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yes mike,count me in

i agree,bad how someone can be in trouble for trying to help a sick person carry out their wishes

i agree

Makes sense to me.
This is a change that is long overdue.

Yes, uniquivocably, I support this without hesitation or doubt........ people should be free to choose when in sound mind - its their own lives they are negotiating after all, not some biblical tenet.........

Trish
The people of Switzerland solved it so I say who has any legal right to prevent us from making the same decisions in the UK.

What you said is what I have always said and I believe that there would be avery large majority saying YES if we had a national referndum, even to change the law against prosecution for anyone helping the patient to go to Switzerland where it IS legal.

Mike

Hi Mike,


I agree with you, its nothing short of barbaric to withold these rights from people for whom its a big enough decision anyway without the law sticking its nose in. OK, its accepted that safeguards have to be in place to protect vulnerable people but I dont really see that as being too much of a problem for a society like the BMA - it isnt as if we are way back in the era of the Asylum when two signatures could condemn a young woman to life in purgatory on earth for the 'sin' of getting pregnant out of wedlock etc.! It is hoped that we have moved on considerably since those days.


I just found this which is a bit of a move in the right direction imo..... the address of the site i got it from is at the bottom of the piece.....

Trish


Leading campaign group launches advance decision toolkit
Toolkit will give appropriate professional guidance on the refusal of life-sustaining treatment

Dignity in Dying, the UK’s leading organisation campaigning for greater patient choice at the end of life, has today launched a comprehensive advance decision toolkit.


The Toolkit, which was commissioned by the Department of Health, will inform healthcare professionals of the issues surrounding the decision to refuse life-sustaining treatment, as stated in an advance decision.


The Department of Health invested in the development of the Toolkit when the refusal of treatment section of advance decisions became legally binding after under the 2005 Mental Capacity Act.

Sarah Wootton, Chief Executive of Dignity in Dying, said:


“It is highly important that health professionals have a clear understanding of advance decisions if they are to work to the maximum benefit of the patient.

“Since the Mental Capacity Act came into force, many people are choosing to make advance decisions to maintain more control over their health.”


The Toolkit covers areas such as the recent change of law and its practical implications, good practice and caring for patients with advance decisions.

Wootton continued, “Health professionals have an important role to play in educating the public of the benefits of making an advance decision.”




Notes to editor:
The provisions of the Mental Capacity Act around advance decisions to refuse life-sustaining treatment came into force in October 2007. Failure to comply with a valid and applicable advance decision could lead to a claim for damages for battery or a criminal charge of assault.

About Dignity in Dying
We support:

• Patient choice at the end of life
• Improvements in palliative care in all settings
• A dignified death for all

contd.

Dignity in Dying is also the UK’s leading provider of advance decisions (otherwise known as living wills). Dignity in Dying’s pro-choice Advance Decision allows people to specify any medical treatment they would like to be made on their behalf should they lose capacity. However, this toolkit will concentrate only on advance decisions to refuse life-sustaining treatment.

Dignity in Dying distributes thousands of its pro-choice Advance Decisions every year to members of the public who are keen to maintain as much control as possible over their future healthcare decisions. General practitioners, hospitals, care homes and lawyers regularly ask us to provide them with large numbers of these documents, and advise them on best practice. We have over 70 years’ experience of dealing with end-of-life care issues including expertise on drawing up and implementation of advance decisions.

The Toolkit is available for all health professionals to download from: www.dignityindying.org.uk.

Thats all very fine and I see the logic but have they got real teeth? It does not appear so IMO

I believe they just another example of a Quango set up by the unelectd Puss head Brown's shower of New labour and arrogant Legal parasites as a smoke screen for spouting wind & piss because they have to be ssen todo something - saying all but doing nothing positive at the tax payers expense.

I still say bollocks to the law and break it in this case because I feel so strongly for the human rights of anyone terminally ill to decide when THEY want to die in dignity and NOT patronising Academics, Bible punchers and Legal know alls who are UNELECTED.

The whole of the UK must NOW be given that right.

Cheers
Mike

I guess the changes will only ever come about a bit at a time.... the group has been in existence for something like 70 yrs Mike..... and nothing to do with government - follow the link, theres some good points on the site. Oh and they are self funded too......

