Belief and Proof

I used to spend quite a lot of time on philosophy forums before I found this place. Every now and then, someone would create a thread outlining their argument for the existence of God. It is amazing how many untrained bedroom philosophers think that they have managed to do what so many “great” thinkers throughout history have never been able to do; prove the existence of God. Invariably, they merely provide proof of their own stupidity.

Whether it be because God does not exist, or he arranged it that way, I think it can be safely said by now that the existence of God is unproveable. That is quite a remarkable thing when you think about it: I cannot think of anything as prevalent as God without their being a shred of proper evidence for its existence. Of course, attempting to prove his non-existence is equally futile.

Now, belief in God is one thing, but some of the whacky beliefs about God are quite another. And it isn’t just God, I include his arch enemy, Satan, in this. Satan is just a metaphorical thing to some people; just a personification of a sort of “spirit of evil” that is the cause of all the World’s ills. That’s not too bad, although it isn’t the most sensible way of looking at our misfortunes. But things become much too bizarre not to protest when assertions of Satan’s physical worldly presence are being scattered all over the place. Especially when people are being urged to take some course of action in response.

Satan seems to come in various forms. He might appear looking like a very keen body builder, but with red skin and a pair of horns. He very often seems to turn up with a goat’s head. That has always struck me as a strange choice of identity on the part of the evil one. I know a bad-tempered goat can be hazardous to be around, but it is hardly the most effective image for evoking fear and respect.

Anyway, the good news is that there is a way to avoid the clutches of Satan. The bad news -yes, good news and bad news seem to be inseparable on these occasions- is that we somehow have to believe something that only an advanced crackpot could have any hope of believing. I don’t know the details in the small print, but if we will only believe a set of absurd notions about God, we will be swept up beyond Satan’s grasp, and it will be on a day that is always very imminent but never actually arrives. We will be raptured, to use the jargon. It sounds quite nice until you hear the terms and conditions.

Prophesies seem to be very much in vogue lately. It is a disgrace that we were warned of the coming of Donald Trump hundreds of years ago, yet we still let it happen. The trouble with prophecies is that they never seem to come to light until after something you can loosely attach to them has happened.

It is thought mean spirited by some people to criticize religious beliefs, and I agree to some extent. When the criticism is unprovoked and done with the sole intention of offending, I think it deserves condemning. But when criticism is not unprovoked, and is a response to claptrap that others have been posting, I think it is justified.
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Everyone is related to somebody, Agentbob, it is unavoidable. dunno
We are all related, if we go back far enough.

Now, isn't that an even scarier thought help


I'm not going to that family reunion uh oh laugh
Yes, Equal, it is truly amazing what we can prove to ourselves.
Me neither, molly. Like God, I will be conspicuous by my absence. tip hat
Wilson, you can always find me in the kitchen at parties





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It's not a very dynamic performance, molly, and those backing singers look like they couldn't care less. smile
I always wonder what doctors think, when after saving a life through years of study and aided by science, knowledge and technology, the family of the saved person subsequently thanks god.

There is not enough time in the universe to change the minds of those who believe in something so invisible, yet have the ability to credit that invisible presence with everything good the see, hear or feel.

Vast wars have been fought in the name of religion and gods, by men who know how the manipulate those with this unwavering belief system.

Rely on god, it is fate! :(

I just wish that such believers in god only did godly deeds, but even evil is OK if it done in god's name.

It's the holiest, most righteous get out of jail card out there!
There you have it, Fella. Once you get someone to believe in God, you can start telling them what God wants them to do. Because, by that stage, some of the fools will believe just about anything as long as God is part of the picture.
It is a crutch to help those who do not want to take personal responsibility for their actions.
I can see how it would be attractive.
Some people are obsessed with it, molly. It is only a minority, but some of the stuff they are being fed is worrying. When you get adults being motivated by threats from the Devil, you know that something has gone very wrong somewhere. It's the 21st century, yet some people haven't moved on from the 17th.
I don't mind what anybody believes, Wilson.
It is only when they try to convince their 'truth" to others, who may be more vulnerable, that it gets my back up.
Faith and belief should be a personal matter. Not for proselytising and scaremongering.
Actually, molly, you have said, in a few sentences, what took me seven paragraphs to say. You got the message across much more concisely. tip hat
I'm sure your seven paragraphs would be much more poetic though tip hat
There will be one or two here that won't be reciting it, though, molly. smile
Oh dear, I hope string doesn't issue a Christian version of one of those fatwa thingies. uh oh
Don't worry. It'll take time to search YouTube for one.
You'll be safely asleep at that stage.
They have no power on the sleeping.
Took me a while, but eventually i seriously meditated on the Tibetan philosophies guided subject of matter of Emptiness, < >
I seriously examined my perception of existence or other of self (carefully) < >

Its my conclusion nothing can become a nothing, self, all matter has arises in interdependence upon other!

Whether a couple of duds wandered around out in a desert listening to voices in their proclaim the existence of some sought of creator or not doesn't really matter. Every object of our cogitation either has an ultimate truth or is in interdependence of other !!

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oh few mistakes sorry try again

Took me a while, but eventually I seriously meditated on the Tibetan philosophies guided view on the subject of Emptiness,
< >

I seriously examined my perception of existence or other of self
< >

It is my conclusion nothing can become a nothing, self, all matter arises in interdependence upon other!

Whether a couple of duds wandered around out in a desert listening to voices in there heads then proclaimed the existence of some of a one creator or not doesn't really matter.
To my mind every object of our cogitation either has an ultimate truth or is in interdependence of other !!
Thanks, molly, I will sleep soundly, knowing that. smile
Some of the perceptions of existence round here wouldn't stand up to close examination, rob. cheers
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