What way will you Vote on Lisbon 2?

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gorrestfump: true.. i know that... im wit ya scribs..:)

but they played on the socialist vote, by talking about anireland of workin class people being hurt by lisbon.. talking a one for all kinda campaign

that crowd are fucked up man... in holland they are pro abortion.. in irealnd pro life... just an example of there mixed policies all over europe that masks a nasty far right agenda.. sorry.. had to get that off my chest..:)

and for the record... im a communist..

well... communist ideals... not a fan of any communist regime to ever have been put in place..


Libertas made zero impact with the working class.
tallaght_guy dublin, Dublin Ireland
voted yes last time and same again no campaingn didnd hold water last time and probaly less so this time



scribbler83: Libertas made zero impact with the working class.


id have to disagree wit u there..

frightened the fuck out of the ordinary joe soap who voted no cause he/she was worried bout higher taxes, job losses, and all the other lies libertas spilled...
wexlady41 Wexford, Wexford Ireland
Voted yes last time and voting yes this time too!

The amount of pure and utter tripe that was spouted by the no campaign last time was unbelievable!

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wexlady41 Wexford, Wexford Ireland
gorrestfump: id have to disagree wit u there..

frightened the fuck out of the ordinary joe soap who voted no cause he/she was worried bout higher taxes, job losses, and all the other lies libertas spilled...


OMG!!!!

I agree with you Gorrest!

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It seems to me that unless we vote 'Yes' then we are not being democratic. On that basis, democracy is based exclusively on a 'yes' vote. It's interesting how after the last referendum Europe said "we must respect the decsison of the Irish people". Where is the 'respect' when we're being forced to vote again. Is there something so complicated with the two letters 'N O'? are they totally confused when they are placed side by side 'NO'?

We were told that the Treaty "Can not be renegotiated or amended" so does the fact that we have to vote again mean that we have been LIED to, because of the Protocols which have been added and now forms part of the Treaty . If someone is going to tell me that the Protocols are not part of the Treaty, then they have no value whatsoever. So which is it - has the Treaty been amended by these Protocols or not. I believe it has been amended and that we were lied to initially. On that basis, since I could never trust a Liar - my vote is NO!! comprende? capice? tig an tú? got it?frustrated



scribbler83: Libertas have never claimed to be left-wing!


Well my understanding of libertas was that they were far leftdunno
Ill do my research and educate myselfcheers



wexlady41: OMG!!!!

I agree with you Gorrest!


lol.. sure it had to happen eventually wex..hug



Bellysgonnagetya: Well my understanding of libertas was that they were far left
Ill do my research and educate myself

Not remotely. Far right if anything.

David Cochrane of politics.ie fame is an ex PD.

John McGuirk has been in both FF and FG and on the hard right of both. Ganley is extremely right-wing economically.
wexlady41 Wexford, Wexford Ireland
gorrestfump: lol.. sure it had to happen eventually wex..


I guess everything happens in its own good time.


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gorrestfump: id have to disagree wit u there..

frightened the fuck out of the ordinary joe soap who voted no cause he/she was worried bout higher taxes, job losses, and all the other lies libertas spilled...


The strong working class areas where the no vote was highest Libertas wouldn't go near.

In working class areas they were swayed by SF, and other centre-left, left and cfar left groups.

Also possibly by the religious fruit cakes in CÓIR (Otherwise known as I can't believe it's not Youth Defence!laugh )



scribbler83: The strong working class areas where the no vote was highest Libertas wouldn't go near.

In working class areas they were swayed by SF, and other centre-left, left and cfar left groups.

Also possibly by the religious fruit cakes in CÓIR (Otherwise known as I can't believe it's not Youth Defence! )


hahahah.. funny.. the bit bout COIR..:)

agreed.. but dont tell me that although the didnt target workin class per say, that ganleys lies didnt seep through to the man on the street.. he was a cunning manipulative bastard..
Fallingman Dublin, Dublin Ireland
I'll balance up your vote...as a favour...but I will be voting yes with conviction in the referendum....again!
Fallingman Dublin, Dublin Ireland
gorrestfump: hahahah.. funny.. the bit bout COIR..:)

agreed.. but dont tell me that although the didnt target workin class per say, that ganleys lies didnt seep through to the man on the street.. he was a cunning manipulative bastard..
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Fallingman Dublin, Dublin Ireland
Trealach: It seems to me that unless we vote 'Yes' then we are not being democratic. On that basis, democracy is based exclusively on a 'yes' vote. It's interesting how after the last referendum Europe said "we must respect the decsison of the Irish people". Where is the 'respect' when we're being forced to vote again. Is there something so complicated with the two letters 'N O'? are they totally confused when they are placed side by side 'NO'?

We were told that the Treaty "Can not be renegotiated or amended" so does the fact that we have to vote again mean that we have been LIED to, because of the Protocols which have been added and now forms part of the Treaty . If someone is going to tell me that the Protocols are not part of the Treaty, then they have no value whatsoever. So which is it - has the Treaty been amended by these Protocols or not. I believe it has been amended and that we were lied to initially. On that basis, since I could never trust a Liar - my vote is NO!! comprende? capice? tig an tú? got it?
interesting argument when you consider most of the NO campaign was a pack of lies!



Fallingman: interesting argument when you consider most of the NO campaign was a pack of lies!


Really? IF the NO campaign was as you say based on a pack of lies, then I'd like to hear you explain the necessity of negotiating the Protocols.
john2 bray, Wicklow Ireland
i one question for you all how did the leader of the libertas make his money????? dunno confused



RubyTuesday1 Dublin, Dublin Ireland
I don't know if anyone witnessed the farcical so called debate between Mary-Lou McDonald (SF) and Mary-Frances McKenna (Director of Ireland'sFuture.ie). It was an out and out catfight with neither woman uttering a sensible word except to shout the other one down. It's unusual that the debate here is more civilised laugh

I voted NO last time not because of any particular allegiance but just a personal decision. I will however vote yes in October for the simple reason I've had more time to mull it over and actually understand the consequences for the country. I admit I was somewhat swayed by the propaganda of the NO campaign last time



rahenygirl Dublin-Carlow, Dublin Ireland
scribbler83: The other thread neglected to give us a poll. So I am creating one.


I wont be...
And dont fight with me scribbs...tongue



rahenygirl: I wont be...
And dont fight with me scribbs...
We have people like Robbie Keane urging us to vote yes but I am sure a lot of the older generation are waiting for Twink and also Ronan Collins to urge us to vote yes.
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