GENERAL OBSE RVATION

What a surprise !
The latest results show the YES vote consistant at 73% which is almost the same ratio with 30 votes csst so far, as that of the 3 towns in Thanet & Canterbury City combined result from two days cold cavassing in the streets and 20,000 willing participants, 2 years or so ago.

QED Methinks.

OK-gonna stick my neck out here-probably get it chopped off!.


In the case of Terminal illness where death is inevitable,accompanied by undue suffering (eg:When the Morphine ceases to relieve) then,of course,one should have the option of an early release?.

What I am suggesting is-At the Outset of the illness (when diagnosed) the person is consulted of this option (whilst of sound mind) and if this is what is desired then FURTHER consulted (at designated intervals) BEFORE any stage of undue suffering is reached-in other words-they are given the chance to retract their wish-it would be hard to argue in the alternative that their wish was influenced by anything other than their own free spirit-that is what i meant by STRUCTURED legislation-and most importantly the person MUST be of sound mind when each consulation is made.

I fully expect all sorts of circumstances to be counter quoted-but this is only an opinion.

I am with you Mike.

I hate to bring out the old cliches, but people have been arrested by the RSPCA and such for letting an animal suffer and not having it put to sleep. Surely people have the same rights?

Ho Sprog - Not from me you won't - That's near enough what I said less eloquently in words of ONE syllable in an argument IN PUBLIC with a local two faced lickspittling politician who voted NO in Parlaiment last time - The audience all agreed and he was as red faced as the Russian flag.

Mike

Hi Karen
Thanks for that -

It realy is only Legal, political and neo-religious dictatorial scum and pseudo intellectual crap heads at the top in this country who block the solution every btime it comes up but which Switzerland and Belgium solved democratically.

Anyone who opposes it without knowing or seeing should be forced to go and see exactly what happens days before the end after the largest *allowable* Morphine dose has no effect before they shoot their mouth off IMO !!

Mike

Ere Mike-Wonder if that was the same MP i clashed with over my Mum?-She used to live at Stud Hill,Herne Bay-i wanted more care for her as she was starting to suffer from dimmensia-he said he would only listen to her GP (whom i clashed with as well)-unfortunately things had to get worse before they got better-then he said it weren't his fault-but her GP's!-Still lots of retirement estates down there-why should they care?-keep caning them for their taxes-cos they they know most old people are too proud to ask for help?-still what with our govt now refusing to pay for the best drugs-being an expense issue-well,what's left?-a visit by the local political party-a cup of tea an biscuits-quick chat-an please put a X on this ballot paper!-COLD HEARTED BLEEDERS!!!!!.

The MP for Thanet North is Roger Gale and he is a two faced Tory :

My constituency is Thanet South, the MP is ex Pfizer emnployee Dr Steven two face Ladyman, someone witj a permanetn patronising sneer on his face and whom I would not piss on if he were on fire -

That is an ultimate insult from any ERK -
We never ever say it in fun and and it goes right back to the Rotary engine A/C in WW1 when A/C engine fitters in the RNAS and RFC would do just that if and when a fire extiguisher failed or was not available, and their comrades overalls were alight, through spillages and engine exhaust and intake fires, which were commonplace.

One day I will say EXACTLY what I really think

cheers: Mike

Roger Gale-thats the Git!-Y'know once in a while i can revert(in my mind) to my younger day-an he would've been a 0.10 sec job!-Politicians are heartless people-will we ever see the day when politicians are truly representative to the people they serve-I doubt it?

Answer to your last sentence
No way - Not in my experience - A well known close to the knuckle comic I used to back regularly in cabaret came out with a one liner when Mandelson first crawled out friom under the New labour Rock before their first term.

Bbloody hell - They must be warmongers or nutters & poofs and if anyone shook hands with Mandelson at Uni we said always count your fingers afterwards and don't turn your back on him, it or whatever she is

Look at what Bastard Brown's done done now in desperation - He's now got twoo poofs and allegdly a blind begger and he hasn't needed assistance for the panto season

You LADDD you!-Cant sing the ol Rugby songs no more-Very offensive to the gay community they say?-Well,if they done it right in the first place-then they wouldn't have nothing to whinge about!-Tell you what tho-what was the point of all that fighting to get the govt an the society that we got today?-Christ!-if i could turn the clock back?.