Philosophy

I became interested in philosophy a few years ago and made a casual acquaintance with some of the characters who have played a part in its progression since Socrates wandered about the market places of ancient Greece, annoying the locals. I can’t say I am any wiser because of it. I thought that learning about philosophy might help facilitate my getting to the truth of things. If it has taught me anything at all, it is that there isn’t a truth of things.

Perhaps a better way of putting that would be to say that the word “truth” stands for something different every time we use it, but it always seems to involve distilling or isolating something from something bigger. What we end up with is very often something that has to be separated from any wider context in order to satisfy our desire for a binary* outcome.

Philosophy isn’t really about getting to the truth, it’s more about getting to what isn’t the truth, and for that alone, it’s worth pursuing.



* I would have said “black and white” at one time.
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I think you are right.....identifying the things that are not true is much easier than trying to find the truth. There are very few things that are true in all situations. Economics was one of the subjects I took and there was always a list of conditions for any of the outcomes to be true. That is how truth works I think.
Ekself, where have you been? And what can we do to persuade you not to go back?
I shared a house once with 2 people who studied philosophy and that put me off philosophy for life laugh

An evening could go like this:

What is that?

Me:It's a chair

How do you know it's a chair ?

Me: Because it is a chair. It performs the function of what we call a chair . I'd be sitting on the floor if it weren't under me.

They then go off in a philosophical rant about the chair/non-chair


I go into the kitchen, get a drink and start watching TV whilst continuing to sit on the philosophical chair.
Is that a picture of a dead possum (or whatever it is) lying on the road, or a picture of a road with a dead possum (or whatever it is) lying on it, Jim? confused
I like a woman who calls a chair a chair, molly. wink tip hat
I'm sure if I had broken the chair over one of their heads, they wouldn't be discussing the philosophy of the chair with the police. It would have been a chair, end of.

Maybe it would be a good defence for me though cool
Harbal....its a struggle to spend time on here.....but good to see you all again.
And it's good to see you, ekself. It would be even better to see more of you.
Molly...there is also a possibility that you don't exist so did you hit them with the possibly not existing chair or not.
The truth is.........



it's called common sense.


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See now Ek, we are veering into one of those conversations that make me want to hit somebody over the head with a chair laugh
Baby, is that a Memento mori? angel

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Bo, are you speaking of the life of the chair or of the body attached to the head? devil
chair of course.
Mr Harb, i assume you did not read the recent blog of my clique . laugh

He posted someones words "nothing in life has a meaning, except the meaning that i give it".

The truth is as relative as the justice. ...........good for the lawyers.dancingsanta
I'd like to challenge your use of the word 'binary' in lieu of the phrase 'black and white'.

The phrase implies one established entity, the word implies two.

I like the linguistic logical basis necessary for philosophical discussion because the aim is to communicate information accurately.

I don't have a problem with a chair being a chair and a non-chair simultaneously, as long as Molly's in a non-huff.
Common sense isn't as common as the name suggests, Bogart.

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Bloody, the truth often depends on how influential those who claim to be in possession of it are.
You're right, jac, "binary" is completely the wrong word.

What made me think of writing this blog was a "training course" I was on yesterday. The instructor showed a diagram of three vehicles involved in a traffic accident that was developing. He asked the class which vehicle was at fault. A couple of them gave him a definite answer, everyone else didn't seem as sure but still felt obliged to make a choice, which they all did. I thought it was a case of all three vehicles contributing to the accident, but even then I was making some assumptions about the situation. The instructor said it was the first time he'd used this particular slide show and didn't have the notes for it, so he didn't actually know what the answer was.

It was a good example of how people feel they have to come to a conclusion even when they don't have enough information to justify one. Brexit would be another example of a car crash with numerous versions of the truth.
Do exactly as we say, not as we do.
Hi, Vier. I did my philosophising on forums such as this one, and even though they were dedicated to philosophy, they were surprisingly similar to this. I was always struck by how many people who consider themselves philosophers hadn't even mastered the basics of thinking.
I'm sticking with compatriot Epicurus, difficult enough wrapping my head round 'you ought to be happy' without going off on tangents like 'what is happy'?

Happy to see you back grin
Feels like expecting philosophy to help you get to the truth of things was rather naive Harbal. Hope you would agree tha the best we can do is acquire some tools or framework of thinking that let’s us explore beyond what our own mind imposes on us.
Well I do question my preconceptions occasionally, yaspark, and I try to remember that what we see is very often only the tip of the iceberg. Particularly when it comes to amphibious creatures. wink
Speaking of those amphibious creatures, hope you enjoyed the link with the sounds of ther love songs
I can't say I found the sound particularly amorous, yaspark, but I'm sure it did it for them. heart beating
Curious what they think of our love songs..Tastes are rather ambiguous
Harbal wave
Fact->Philosophy->Theory->X->Truth
Did I put them in the right order?
It's not a love song, yaspark, but I thought they might like this.

Hi, Kal. wave

I think more often people start with their preferred version of the truth and make the philosophy fit it.
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MiMi has no constructive ( not that I’ve said any constructive things on other blogs anyway! rolling on the floor laughing ) comment therefore I’ll just serve you coffee and cakes, ok? grin

coffee cake
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That's a relief, MiMi, if you'd said something constructive I would have had to respond with something that sounded intelligent. It's all too much work; coffee and cake sounds much better. coffee
I'll gratefully take tea with that cake if it's on offer coffee
Molly reunion

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I love when you bake, Mimi heart beating


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In my philosophy each culture goes through stages of development like a tree and the Renaissance was spring, the enlightenment summer, the 20th century was autumn and the new age is winter.

Through the baby boomers we are arriving at pre-Renaissance times. Civilisation has gone senile and as a greying baby it begins to resemble its infancy what came before the Renaissance.
Chesney your chronology is a bit off, the Renaissance followed centuries of the Dark Ages confused
Winter is coming. Not in a game of thrones White walkers invading from the north kind of way but a metaphorical struggle against the abyss of a new dark age.

There’s a reason Game of Thrones is so popular beyond it being well-made. Winter is coming encapsulates the spirit of our times. Winter is what the new age turned out to be - The 1960s followed by not really bothering with politics for 50 years is both the grandfather and the father of Brexit.
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