ladies.
They had their freedom taken away as a punishment, lets not drift back to the dark ages, and bring back the thumb screw for smoking. JMO
You will always have the flog them and hang them brigate for jay walking.
A lot of people in prison aren't there for robbing and beating old ladies.
They had their freedom taken away as a punishment, lets not drift back to the dark ages, and bring back the thumb screw for smoking. JMO
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minnieme2: Can't they just have a secure supervised smoking area and have the cigarettes given to them by a supervisor (so they don't use them as currency or find a way to light up in the cell or burn someone!)
I was under the impression that they didn't wish to remove the currency aspect of the cigarette.Burning is a very valid comment.
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tomcatwarne: Sounds reasonable.
You will always have the flog them and hang them brigate for jay walking.
A lot of people in prison aren't there for robbing and beating old ladies.
They had their freedom taken away as a punishment, lets not drift back to the dark ages, and bring back the thumb screw for smoking. JMO
You will always have the flog them and hang them brigate for jay walking.
A lot of people in prison aren't there for robbing and beating old ladies.
They had their freedom taken away as a punishment, lets not drift back to the dark ages, and bring back the thumb screw for smoking. JMO
We can't get away from the fact that everything is about money.
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RainComeShine: We can't get away from the fact that everything is about money.
And who are the biggest robbers
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tomcatwarne: And who are the biggest robbers
It's all a trap and they wonder why we're paranoid???
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minnieme2: Can't they just have a secure supervised smoking area and have the cigarettes given to them by a supervisor (so they don't use them as currency or find a way to light up in the cell or burn someone!)
I respect your opinion but under the current namby pamby politically correct rules I think that it is far too naive for consideration.
The current rules have been made on advice from "experts" and "ologists" with letters after their names. Having been forced to deal with Social workers recently who said they had been sent by my GP as I was over 75 it proved they were lying. After making threats to involve Health and safety for me having access to dangerous engineering items (Large Meccano models) and 2 model makers lathes indoors in my Den I told then to F Off and confirmed they were bogus when I phoned his secretary 2 minutes after they went.
Having run my own business and still do consultancy work occasionally I would not piss on social workers if they were on fire, or any other parasites in businesses that depend on peoples misery for their income for that matter.
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RainComeShine: I was under the impression that they didn't wish to remove the currency aspect of the cigarette.
Burning is a very valid comment.
Burning is a very valid comment.
Thanks rain.
Oh sorry, maybe not, but I don't think cigarettes are the best thing to use as currency, imo. Something safer maybe! Raffle tickets!? lol, or maybe not lol.
Of course if there weren't any corrupt or bad prison officers it would be a lot simpler to manage prisons (tough enough job as it is obviously!). They make it very difficult for the good ones doing their job properly.
such is the world we live in!
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minnieme2: Thanks rain.
Oh sorry, maybe not, but I don't think cigarettes are the best thing to use as currency, imo. Something safer maybe! Raffle tickets!? lol, or maybe not lol.
Of course if there weren't any corrupt or bad prison officers it would be a lot simpler to manage prisons (tough enough job as it is obviously!). They make it very difficult for the good ones doing their job properly.
such is the world we live in!
Very true. We have a problem trusting anyone.Oh sorry, maybe not, but I don't think cigarettes are the best thing to use as currency, imo. Something safer maybe! Raffle tickets!? lol, or maybe not lol.
Of course if there weren't any corrupt or bad prison officers it would be a lot simpler to manage prisons (tough enough job as it is obviously!). They make it very difficult for the good ones doing their job properly.
such is the world we live in!
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As to a smoking ban in prison being a deterrent to crime, capital punishment hasn't been a deterrent to homicide, so I doubt that would have any effect on the crime rate. Criminals simply don't think with a view to the future, they are strictly in the here and now.
This, IMO, is why the transition from hanging in the public square and the electric chair to a much more painless, humane, even pleasant method of execution has had no effect on making the homicide rate rise.
This, IMO, is why the transition from hanging in the public square and the electric chair to a much more painless, humane, even pleasant method of execution has had no effect on making the homicide rate rise.
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probably not a good idea
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ooby_dooby: As to a smoking ban in prison being a deterrent to crime, capital punishment hasn't been a deterrent to homicide, so I doubt that would have any effect on the crime rate. Criminals simply don't think with a view to the future, they are strictly in the here and now.
This, IMO, is why the transition from hanging in the public square and the electric chair to a much more painless, humane, even pleasant method of execution has had no effect on making the homicide rate rise.
