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When is a thief a thief?

For how long can we call a thief a thief? When somebody was caught stealing we call him a thief. If he’s sent to jail, we still call him a thief. But can we continue to do so when he’s paid his debt to society? Or is it once a thief, always a thief? confused

One can argue that being a thief indicates a flaw in character. It is probably true but once the person had been punished, is it fair to hold it against him for life? dunno

For reasons I can perfectly understand employers are reluctant to employ people with a criminal record but is it the right thing to do? Are we not forcing him back to stealing when we refuse to give him some way to earn an honest living? doh

Many years ago I employed somebody like that twice a week to work in my garden. That was way below his abilities; he was a chef before. I guess working for the much lower wages of a gardener frustrated him because one day he absconded with my electric drill, jigsaw and angle grinder. very mad

Everybody said it was my own fault as I knew he was a thief - which may be partly true but I say if he was properly and gainfully employed in what he was trained to do, this would not have happened.scold

How can we ever rehabilitate criminals if we cannot accept them back into society? Should we not take some of the blame when such a person becomes a habitual criminal? How else can he survive in this world if nobody wants to give him a chance to prove himself?mumbling
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Comments (59)

Change the word to rapest or murderer and re ask the question

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Catfoot
Hi Nice2
I don't think they are in the same category. Murderers, rapists, p*dophile, and kidnappers, if proved guilty beyond doubt, deserves the death penalty.frustrated
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They say a p*dophile can never be cured, they will always be such. I don't know about a thief.

My son was a little thief when he was young. However as an adult I trust him blindly and don't think he would take anything from anyone.
When is a thief a thief?


After graduating in prison for about 5 years, only then is he/she qualified to exercise their rights of not being caught.laugh
BeaPatient
Hi Cattie,
I don't want to elaborate on s*xual and violent crimes but I think a thief should get another chance but only once.
MiMiArt
My Arty is a thief!







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Catfoot
Hi Unfayed,
I have heard many similar stories. Maybe little boys consider what belongs to their parents as common property.grin

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Catfoot
Hi Luke, Yes, I'm led to believe that the prison system in many countries is just training centers for criminal activities.doh
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Catfoot
Hi Bea,
Hmm, I agree with just one chance. It is unlikely that he wants to change if he repeats the crime.
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Catfoot
Hi Mimi
One of my agents reported seeing him in Nebraska. He was said to be with a woman of Asian origins. We'll send him to you as soon as we can locate him again but I fear that the said woman is keeping him prisoner in her bedroom.grin
mollybaby
Hiya Cat, rehabilitation is important but it probably needs to be done in steps.
Firstly a job where they get to earn some money and self-worth but where there is nothing to steal.
Then gradually give them more responsibility as they earn it.
Catfoot
Hi Molly,
You're right of course but how often does it happen? I'm sure you read Lukeon's comment. Generally, a petty thief comes out of our prisons as a well-trained thief.doh
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MiMiArt
Catfoot, there are at least 4 other Asian houses ( Asian Invasion! ) around him, within 200m radius!! Please ask your intelligence agents which one house exactly?? roll eyes
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your thread brought a song to my head

Loco In Acapulco - The Four Tops (Buster)

the song explains being rich, from being thiefcheers
mollybaby
Cat, many probably do.
But does that mean any chance at rehabilitation should be ignored?
If that happens, those petty thieves who hated prison and want to go straight will never get that chance.
Catfoot
Hi Pedro,
I'm familiar with The Four Tops but I don't know the song you are referring to. I'll listen to it later.
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@Catfoot

its a movie too, the movie ''buster'' they get super rich from robbing
Catfoot
Mimi
According to my latest intelligence, it is you holding him prisoner in his own bedroom. If he wants to be liberated, tell him that we can send a swat team... and a negotiator in case they fail.devil

I trust that you're feeling better.hug
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@Catfoot

they get super rich

heres the song and it's a movie too

Loco In Acapulco - The Four Tops (Buster)



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Bearwoman
Catfoot some people are just thieves and there is no rehabilitation would/will do any good.
Catfoot
Hi Moly
Oh no! If there is any chance of rehabilitation it should be pursued. This is a typical case where one success can offset 10 failures.thumbs up
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Catfoot
Thanks for the link, Pedro.
I'll look at it later.
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Catfoot
Hi Bear,
When he goes back inside for the second or the third time, I'll agree with you but the first time it may well be worth trying.
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EXRED
Well thief is different from pedos, rapist murderers etc Petty crime, maybe he thieved as he had not food or something like that, so rehabilitation and help when out of prison may help hopefully. thumbs up
BadlyDrawn
For me it depends on what was "stolen" and why. I may or may not see this as a black and white issue.

