America vs. America

Think we will hear some of the defense today, it can be interesting.

In what ever I have written about Trump, a main question for me have to do with the polarisation of the people. You have two main parties in battle over different politics. You have strong opposition to the impeachment. For me it has become a bit clearer now.
There are two oposing narratives, which is like taken out of a spy novel. There are Fox, CNN, RT news, CBS, etc.

It is pretty strange that Trump have had that many phone calls with Putin, and some have wondered about that connection. It may very well be very simple - he may believe the Giuliani thread of stories. Giuliani may believe Giuliani. And opposed to this, you have what the House investigation believes.

In any case, it should not be all that difficult to present the opposing camps of beliefs and flesh out what is true or not. The President have some explaining to do. If he cannot explain what the facts are, then he is deceiving the nation.

Present the facts.
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The whole purpose of having Trump installed as president with the help of Putin was to divide the US to make it weaker. He also knew he could control Trump with $$$.
Unfortunately, he has achieved both of those goals.
The biggest problem is that the Republicans are lying and twisting the rules to force a no trial situation, refusing to have opposing witnesses or allowing new evidence, in direct opposition to the constitution.
The house and the senate are two very different situations but the Senate are so afraid of losing their jobs they will lie to support Trump
Getting a 2/3 Super Majority in the 'Publican Senate to remove a 'Publican Prez has as much chance as a paper dog chasing an asbestos cat thru Hell.
That's Fact Based.

These Fact-Driven folks put the chances at 'bout .07 ...

Which is consistent with the basic assertion of the OP ...

Long story short -
Folks drinking Blue Kool-Aid KNOW The Don's guilty.
Folks drinking Red Kool-Aid KNOW he's not.

It's pure partisan politics as evidenced by the House vote & the side with the most votes will win.
Simple as counting beans.

What's open to conjecture at this juncture is how it'll play out with the relatively few Independent non Kool-Aid drinkers & how it'll affect the Presidential Referendum.
wave Luke! wink

I suspect it'll benefit The Don & he'll be re-elected.
That's my opinion, not natural law.

We'll know more in 282 days.
That's a FACT.

cowboy
BTW -
Speaking of .07 chances.

That's also the chances these folks ...

... give for Fauxcahontas getting the 'Crat Prez nomination.
She's a dead candidate walking & will soon be warming the bench along side Kamel Hair & Beano O'Dork.

Speaking of dead candidates -
Observations on the most recent 'Crat Debate ...
"The Debate Of The Living Dead"
"I've seen younger faces on money."
rolling on the floor laughing

Shall we consider the 'Crats' chances in the upcoming Presidential Referendum?
Yes. We shall.

This nitwit's a Major Party frontrunner to be their nominee for POTUS ...

He's in a virtual tie with a Communist who honeymooned in Soviet Moscow, has had a heart attack & would turn 80 yo the year he'd be inaugurated.
Assuming he'd survive the Election, of course. violin

I'm NOT making that up!! scold

Leftie SJW Snowflakes must prepare NOW for what's gonna hit 'em in November -

crying

cowboy
We might actually see this For Real ....

"Twenty years after his brutal '00 defeat, and 45-pounds heavier, the man who invented the Internet believes he has 'the best shot to win the whole enchilada in 2020, so what the hell?'”
More @

cowboy
@Frontnine35 "....Perpura showed videos of testimony by witnesses that were never released by the House managers...." - not sure I understand what you mean, as all that was in the hearing.
The link doesn't seem to work, nice2 dunno

cowboy
@rizlared - did look that way, but Mitch McConnell was in contact with the White House, and perhaps they knew the strategy.
1,000 'Publicans seeking House seats PROVES the 'Crat House seats are vulnerable.

Why?

'Publicans are eager to run cuz they KNOW The Don will campaign for 'em & 'Publicans have a staggering $300 Million War Chest very happy

Easy answer -
'Publicans are eager (energized) to RUN because they have an outstanding chance of WINNING!

Politics ain't Rocket Science, y'all laugh

cowboy
This is where I got a problem - but is this really true ?

"The process that resulted in these Articles of Impeachment was flawed from the start. Since the Founding of the Republic, the House has never launched an impeachment inquiry against a President without a vote of the full House authorizing it. And there is good reason for that. No committee can investigate pursuant to powers assigned by the Constitution to the House—including the “sole Power of Impeachment”-unless the House has voted to delegate authority to the committee."
Nope, even if there should be some technicality about process, the House cannot be ignored. Trump need to present witnesses and documents, but this is my belief on the matter.
Speaker Pelosi & Lawfare’s impeachment scheme could only succeed with a compliant media protecting it. The media was entirely compliant in not explaining the fraudulent basis for the construct.
If the media would have ever asked questions the fraud would have collapsed.
But that should be covered by H.RES.660 ?
Yet this "story" has already been debunked by several fact-checking sites, so a pointless argumentwine
Here's the answer, not that it makes any difference but:

"The failure of a full House vote to authorize the House Judiciary Committee to pursue evidence -via enforceable subpoenas- was a defect by design of Nancy Pelosi’s decision to initiate an impeachment inquiry by her decree, not an authorizing vote. Now this is what we've been saying all along...the call for a vote to resolve was never made to the HJC. She violated process.....

And here's the kicker. If Trump wants to contest it on Constitutional grounds, and wins....
HE AIN'T IMPEACHED!

Madame Speaker......you want your pens back?

cool
Pelosi held back the impeachment because she is aware of 2 key issues.

