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“Public education does not exist for the benefit of students or the benefit of their parents. It exists for the benefit of the social order.

We have discovered as a species that it is useful to have an educated population. You do not need to be a student or have a child who is a student to benefit from public education. Every second of every day of your life, you benefit from public education.

So let me explain why I like to pay taxes for schools, even though I don't personally have a kid in school: It's because I don't like living in a country with a bunch of stupid people.”
-- John Green

Comments (49)

Bentlee
In other words/control/manipulation/indoctrination/forced thought, if it isn't introduced via the educational (manmade) system then it'll produce stupid people. What a concept to believe in such. So I wonder how this world transpired to become such when the likes of inventions were created by stupid people that didn't get as you say proper schooling. Wow do you have a paperback book I can buy

Intelligence at its best believing such nonsense: professor:
Said the man named Bentley, displaying his narrow minded ignorance.
Most education is a benefit to the people's, but the history side that's being taught is so one sided.. everything is taught in a way that the western way is right and the only successful civilization in the world..
LeeCharming
I think home schooling would be a million times better for children...the far left control the schools and universities...basically they brainwashing centres and only teach children to how to obey themdoh
Amicablesmiles
American public school does not have the same curriculum for all students.

Students are taught at different levels although they may be in the game grade (geographical location).

I have seen some STUPID people with advance degrees (could it be those are a the ones that paid for their certificates without doing the work?) idk.
Public education is far from Perfect - especially in the US. The curriculum often reflects local politics, often to the detriment of Truth. And yes, Western bias found in these varied curriculums totally ignores half the world's history and philosophical approach. As for home schooling, that great if you have stay at home mother who is knows how to teach and has the will to keep her kids on task - which is very, very small minority these day.

Consider though the founding fathers realized an informed citizenry was crucial part of a functioning Democracy, which is why they invested large plot of land toward the formation of public schools.
Amicablesmile - What you describe is the Merit System favored by the rich and GOP policy makers. They favor the Merit System because if favors their children.
"Education is the most powerful weapon which you can use to change the world."
-- -Nelson Mandela (then President of South Africa and political activist)
"An educated citizenry is a vital requisite for our survival as a free people."
-- Thomas Jefferson
History has shown us time and again that there are two paths to upward mobility
> One is education of all
> the other a coup carried out by the military few

The US constitutional forefathers carefully crafted the constitution of favor Education
We've converted a whole range of petrol stations to colleges never made it easier for a remedial to get a degree, but I don't see social order. I see masses of little knowledge tearing down monuments to people who did something with their life.
Bentlee
comfort That's ok olden guy one day you'll understand my comment, hug
So Chesney - what are you suggesting - we throw in the towel - declare education a failure and close down all the schools. Criticism is easy. Answers are hard.
Bentley - Criticism is easy - Answers are hard. Insulting me is achieves nothing - nothing useful..
"In his ignorance of the whole truth, each person maintains his own arrogant point of view."
-- The Buddha
Education is definitely important. Unfortunately US public schools tend to be lacking. I pay my taxes and support the public schools even though my son attended private schools. Back in the day, when my son was to attend kindergarten, desegregation was in play. The local school was 3 blocks away from where we lived. I went to that school as a child. I knew the principal. I called her and asked her what the chances were of my son being accepted into that school. Her answer was - no way - he was 25th on the white male list and even she couldn't move around enough students to get him in. They wanted to bus him to a south side school. Uh sorry that's not going to happen. We were fortunate enough to be able to put him in a private school. His graduating class had a whopping 15 students. High School - we sent him again to another private school. I was afraid to send him to the local high school not because of the students but because he would have gone from a class of 15 to a freshman class of 1200. I was afraid he'd get lost in the masses. Private school worked out well for him. Played football all 4 years. I was happy with the education he was getting and the freshman class size was only 400 students.
The sad part is that not all can afford private schools.
kpthatsme - I agree, the US public school is far from perfect. Unfortunately the public schools do not have the financial resources that private schools can tap into - IE large parent paid tuitions. That public schools are subject to the political whims of the time is no help.

Life is not always fair or just. Lifei is life. You make the best of what you have and hope for the best.
Bentlee
Good effort old guy, light on substance however. professor
Bentlee
If you take that critically then it shows your defensive mindset. Chill and introduce your mind to the origins of historical growth. professor
Bentee - you offer no substance, unless you consider insults a positive step forward.

