Evidence that Covid 19 was around in November?

A good friend of mine works at a hospital lab in a big city. Well, she does not play any direct role in the scenario, but she might have prompted indirectly some of the action to be taken.

Anyway, she has just informed....

Her mom's boyfriend was very sick in November. His doctor thought he might have lung cancer, but it was later diagnosed as pneumonia.

Just recently, in fact the results were gotten today. He and his doctor decided to test him for the anti-bodies of Covid 19, and his test came back positive.....meaning he has had Covid 19.


Well...either he had the disease in November, or he caught the virus later on and never even knew he had it because there were no signs he had it.



dunno


I am not doctor, but if I was a betting man (and I am) I would put my money on the fact he had the virus back in November.
Post Comment

Comments (78)

Just heard tonight on CNN about a possible case being around since November. dunno
Johnny it's just been confirmed..A medical examiner did trace back to November in Europe..People who died way back from flu like symptoms had what ever taken from them and frozen..Now these medical examiners are going through those frozen which goes way back..The person who tested positive in Europe didn't travel to China or overseas..So yes maybe someone from China or that way traveled to Europe or maybe not.
Not looking too good Merc. :(
Definitely not looking good for America at all..Those of us faring better are because our leaders are putting lives and health before money ad greed..People here aren't hungry..Payments made in time and still ongoing..We need a healthy nation to kick start our economy...No protests here to get back to work as much as we would love to..We realise that our leaders taking advice from medical experts is the way to go..I take great comfort power walking past a covid-19 station set up to test anyone who asks for it..

Unfortunately your leader is more concerned giving into protesters whilst America is contaminated because he has an election he wants to win so bad..
Possibly even further back than that -

"FRENCH athletes have claimed they had COVID-19 symptoms after returning from Wuhan, in China, back in October 2019."

Agree Merc, this is not the time for politics to be playing any sort of role....but as I watch the news lately....they are spinning their own political agendas in with everything going on. doh
Merc, I agree completely.
Z....that is interesting as well.

I just learned about the Military Games recently...on the blogs here.



I watched the opening ceremony...was amazing....but, I look at all those people there from all over the world and it is just perfect to spread a virus worldwide quickly.

Thanks Z


wave


...you too Merc....wave
Just a bit more info. I got the cough after a friend returned from Wuhan in January last year. He was going around shaking hands and socialising. His wife got a severe cough and her complexion was bright and rosy. Both our coughs were deep and raspy. This man has a high white blood count and I think this may help your resistance to infection, he showed no ill effects.
You infect others though
I have heard this alright. It may not have been the same strain of virus at that time but it was something completely different for me and I think his wife. You mentioned power walking, I miss going to the gym.
I miss my gym so much blues crying

My advice would be to get tested..Different symptoms for many but all lead to the same positive test of Covid-19.
I think they're going to give us credit, time for time we missed. I still work out with free weights at home, but it's the machines I miss. I appreciate your advise but they won't test here unless you're gasping. laugh
Some people don't have a cough let alone gasp..I power walk past a Covid-19 set up at my local hospital.

I can't get my hands on big machines online at all..Have been using tyre's off cars ad other bits and pieces..I miss & crave my water resistant training in the pool using equipment blues
Thanks Johny handshake
I had a house full of family & partners this Christmas gone, my grandson came with a flu, days later my eldest arrived feeling a little unwell also, within hours she was killed with the flu, both had travelled from the east. One by one the virus went through most of my guests, two became worryingly ill, but thankfully eventually came to pass all.

Since the Covid, many of them have wondered the possibilities could we of had the virus in the country earlier then reported.. because I've never seen the likes of them dropping like flies before, I'm open minded to their thoughts, but given I'm a smoker, and a good one at that LOL and because I was one of the few of us that never got it, I wasn't inclined to agree too much.

But this week I hear, long time smokers have a better chance than most ....

So who knows.

wave
Reboot I don't drive laugh
Better get off this track anyway and give the post back to Johnny. dancing
Thank you Reboot...

wave
Celtic...sad flower I am sorry to hear about your loss.

Similar here, with the two big holidays where people are traveling and families are gathering (Thanksgiving and Christmas). There was illness here as well within my family and friends, but it was with the women more so...that I can recall. Hmmm, I will have to look back at one of my blogs. I know there was a time that I got sick twice in one year and that never happens to me. I forget if it was this past year or the previous one. I know I mentioned I was sick in one of my blogs. hmmm

I heard the same about smokers too, where it was said it seemed they were better off. That is strange.