1 Impeachment will not pass in the Senate.

2 The democrats can not win in 2020 soley on a "hate Trump" platform.

While they are wasting time pursuing a doomed impeachment, Democrats are failing to project a positive program of governing America. The more focus is put on the Ukraine, the more people will look at the Biden family involvement there, not a pretty picture.

As one by one, the present Democrat candidates sink, it becomes more and more obvious that some yet unnamed candidate will be brought forth at the Democrat national convention, in hopes of unifying voters, and generating a great groundswell of enthusiasm. Hillary obviously hopes it will be her. Bloomsberg sees it as himself. But who will appeal to voters enough to beat President Trump's economy, jobs, and accomplishments? It will have to be someone who has a history of success to offer, other than having been the fiercest Trump hater.
appeal can be bought , Bloomberg can afford the cost self funding . Biden must be saved for the campaign . Trump will walk all over Biden come campaign time .
Elections can be bought , but money can't turn a pigs ear into a silk purse .
we have to stand by Biden till September , how Trump beats him won't matter , grimm reaper won't be denied . Bloomberg is a seasoned campaigner and a real risk to Trump not seen by the leftist media yet .
twas the night before election plus some the comments on U-Tube and news sites clips was where the election was fought out . Twitter to , I got banned from there for a misunderstanding what should happen to Comey and his FBI minions mumbling
Then WTF hasn't trumps overpaid team of the worlds best lawyers not just had the whole impeachment stopped? I say BS, that Republicans are clutching at ant straw they can bend to try and throw a spanner in the works, because they and the world know that trump is as corrupt as Al Capone and just as devious.
White House lawyers: Stonewalling was justified, subpoenas were unlawful

Deputy White House counsel Patrick Philbin sought to justify the administration’s move to stonewall subpoenas for documents and witnesses, arguing that the House Intelligence Committee did not have the authority to issue such compulsory measures.

Philbin listed several reasons for the White House decision not to comply, from the initial refusal of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) to hold a full House vote opening an impeachment inquiry, to the panel’s refusal to allow administration lawyers to sit in on depositions with witnesses.

“The subpoenas weren’t authorized because there was no vote or the subpoenas were to senior advisers to the president who are immune from congressional compulsion, or the subpoenas were forcing executive branch officials to testify without the presence of agency counsel,” he said.

Philbin argued that it was “common sense” that the House Intelligence Committee didn’t have authority to issue subpoenas because “the Constitution assigns the sole power of impeachment to the House of Representatives, to the House, not to any member, not to a subcommittee.”

“The problem here is there is no standing rule, there was no standing authority giving manager Schiff’s committee the authority to use the power of impeachment to issue compulsory process,” he said. “The House Democrats skipped over that step completely.”

Many congressional and legal experts dispute this logic. For one, the Constitution leaves it to the House to write its own impeachment rules; nowhere does it say the House must hold a vote on impeachment subpoenas.

(from Washington post)

- don't think their claim is all that certain
If that is the case and you and the rest of the hard right believe it, why does the hard right keep posting pro-Trump blogs and threads? Either attention seekingdunno or they don't actually believe Trump will win and need to make ego boosting blogs to show solidarity and support for the worst President in American history.
who would know , why do anti Trump supporters keep posting anti Trump blogs for years
the demonrats lied and twisted every thing in the house, lack of process, including ignoring what role the judicial branch plays.

No one in the senate has changed any rules or done any closed door hearing or omitted exculpatory evidence.

No crimes committed. No cover ups. the transcripts were immiediately released for all to see when the demonrats started their lies, cover ups, and the ones who have truly exposed so many with nothing but opinion and hear say. Most didn't even have any real integrity once they were exposed by the demonrat.

By the video released of Graham, I'd say every single demonrat and some of the rinos need to be impeached for the damages they've done and allowed to so many of the little people(their constituents).

By nadler's video example, he'd rather support an actual crime committed and cover it up with acquittal. That is the true demonrat way. As long as it makes the tax payers suffer in many forms while their own pockets stay lined.
More than likely you deserved it.. thumbs up

laugh
e.....I guess someone told them to.....lol.

?...And where are you going to find a highly successful liberal to jump in...lol.


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e.....I guess someone told them to.....lol.

?...And where are you going to find a highly successful liberal to jump in...lol. The term is exclusive....lol.


confused
And where are you going to find a highly successful liberal to jump in...lol. The term is exclusive....lol.

won't need one , just have Biden drag himself to election day alive , voters will see he's not up to it .
When you think freely and critically you will find issues are far more complex than black/white, right/left, or liberal/conservative.. yawn
and for the same reason I thought Obama was better than both who challenged him , and whats more they have both proved it since this fella was elected .
Never got around to comment on this - earlier I was inclined to agree, but not sure Putin need $$$. I think Trump make up his own mind. If Giuliani would bring anything useful to the table, he would take it of course. Trump needed the support of the GOP, but I don't think he has any intention to fall in line. Maybe why he used Giuliani ?
With Putin, he may be looking for a deal which suit him ?
"Never got around to comment on this - earlier I was inclined to agree, but not sure Putin need $$$."

It's just one Putinloonies opinion. Its not fact based. Again.....supposition is nonsense not worth commentary.
cool
Don't think so - they have narrative with strong suggestion, but without further documents and witnesses, they stand a bit empty handed. However it is not over yet. What they assume is different from a lie and as to process, this is not a like a criminal court.
P.S.
You're not on a need to know basis.....its none of your business....PERIOD.


cool
Front, that's a bold and arrogant statement even for a dating site. How high is your horse?
And P.P.S. Chat,
My inbox gets a hit at least twice a day. No arrogance there...just the facts Pop.

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