A genuine question - Affordable Health ACT

Why are so many Americans opposed to the Affordable Health Act?

The most obvious thing that sets countries like UK, Canada, New Zealand, Japan, Australia apart from the USA in terms of quality of life and equity is the public health system. Free healthcare funded in our case largely by a direct income tax impost. I think it is why the Gini index of all those countries is lower than the US, and why the US is almost the same as China. Ignoring the 'greatness' of USA, and the guns, it simply makes them better places to live.

Why is a country proclaiming itself as the defender of democracy and human rights so opposed to something like this social welfare? Something so seemingly caring and fair.
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I think it's because those that have money always want more, so it goes against the grain to spend money on something they won't benefit fromdunno These people don't possess compassion or generosity, all about me, me me. Hence why they lie about Americans who do donate money to public causes. Gates is a prime example, I dislike Gates but still admire his efforts to help those in difficult situations, Soros too.
So easy to spread lies in the US as most Americans are incredibly gullible.
Riz, i stopped at Soros. next time, put Soros first
That's ok, you wouldn't understand anywaycomfort
Riz, i can see what you don't. that's ok. have a nice day
Is it just about being caring and fair?

The British were the forerunners in industrial ergonomic research. It's not just about 'being nice' to employees, it's about recognising that optimum conditions leads to optimum output and that optimum conditions don't involve suffering. It's about utilising resources efficiently.

So it is with healthcare, education, living wages and welfare in general. It's foolish to think that part of a population is expendable when they are a resource who could be making a contribution.

If people are too sick, too poor and too ill-educated to even be consumers of any value, it filters upwards and impacts upon the economy as a whole.

The saying "a good workman looks after his tools" applies to the workforce and the environment.
@rizla and ash - where do Soros and Gates come into this? That's weird, or drawing a long bow at the very least
I forgot to mention that whilst the British were the forerunners in industrial ergonomic research, we now take little notice of it, preferring to follow in the US footsteps of leaching everything possible out of the workforce and giving back as little as possible, widening the gap between rich and poor.

As I understand it, Germany has taken on board the concept of providing positive conditions in the workplace with a view to increasing production, as well as having one of the oldest state healthcare systems in Europe. Germany has a lower Gini rating than the UK and a lot lower than the US.
"preferring to follow in the US footsteps of leaching everything possible out of the workforce and giving back as little as possible, widening the gap between rich and poor." thumbs down
We are incomparable on so many socio-economic levels.Be accountable for creating your own demise.
Scapegoating during an election year..is this also imprinted upon you.laugh
5:50a.m. Good Morning Fargo! wave
"So easy to spread lies in the US as most Americans are incredibly gullible." Riz
Casting dispersions much? comfort
Seriously asking a Capitalist country this is capitulating.laugh
Mostly because it's a nation of immigrants eroding the sense that the country is your family. The NHS was founded by indigenous Brits in their most collective hour. Rationing and storming and knowing that's its easy to spare a few coins when other would have given their lives for you.

The fact that public healthcare can optimise productivity is a bonus. It's not the reason you'd do it it's one result of doing it.
I often wondered what an indigenous Brit is, Chesney.
They are as indigeous as,well, Romans dunno
The original English language, so I've been told, was none other than Cwmraeg - the Welsh language.

The Celts were driven out of the middle bit of the UK into what is now the country of Wales by the Romans. It's difficult to conceptualise the movements of people into and around this Island, but the Welsh Celts were originally a Germanic tribe from mainland Europe, so I've been told.

