Knee Man's Mugshot...
I haven't seen the mugshot. I think something is wrong with that.Photo, yes but mugshots I've seen have a front and side view along with case numbers.
The photo I've seen looks like a passport photo.
Maybe they stopped doing that... otherwise how would you know a real photo from a faked mugshot photo?
Counterfeit 20 dollars. This whole thing started over an alleged counterfeit bill. That's a case for the FBI and should be in the police report.
Four officers were fired and only one (knee man) was arrested and charged with third-degree murder, currently out of $500,000 bail. Oddly, I read today he was in jail under suicide watch. Something is wrong with that.
If the other 2 officers who aided knee man weren't considered accomplices and charged, something is wrong with that.
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In addition NYC mayor Bill DiBlasio's 25 year old daughter was arrested tonight protesting in NY screaming at police. She did not throw anything.
Both Mayor DiBlasio and NY Governor Cuomo are unified in expressing, that a law shielding police officers from prior allegations needs to be changed to help inspire public trust.
Secrecy over police records is enshrined in 50-a, a hotly contested law that has been litigated up to New York’s highest court in recent years. Now, Section 50-a is getting more scrutiny than ever. A report commissioned by the NYPD, recommended that the department support amending the law to allow for greater disclosure. And the high-profile May (2019) trial of NYPD Officer Daniel Pantaleo put internal police discipline in the spotlight.
Did they?
Did they not?
I am guessing, that they will eventually be charged, after the evidence is thoroughly gone over for each individual
to determine the more accurate level of that "complicit" behavior.
It's critical evidence in this case.
Minneapolis is an outlier in allowing neck restraints
Most police departments in the U.S. don't allow neck restraints, said Andrew Scott, an expert witness on the use of force and former police chief of Boca Raton, Florida.
Minneapolis does. Its manual allows "compressing one or both sides of a person’s neck with an arm or leg without applying direct pressure to the trachea or airway."
That's allowed in order to control someone with "light to moderate pressure" or "with the intention of rendering the person unconscious by applying adequate pressure." The latter act is authorized only to protect officer lives with a suspect who is "actively aggressive" and cannot be controlled by lesser methods.
Scott said he's shocked that's allowed.
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For an insanity plea to be used it has to be demonstrated that the perpetrator did not know what they were doing was wrong at the time they were doing it.
As I proposed that there were behaviours which may indicate premeditation, assuming premeditation allows for any amount of time where thoughts to continue, or cease may take place, sanity was implicit in my evaluation.
To me sanity precludes not killing people coolly, deliberately, with a little smile, on video, in front of witnesses.
But sure, your way there is no lesson to be learned because it was just one sane guy deciding to kill another and absolutely nothing to do with strongarm tactics taken far FAR too far.
Okay.
Soon - I guess the only way to know if anyone healthy would have been at any risk is for you to get someone to kneel on your neck for 9 minutes, cutting off your airflow. That should give us some answers?
This has become surreal.
The fact that such a neck hold is allowable in this State is no excuse for actually using it, in this particular circumstance.
CC it sounds like you are playing God. Who would have thunk it?
There is a difference between a situation that is as bonkers as a bag of badgers and the psychiatric parameters used within the legal system.
which likely confused others. There are criteria in the legal system to judge an insanity plea. There are several on here, that may be considered insane by the majority, but would fail to successfully defend such a plea in court.
The lesson to learn is that the police force in the US has enough psychological and physical authority that an officer, or a number of officers believe that they can behave in certain ways that are wrong with impunity.
There are lessons to be learned about how African American citizens are viewed and treated in the US.
It's about the cultural norms which favour some, but not others.
These are not new lessons, but there's a lot of resistance to learning them. The culturally accepted narrative about African American people is a defence mechanism to maintain the status quo and avoid having to really talk about stuff that will hurt.
Agreed...
It contradict the Counties' autopsy.
More cover up by the police department....shame, shame, shame.
Ohhmg...very sad...
Not long, a minute or two. This should be a murder one case.
It contradict the Counties' autopsy.
LouLou, could those three things also be symptomatic of cardiac arrest?
Either way, were they obvious signs that Floyd was in trouble and needed medical attention?
Could it be argued that there were non-emergency reasons for those three signs?
I'm wondering if charges can be 'upgraded' in Minneapolis if evidence from further investigation warrants it.
If not, has the rush to have Chauvin charged created a situation where justice will not be done in it's entirety?
I'm not talking about a lengthier goal sentence as they are ridiculously long in the US as it is. I'm talking about a declaration of guilt which accurately reflects the event.
The verdict, whatever it may be, will have repercussions with respect to how culture changes, or does not.
I came across an editorial by a Prosecutor with 14 years experience preparing cases.
He dismantled the Hennepin County Prosecutor's case presentation clause by clause & demonstrated how it was worded to cast aspersion on George Floyd, left open whether Chauin actually Caused Floyd's death & overall presented a VERY weak case against Chauvin.
It was disgusting.
I'd share the link, but can't remember exactly where I saw it & can't re-locate it
I'm fairly sure it appeared in some East Coast newspaper
A bogus autopsy & a Prosecutor biased AGAINST the victim.
That's sure to have a Calming Effect on folks in the streets, no?
There's No END to the Systemic Stupidly!!
It seems likely that Floyd died of asphyxiation...his underlying medical conditions as the cause of death does not seem likely to be the reason he passed...imo...a heart attack perhaps as it was a stressful event...but a knee on the neck...the family was right to ask for a second opinion...
If it can be demonstrated that even for a second, a perpetrator had some understanding that his, or her actions if continued would result in death and where there is no self-defence parameters, it counts as premeditation.
There is no good explanation why the cops did not stop their colleague from kneeling on his neck...it was a medical emergency...life threatening...he begged for air...
There will be no rest for the US now...just what we needed...a cover up...it is getting ridiculous...time to move to Vancouver...lol...
For example, if Chauvin says he believed that George Floyd could breath (he says on the video something about Floyd having no trouble talking) and that he believed Floyd was trying it on, it may affect 'beyond reasonable doubt' if the charge is first degree murder.
If the three symptoms (loss of bladder control, eyes bulging, turning blue) could be symptomatic of a non-emergency medical event, then clearly that will be used. I just can't think of anything non-catastrophic which could lead to those symptoms.
It is possible that Chauvin wasn't aware of those particular symptoms because they were out of his line of view, but the other police officer was standing watching.
No matter what we can see in the video, there will be a defence, unless there's some kind of plea deal where Chauvin pleads guilty to a lesser charge. That could have social ramifications, though.
It seems simple having seen the video, but I think it's going to be a complicated case on many levels.