Stay safe IW.


wave
String,

I listened to the first half of the link. Thank you for sharing it.


The only thing that comes to mind is with this shelter in place, it did flatten the curve...so as that hospitals did not get overcome by patients. That would be my understanding of the benefit of shelter in place...vs....just letting things go, and let herd immunity do its thing. But again, I am no doctor and this is just my opinion.


wave
The French have just confirmed they retested a patient's specimen from December and it tested positive for the virus. The Chinese have confirmed their earliest cases were in October. As there has been constant international traffic between October and end January, yes it seems likely it spread fairly thoroughly before it was suddenly recognized as a worldwide emergency.

I'd said this in earlier blogs but it was nice of the French to confirm it.
If you remember, the first round of patients who died last year with pneumonia and flu like symptoms were buried or cremated and no data is available to go back and confirm if it was COVID-19 or other virus.
^^ quite a lot of test samples were frozen, some of those are being retested now
Me again Johny wave
either I've explained wrong or you've just taken me up wrong, but thankfully no one died other then proper Christmas and new years plans and celebrations. One of my daughters who does have ongoing health/lung issues, got hit worst and suffered with the virus most.

As for why long time smokers, I believe the Hair folics which help to filter incoming air, are more thin, some flattened as in damaged ... I have heard the socalled spike protein ( maybe not the correct medical name) but anyhow, it clings/sticks to the hairs, remaining causing most & worst damage... without such to cling onto, the virus flushes through the system quicker with less chance of damaging what became infected.

If this is true, what may be a good thing now, isn't in the long run unless we take warning from it...
....... says she lighting up a cigarette uncertain hole
jonny i believe this virus has been around a lot longer than that even. It was only recognized when deaths on mass happened

I think it was a mild inflammatory disease first and doc did not recognize, just prescribed steroids for worst cases and plenty of blood tests too for unknown phenomenon. then this disease mutated as it spread and now can be deadly.

all this will be found out at later stage. See some extreme .rashes on young children etc some things not touching lungs at all. So yes the mystery will be solved but sadly the death rate globally is so sad.

sad flower sad flower
@ Johnny~ wave .... According to the Chinese whistle-blower, Doctor that later died of the virus (suspect he was bumped off), the virus has been around since October 2019

The only reason that the end of December was made official is because that is the date that the Chinese got caught out and notified WHO. Then the WHO sat on it for the best part of a month before informing the rest of the world.


...... blues cheers
Trump can't provide tests for Americans, but he and others in office will get tested daily.

Trump thinks AMERICAN lives don't matter. laugh
Hello Viv,



As time goes on, we might even find out earlier even yet.

Thank you for sharing this information. thumbs up


wave
Celtic,

Thank you for the clarification...that is great news that I misunderstood you. :)


I have heard the same about smokers doing a bit better with this virus. I appreciate you sharing the potential science behind it. thumbs up


wave
Thank you ExR,

I agree with you as to thinking it goes back even further.

....for good reason.


I do hope you are wrong though about the rapid mutation....but, you might be right...it does align with what I have been hearing. uh oh

not good if true


wave
Hans....that would be interesting to hear the explanation from the WHO as to why they held onto it for so long, from what you say.

I wonder if there is a good reason for it?


Thanks Hans.


wave
Hello Amic,

Perhaps after all this, it might not matter what Trump does or thinks. Maybe more important what humanity as a whole does or thinks. dunno


wave
@ Johnny~ wave ... The current Director-General of WHO Dr. Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said in an interview that in early January they were told that no-one had yet died from the virus and they didn't want to cause an international panic believing that it was still contained in China according to the Chinese authorities....


..... blues cheers
Well Hans, that was brilliant, obviously they were right. doh
I think that what a President does or thinks should matter especially when it's publicly . That's one of so many that makes a President is different from us. And that's why a President should watch his mouth or action/reaction. Once his words or doings don't matter, it's time for a President to step down. (JMO)

Anyway, hope you and your love ones stay safe, JohnnyS. wine
An if you were amunst his bubble
You are now infected tooooooooooo
blues
Post Comment - Let others know what you think about this Blog.
Meet the Author of this Blog
Johnny_Sparton

Johnny_Sparton

Williamston, Michigan, USA

Hello,

okay...now you got to read about me here. [read more]