Consider intellectual property, banks, the housing bubble, AIG bonuses, etc. So many thieves, so little justice.

But make damn sure to make an example of a hungry child who "steals" a candy bar with a 400 percent markup.

Get my drift?
Multifrutas
I think the American system is practical in theory, first and second times a fairly easy sentence third time you basically join the workforce for a very long time but are not a drain on tax because those long-termers have to work their buns off and without the prisoners the US could not compete financially with many fiscal rivals.

Some get upset about what is effectively a return to slavery but fact remains these are third-time offenders. So long as the courts are not biased (and yes that is one of the reasons people get upset because apparently some are) risking years of hard labour should be a very good reason to go straight

"Over the years, the courts have held that inmates may be required to work and are not protected by the constitutional prohibition against involuntary servitude. They have also consistently held that inmates have no constitutional right to compensation and that inmates are paid by the "grace of the state."

I did say in theory when I started this comment laugh The US does lock up more people than anywhere else in the world so either the threat isn't working or the courts are a little too keen to add individuals to the workforce. dunno
mollybaby
I think every single person in prison should have to do work. As well as staving off the boredom, it would also teach them skills and make them into more useful members of society.
EXRED
agree Molly I have always advocated that. Paid a wage too which board and lodgings took out and money to help their families on the outside.

Not only do we keep prisoners on the state we keep their families too, something wrong their
mollybaby
Red, I don't think anybody should get anything for nothing.
If I were dictator, there would not be one person getting social welfare and lounging around all day drinking and eating fast food. Everybody would have to work and be encouraged to better themselves by upskilling.
johnjjm
so many different kind of thieves ..and for most honest thieves they don't ever see jail ..and with petty thievery authority comes down hard on them ...how many of us can say we never took nothing I wonder or bought an item cheap at a market with a good idea it didn't come honest
Catfoot
Hi Red
right!
Not that dishonesty is right but we cannot compare it with violent crimes.
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Repeat offenders.

Prison didn't change their behavior.
Catfoot
Hi BD
I was brought up with the notion that it does not matter what or why you steal, it remains theft. Whether you steal 10c or $10, the punishment should be the same because it is the same crime. As I grew older other factors started to fall into place and I see things differently now. Not that I think dishonesty is ok now but I'm more lenient towards it.
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Catfoot
Hi Multi
I have always been in favor of getting inmates to work. They should earn their keep while inside. It is not right to expect taxpayers to provide habitual criminals with free boarding & lodging, medical services, and recreational facilities.
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Catfoot
Hi Molly,
Right again! New skills, providing it is of an honest nature, can only be an asset on his release.
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Catfoot
Hi Red
Hmm, the family if the prisoner is yet another burden on the taxpayers.
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Cat...

There are some people that you just cannot help...because they don't want to help themselves.


...not all thieves are like that...

...but there are some out there that are...

So offering them a job..

offering them even more than a job....only goes so far before they revert back.

I am not sure if it is psychological or what...but I have seen a person squander such great opportunities to only steal from people, manipulate, and totally have no respect toward them.

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Catfoot
Molly
Yes, certain jobs should be reserved for people with certain disabilities. Few people are disabled to the extent where they cannot work at all.
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Catfoot
Hi JJ
You know, when I was young we used to carry off stationary. I never had to buy pens, pencils, rubbers, copier paper, and the likes. Of course, it was not stealing; we told ourselves that it was fringe benefits but in fact, we were no better than any other thief. Only we were not prosecuted.doh
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Catfoot
Hi LaFonda,
That's right. Some people only get worse in prison. When he gets there for a second time he's not going to be rehabilitated. I say lock him in a cell and throw the key away.

Regular Jailbirds become institutionalized and cannot survive outside a prison. When they get out, they immediately commit a crime to get back in. It is too comfortable in prison. Regular offenders should have much fewer privileges.
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