This, IMO, is why the transition from hanging in the public square and the electric chair to a much more painless, humane, even pleasant method of execution has had no effect on making the homicide rate rise.
Thanks for that comment. It makes perfect sense out of a nonsensical situation.
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Smokes are like the prison currency,
you buy and sell by the almighty cig.
you buy and sell by the almighty cig.
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RainComeShine: I've heard that they are considering banning smoking in prisons.. Opposers argue that it will make inmates unstable.
Also that they use cigarettes as currency.
The report didn't give a reason for this proposed change.
My only thought here was that it may deter smokers from risking imprisonment for fear of losing their right to smoke.
Could this endorsement curb crime?
Also that they use cigarettes as currency.
The report didn't give a reason for this proposed change.
My only thought here was that it may deter smokers from risking imprisonment for fear of losing their right to smoke.
Could this endorsement curb crime?
Some do feel that their quality of life is better in prison than it is on the outside. They don't fear the institution or see themselves as doing "hard time" put it that way.
But I doubt that a smoking ban would reverse this experience/impression of life in prison and make recidivists/criminals feel that prison is something to avoid. Why? Because it isn't harsh in the right way or to enough extent. I mean criminals are not likely sorts for considering consequences and the future, but that doesn't mean that deterrents and incentives are irrelevant, only that these are made more keenly felt. What you do with a person ignorant of consequences is hammer them into his stupid face.
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thelad2007: probably not a good idea
Why do you think not?
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Foxworth: Smokes are like the prison currency,
you buy and sell by the almighty cig.
you buy and sell by the almighty cig.
The report seemed to be concerned that to stop this would be a big problem. I wonder if that's true?
I'm not even sure that I agree with prisons. But then neither do I agree with crime.
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minnieme2: Can't they just have a secure supervised smoking area and have the cigarettes given to them by a supervisor (so they don't use them as currency or find a way to light up in the cell or burn someone!)
That is called a mental facility, Prisons are not like that. Supervision is not a real thing in prison. Here in CA. Prisons are a big business. Sooo, many , many innocent people are sent to prison. Corruption is out of control. The police now are all in their own gangs. CRAZY. Reported crimes statistics do not really prove of value. Here many , many crimes are not reported. There are many violent crimes. It is crazy. I am fortunate to live in a safe area. Many places surrounding me, murders all the time. A few good police left. The ones who are , are known as A 1 cops. Hard to know who is who any more.. PEACE HH
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MikeD12: I respect your opinion but under the current namby pamby politically correct rules I think that it is far too naive for consideration.
The current rules have been made on advice from "experts" and "ologists" with letters after their names. Having been forced to deal with Social workers recently who said they had been sent by my GP as I was over 75 it proved they were lying. After making threats to involve Health and safety for me having access to dangerous engineering items (Large Meccano models) and 2 model makers lathes indoors in my Den I told then to F Off and confirmed they were bogus when I phoned his secretary 2 minutes after they went.
Having run my own business and still do consultancy work occasionally I would not piss on social workers if they were on fire, or any other parasites in businesses that depend on peoples misery for their income for that matter.
The current rules have been made on advice from "experts" and "ologists" with letters after their names. Having been forced to deal with Social workers recently who said they had been sent by my GP as I was over 75 it proved they were lying. After making threats to involve Health and safety for me having access to dangerous engineering items (Large Meccano models) and 2 model makers lathes indoors in my Den I told then to F Off and confirmed they were bogus when I phoned his secretary 2 minutes after they went.
Having run my own business and still do consultancy work occasionally I would not piss on social workers if they were on fire, or any other parasites in businesses that depend on peoples misery for their income for that matter.
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As well, here they smoke banana peels in prison.
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heatherhuntsman: As well, here they smoke banana peels in prison.
30 bananas
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RainComeShine: I've heard that they are considering banning smoking in prisons.. Opposers argue that it will make inmates unstable.
Also that they use cigarettes as currency.
The report didn't give a reason for this proposed change.
My only thought here was that it may deter smokers from risking imprisonment for fear of losing their right to smoke.
Could this endorsement curb crime?
Also that they use cigarettes as currency.
The report didn't give a reason for this proposed change.
My only thought here was that it may deter smokers from risking imprisonment for fear of losing their right to smoke.
Could this endorsement curb crime?
I doubt if not being able to smoke in prison is going to deter smokers from risking imprisonment.
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Also that they use cigarettes as currency.
The report didn't give a reason for this proposed change.
My only thought here was that it may deter smokers from risking imprisonment for fear of losing their right to smoke.
Could this endorsement curb crime?