"An ignorant man ages like an ox. His flesh may increase, but not his understanding."
Anyway I am done for the night, Bentlee - you are free to slander and slur as you please. My ego is intact.
Bentlee
Twisting words, your best defence, scold
I gave truth that y no idea how to handle, a-typical reply from a demprofessor
Bentlee
As always then you turn tailscold
Bentlee
BTW-actually your issue is your ego, but happy to hear you say its okapplause
Is that John Green of 'The Crash Courses' in which he talks at 20 to the dozen? laugh
So thanks for that, now I have acquired the phrase 'Murica moment' ...
FargoFan - John Michael Green is an American author and YouTube content creator. He won the 2006 Printz Award for his debut novel, Looking for Alaska, and his fourth solo novel, The Fault in Our Stars, debuted at number one on The New York Times Best Seller list in January 2012

The noisy wrong wrong thinkers from the right like quotes instead of real facts and ideas. Preferably quotes short in length and do not use big words. They hate it when they are forced to think for themselves, hence their YouTube and Fox News for their source material. And well John Michael Green is quite good at creating pithy short quotes.
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I find it sadly amusing that Bentlee would call me Professor in way of an insult. Sadder yet was Donald's proclamation "I love the poorly educated' at a campaign stop. It is like watching 250 years of American greatness go down the drain.
More like a conman luring his prey.
Bentlee
Oh jIMBO I figured ur jersey roots would offer perhaps a SCENARIO, of value, peace yet that's a lesson of value ur following can't learn. professor
loulou77
Olde

Some people here are idiots...as if getting an education was a bad thing...doh

For example problem solving in mathematics is important...how else do you evolve...it prepares us for life...the good and the bad...wine
Bentlee - I thought you might be a misguided Libertarian, but I was wrong - you are just another thru and thru idiot

Lou lou - always nice to hear from you. There was a time when math and science were held in high esteem - but no more. The only thing that matters that now is cutting costs and increasing quarterly returms. And dividend payouts to the stock holders. Mustn't forget the dividends. Employees, like voters, are an unnecessary evil - the best ones are the dimwits who not only accept their low level station in life, but actively defend the administrative body, no matter how abusing it turns out to be.

Dimwits like Bentlee
"All that we are is the result of what we have thought."
-- the Buddha
loulou77
Olde

It is amazing that some here are still worshipping the Orange man...lol...laugh

So I guess that is why Trump loves the uneducated...roll eyes
There was a time, long ago, when all the knowledge needed was contained upon the scrolls of Alexandria Library. Further knowledge was not needed. Then the library burned down and the known world descended into darkness

Now like then all the knowledge needed exists within the digitized clouds of Google. No further learning is needed, just an iPhone and flick of the fingers. And what if the cloud crashes, will there be any capable of creating a new Renaissance age of learning. Recreate the tool of learning - math and science.
Does the stupidity never end? As with Public (Proletarian) Broadcasting, the initial idea behind government schools was honorable, and fits with the idea of a vibrant democratic Republic being best maintained by an educated populace. The original educators were maiden graduates of "normal schools", who could write well themselves, until colleges and Juniorversities began to fund departments of edumacation. But don't take my words for it. Cruise the stacks of the libraries of these institutions, and thumb through the masters theses, and EdD "dissertations". Be sitting down, and prepared for a laugh. And chat with most undergrads/teachers. Clueless on many topics, that high school grads generations ago could wax intelligent/informed on. And read a few letters home from civil war soldiers, many with only eighth grade educations.
I've posted about the ueber leftie morphing at PBS/NPR, over the past decades, with more and more staffers emerging from the indoctrinations of the academy, to rise (descend) with the editorial management in only one political direction. But don't take my words for it, just watch and listen, and see if you are pleased or annoyed by the near uniformly liberal content.
So with the pathetic academic performances, with exceptions, of the Government schools. Almost all run by Democrats, you would think that fans of such would be trying to maintain a low profile, VERY low. But here we see a former teacher, and really, who's surprised, touting the merits of such.
The other death nail in the quality and politics of pubic education was the rise of teachers' unions. Oh, they have been helpful to maintaining many incompetents in the staff rooms, many with side/summer gigs as florists and realtors. And one lesson plan for 30 long years. But from standardized testing, including state regents, to the shame of tenure, to parent choice alternatives to their sterile dungeons, to $20K large per pupil in many Democrat run large metro fiefdoms---see what these unions "fight" for.. Again don't believe just fat little illiterate Vierk-gnome-runt. Oye como va, amigitos.
Or attend most school bored meetings, to see the same scene as in teachers' staff rooms---putting in time for the pension, and stepping stone walks to public office. Or worse.
Government (taxpayer) funded schools were great at one time, long ago. Now a good argument can be made that they actually detract from a vibrant informed citizen base. But everyone gets "A's" and a wall full of trophies. Reform is in order.
NO, Vier - you Trump followers show your stupidity daily here and elsewhere on a daily basis
okay Vier, here is something stupid enough for even you to understand

Hey, man. Take a walk on the WILD side. Argument and facts, instead of sticks and stones, will break my bones.... Beyond pathetic. Government school teacher caliber. The laughs never end here.

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