If the Germans are perhaps the indigenous Brits, it explains why Chesney and I feel so at home here. grin
I realise this, but it is an American site and the blogs/forums have a loud voice of a certain genre which I was trying to connect with. laugh
How will repeal of Obamacare benefit the 16% of Americans below the poverty line?
Because they were not " Americans" attempting to use it and were not paying taxes into the system.
Numerous accounts of the ineffectual program is available, from any news source.Agencies and States had horrific problems budgetting and implementing it much as they do now with current programs to address covid for those labelled poverty (non-qualified ) with issues of overstaffed, non-profits and misguided personnel based on govt.funding.
Stop comparing it is pointless.
Muvh the same as attempting to learn from past failures with Covid.
Either money exists or does not.
Across the board poverty ...think long and hard.
*much
"it is an American site" CS?Doubtful,regardless it raises the question why you presume it matters.
There are branches, separate URLs for UK,AU,CN
and possibly mods are not even assigned by regions.
Global appeal is why most chose to be here over local sites.
dunno
@ash and greetings to you!
The Australian NHS was introduced with fierce opposition, and whilst far from perfect, and straining under the pressure of aging population (ME!) does us pretty proud. It costs lest than 10% of GDP compared with 17% in the USA. America has many successful models to choose from, yet rejects them all.
@ash (my thoughts precisely). I thought Oldeguy's Crows were absurd enough, nowHE wants to outdo OG.
Because Americans value LIBERTY above all else.

WE decide how to spend the fruits of our labor, not the government. We are not prisoners of someone else's idea of what constitutes "social welfare." We make decisions about how to spend the money that we earn ourselves, we don't cede it to other people. That goes to the heart of what liberty is about.

The vast majority of technological advances in medicine that the world enjoys today came from private enterprise in AMERICA. They did NOT come from socialist countries. Untold hundreds of millions of lives have been saved and human suffering relieved because America REFUSED to give up their right to choose how they wanted to consume their healthcare and not leave a personal matter like that to some government bureaucrat. America is at the forefront of medicine. It's where heads of state come to get treatment they cannot get anywhere else in the world. It's where people from all over the world, rich or poor come to get the care and innovative medicine they cannot get anywhere else. It is the very fact that America does NOT turn it's healthcare over to the government that these innovations exist. Take away the incentive to innovate and the world will be deprived of the unmatched medical innovation America has graciously shared with the world.

Americans value FREEDOM. They do not cede their freedom to ANYONE. That is the core of what has made America the greatest nation in the history of mankind and the beacon of freedom and prosperity admired by every nation in the world.
America isn't a follower, it's the leader.
The way 'colour' is spelt 'color' is a clue, but sitejabber appears to list the business location as St.Paul, MN, US.



For those of us who aren't from the centre of the universe, the site is clearly a US site with respect to it's cultural influences. We are in a position of having to navigate that in a way some US citizens perhaps don't.
We are in a position of having to navigate that in a way....dunno:
spell it however you wantcomfort
Coler
Kolar
Colour
Culler
With an accent please.help
Fargo..cool there is a " Fargo" accent too.
Ah, indeed there is and charming too it is - hence in this context I mention Lake Wobegon and Prairie Home Companion
Minnesota accent ...CS confused ??
Which reminds me - season 4 of Fargo commences here in a week or two
grin a wonderful distraction
America is more than a capitalistic country.

Greed, lies, manipulation to gain the wealth and remain on top drives these people.

An example of Trump telling the American people to take a medicine that has not been proven to help with Covid. It is all about his wealth and his investment....money, money, money.

These same people fail to remember that they can't take all these money in their grave....

Universal health-care will not be profitable, so it is not popular in America.
Just two reason why America always follows and rarely leads,

The American Apple Pie is not American
Despite the phrase that labels it the zenith of American culture ("as American as apple pie"), the flaky, fruity dessert didn't originate in the US. 
Recipes for pie can be found as early as the Ancient Greeks, according to the American Pie Council. However, medieval England popularized the dish, then known as "pyes" with crusts called "coffyns," and usually filled with meat.
Both Dutch and British settlers are credited with bringing the humble apple pie to the Americas.

America's national anthem is sung to the tune of a British drinking song.
When Francis Scott Key penned the words to the poem that ultimately became "The Star-Spangled Banner," he had the melody of a rather ignoble song in mind. "To Anacreon in Heaven" is a British drinking song that praises debauchery rather than patriotism — yet Americans proudly listen to and sing the notoriously tricky-to-nail tune on the Fourth of July and at countless sporting events throughout the year. 


Some Americans need to stop lying to themselves. dunno
The Chinese fortune cookie was invented in Murka ... peace

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@mic well, that is probably true - they are not eaten in China, where they perhaps look on them wryly as laowai nonsense. They do however use some of the cookie quotes on t-shirts.
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