It Ain't Paradise any longer

The most destructive fire in California's history has now claimed at least 9 lives.
However, at least 35 people are also missing.
Almost the entire town of Paradise California has been engulfed in flames.
The fire broke out rapidy, perhaps from electrical problems, and spread even more rapidly due
to the combination of 50 mph winds and very dry conditions.

From Weather.com



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When I lived in Val Vista,CA there was a wildfire and I could see the smoke and flames form in the City of Hemet. Come to find out a child had been playing with matches.Several homes and lives had been lost in that particular fire too.
hi yes i saw this today on tv and I had to cry...….. very dangerous and destructrive
Jimnastics ~ I always dreamt of living in parts of California I had seen in films, but I have been absolutely devastated by the loss of life, I never remember places like this before having such out of control fire.
sad flower
B - Most people, when they think of California, don't realize how much wilderness is there.
Instead, they think of California as cities. However, because of the winds and sometimes dry conditions,
fires can spread rapidly and great distances. Of course, they can be started by many different causes,
natural & unnatural.

N - Very dangerous indeed, for both humans and wildlife.

G - Unfortunately, it happens far too often in California. Between that and the earthquakes,
I have little desire to live there. It can be a nice place to visit, however, if you time it right.
JN

I felt emotional when I was watching on CNN imagine how lots of ppl are suffering from this.Hope they a haven of peacesad flower
JN Also I learned from living in Southern Cal in the San Bernardino and Riverside counties they had what they called fire or camping restrictions if you will.

I used to see the lighted signs as I had been traveling up the Mountains ,through Mountain Center upward to Idyllwild which is nestled in the San Jacinto mountains.
Speaking of earthquakes there was a earthquake while I was still living in Val Vista.It wasn't a very large one but it sure rattled anyways.I left California back in 2006.

I also just learned that The San Andreas Fault is a continental transform fault that extends roughly 1,200 kilometers through California. It forms the tectonic boundary between the Pacific Plate and the North American Plate, and its motion is right-lateral strike-slip.According the Wikipedia that is.
JN While living there I had been told that California could one day just slide right into the ocean.
JN

Thank you for the kind words.In God we
trust that all things will be okay and better.Our government are in 24/7 alert especially to places affected.
It reminds me now of the 1990 earthquake which my city was the epicenter that made me jump from the second floor of the lady's dormitory just to save my life.sigh
CALIFORNIA'S FIRE APOCALYPSE Rages

There's a fellow from another site I frequent that put out a plea for a place for him and his family to stay. He was from 1000 Oaks. He has no idea if he still has a house to go back to. Fortunately he was offered a place to stay almost immediately by another member who was about 75 miles away.applause
Speaking of Paradise, I think the official who ordered the whole town to evacuate immediately bears some of the responsibility for the horrifying deaths that occurred as a result of the gridlock that caused. If you look at a google map of the area you can see there's only one, two lane road heading south out of town State route 191. You can't go north because that way kind of dead ends. So for the whole town to evacuate on only 1 lane of traffic is asking for a disaster. All it would take is for 1 car to run out of gas or have a crash and everybody on the road would be is serious trouble.

I drove through a fire once because I was in a big rig that was too long to make a U turn and the cops who were turning all the cars around waved us through. The fire was on both sides of the road and we had to close the windows to keep the heat and the flames out of the cab. I wasn't obeying any speed limits on that stretch. My biggest fear was the fire would use up all the oxygen in the air and my engine would shut down. That would be a death sentence.
I just had to google how far Santa Monica is from Paradise as the youngest granddiva lives there. She should be safe 450 miles away.

Very sad story. As much as I love living on the West Coast, their disasters scare me more than living in hurricane alley. Sometimes it's the roll of the dice.
The death toll has risen to 31 from this fire so far. sad flower
So much utter destruction in the path of that fire.
I read about the 31 deaths yesterday.blues
BW - I only saw it on the news after I awoke today. sleep

O - The worst US president in history continues to demonstrate his ineptness in office.
Trump threatens to cut off aid to California in their time of crisis. crazy

It would not surprise me at all, if his main reason for going there, was a private meeting with Putin.

G - I have never been to Ireland. However, I know people who have, and they tell me it is a very lovely green place.

U - Life certainly can be a roll of the dice, and how to deal with the roll one gets.
Sometimes its better to change one's location. For instance, I do so each winter.
If birds & butterflies can migrate, why can't we. dancing

E - I've seen similar video on the TV. It must be horrible to lose almost everything
and have to start all over again, and even worse, if you lose loved ones, or your own life.
JN So much destruction and the lives this fire took.I'm hoping that the fire is put out soon before anymore lives are lost.
I hope so too B. sigh
Yea , blame it all on Trump if you all like , but take this from it , he is not responsible for vegetation control in these area's , locals need to eyeball their local government .
I'm definitely NOT blaming it on Trump.
I am, however, blaming Trump on his own behavior.
His statements are inaccurate and horribly timed.
Found these tweets by Trump

President Trump's tweet on California wildfires angers firefighters, celebrities
By Amir Vera, CNN

Updated 7:17 AM ET, Mon November 12, 2018
Trio of wildfires wreaks havoc on California
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Trio of wildfires wreaks havoc on California 01:48
(CNN)President Donald Trump's tweet blaming "gross mismanagement" for the devastating California wildfires is sparking a backlash from top firefighters' associations, politicians and celebrities.

In a series of tweets Saturday, Trump said the state's deadly wildfires are a result of poor forest management and threatened to cut federal aid.
"There is no reason for these massive, deadly and costly forest fires in California except that forest management is so poor," Trump tweeted. "Billions of dollars are given each year, with so many lives lost, all because of gross mismanagement of the forests. Remedy now, or no more Fed payments!"

Donald J. Trump
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There is no reason for these massive, deadly and costly forest fires in California except that forest management is so poor. Billions of dollars are given each year, with so many lives lost, all because of gross mismanagement of the forests. Remedy now, or no more Fed payments!

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He doubled down Sunday in another tweet, again blaming forest management.
"With proper Forest Management, we can stop the devastation constantly going on in California. Get smart!" Trump tweeted.

Donald J. Trump
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@realDonaldTrump
With proper Forest Management, we can stop the devastation constantly going on in California. Get Smart!
My ex neighbors moved to paradise a few years ago. They made it out but lost their home. They had time just to grab a couple of things before hopping in the car to evacuate. It took them 8 hours of driving to get out of the area. What an ordeal!
The thing is to remember that man has decided to live in areas where these fires are natural and have taken place most likely longer than man has been on this planet as plants like ceanothus need these fires to germinate their seeds and the giant redwood trees have adapted to survive the fires.
e - "Vegetation" ? laugh

We are not talking about tall uncut grass in a field, nor a few vines.
We are discussing a HUGE forest, that no one controls.
As LC pointed out, it took her friends 8 hours to drive out of the affected area.
I hope that helps you understand how big an area we are talking about
and that's in one direction.

As the gentleman above this comment wisely stated, these fires have been taking place
long before mankind roamed the earth. The trees have evolved alongside of them and adapted to germinate because of them.
That did not happen in a short time span.

If Trump really has a workable suggestion on how to control such a vast forest,
he should detail it at a later time.
Instead, his ridiculous statement had horrible timing and since he has no education in forestry, I doubt he understands the first thing about it.
He HAS demonstrated, that he is NOT an effective, nor an intelligent, nor an honest, leader.

B - Thanks for posting the Trump Tweets ridiculing the state of California in this matter.
I was not talking about grazing land , or grass covered areas . Full fire suppression is a mistake , planned burns , clearing forests back from built up area's , removing some housing that just can't be made safe , replacing trees with less flammable ones . Currently too hard , protesters would be up every tree , little old ladies having to move would be crying " no fire has ever killed me before " ,so we watch fires unfold every year .
epirb you posted this.
I was not talking about grazing land , or grass covered areas . Full fire suppression is a mistake , planned burns , clearing forests back from built up area's , removing some housing that just can't be made safe , replacing trees with less flammable ones . Currently too hard , protesters would be up every tree , little old ladies having to move would be crying " no fire has ever killed me before " ,so we watch fires unfold every year .

@epirb when I lived in Southern parts of California the road crews would do some of what you described.They also would put up signs if the temps were right for people not to use outdoor grills. etc.
Sorry JN I'm slipping on my "You're Welcomes" today.

You're Welcome.
same here , we have a clock face notice beside our roads , the hand gets moved to each fire risk as is required . Depending on those conditions we have to apply for burnoff permits as it gets dryer . Fun in this district 10 years ago , council fella was knocking back permits when burns could have been done , he then over corrected and allowed a fire when it should not have happened , many thousands of dollars in chopper and manhour time the fire was out , planned burn area was burnt well though ,very very well . Problem was he was an urban fireman used to structural fires not a rural fella , now both , our rural fire forces, which I was part of , and our urban forces have merged . Problem will get worse .
Unfortunately, the death toll has risen to 44 from this fire and there are over 300 people missing.
44 died and 300 missing.Oh no.sad flower
And the fire it is only 30% contained.
Just an update - 63 confirmed dead and over 630 people missing.
It's a shame the forest lands in California have been so mismanaged by the state. Thoughts and prayers to those who lost their lives.
heard it is over 1000 missing now....or, as of last night.

sad flower
Hi Johnny, are you back frim your travels? cheering
hello Jim, not read any comments here.....
but this is heart breaking so sad, such loss .. its horrific sad flower
Hello Molly,

Travels are going to be in the end of January time. :)

Thanks for asking...hope all is well with you.

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AC - Are you an expert in forestry management ? What degrees do you hold ? dunno

JS - Yes, sadly now 1,000 people missing and at least 71 confirmed dead. sad flower

IW - It truly is sad. So many lives quickly burned up. Finished too soon. sigh
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Finally some heavy rains to help the firefighters.
A new danger, mud slides, are possible.
it's the saddest thing ever..the people, animals...so sad, breaks my heart.crying
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