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High time for the treaty, and embracing the Uluru statement from the heart

In Australia having no treaty and rejecting such a reasonable claim is reason for great shame.
NZ accepted the Treaty of Waitangi long long ago.

I was listening to Stan Grant with Richard Adams last night, and it just seems so crystal clear and unarguable. Why has it not become so! Shame Shame!

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Here is the original yothu yindi track 'treaty yeah!'
I don't agree because I believe the Aboriginal peoples of Australia in every respect should be treated as equals not some less nor something more anything other than equal leads to ever more racism.

Yes NZ has the Treaty of Waitangi but NZ is now one of the raciest countries on the planet. The original peoples of NZ were Moriori, they were definitely not Maori. Clowns in Ratna Church few years ago claimed they were/are Maori, they were not.
The Moriori are the true indigenous peoples of New Zealand, they inhabited the South Island for well over hundred years, Melanesian they had short curly red hair and habituated NZ for well over 100 years before Maori landed in Coromandel on the east coast of the North Island.
Maori are most likely bastard children born to Hawaiian royalty and were given a basket of rats then set adrift as Maori DNA includes Taiwanese blood.

The Moriori people practiced non violence, in 1835 a group of about 900 Taranaki Maori were taken to Chatham Island from Wellington by a white person and the Maori's killed all the remaining Moriori. Before that Maori hunted, killed, enslaved, screwed the Moriori women.
With the advent of the Maori Court in New Zealand, and lots of bullshit put out by members of the Ratna Church southern Taranaki / Kingcountrty (off shut of Catholic Church) New Zealand now enjoys one of high levels of racism in the world.
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The Moriori are the true indigenous peoples of New Zealand, they inhabited the South Island for well over hundred years
The Moriori are the true indigenous peoples of New Zealand, they inhabited the South Island for well over hundred years before arrival of the Maori
@rob your assertions and your version of Moriori/Maori history do repeat misguided opinion that I often heard when I lived there in the 60s-70s. I understand such opinions have been discredited by historians who assert the Morioris are actually Chatham Island Maori offshoot.

Claims of NZ as an extremely racist country are simply unsupportable by any fact. I have no idea why you say so.
Maori tribes did arrive from the mainland as as was their wont killed or enslaved a substantial part of the population. So too the North Island Maoris led by Te Rauparaha, with the help of some British ships, laid siege to Kaiapoi Pa and killed or enslaved many of that tribe.

The Uluru statement is very poorly worded, and should just remain as it is. I would suggest you read it some time.
@pat there is nothing poorly written about it at all. It is the essence of brevity and clarity and expresses three messages in a single page. Of course I have read it, but your remarks raise doubt that you have.
It contains factual errors, and is more of a rant than anything else. No politician would ever sign up to it.

I think more could be done to address issues on the ground first... But thats less glamourous.
Fargo, the treaty of Waitangi has to be looked into carefully its not all plain sailing like most people think it is..
Maori people under the treaty of Waitangi are equal to everyone until it comes to criminal laws and English laws, Maori people have right to put their own people on trial and convict them in a way they see fit..
It's almost the same as a diplomatic immunity, or the same as the US woman who ran down and killed that kid in the UK then gapped it out of the UK before UK laws could catch up with her..
to put their own people on trial and convict them in a way they see fit..
In comparison to the United States, it could be seen that way here too.On Native American Reservations they have sovereignty to govern in their own court.
They determine how oil rights,forest and fishing revenue,gambling are utilized.
A murderer fleeing should be charged and extradited.
Only foreign diplomats have immunity.
@pat there are few if any 'facts' that could be said to be in error. What facts are in error, specifically?
I was born lived and schooled in New Zealand with Maori I , i served in the army with many Maori Fargofan please don't bother talking down to me with you academic claptrap your presenting very rude in making statements like "Claims of NZ as an extremely racist country are simply unsupportable by any fact. I have no idea why you say so."!
You think you know what your talking however Maori didn't land in the South Island and vhe site you posted link to is publishing a load of crap, its just one version of some of the rubbish that's floating about lies actually :
"The Moriori are the indigenous people of Rekohu (Chatham Island) and Rangihaute (Pitt Island), the two largest islands in the Chatham group, 767 km south-east of mainland New Zealand. It was once believed that Moriori were a Melanesian people, but it is now thought that they share the same Polynesian ancestry as Maori people. ( AND I DISAGREE) {Whether academic know all's like it or not that is utter rubbish} {and I've told i believe that is a lye put out by the Ratna Church and that is what i mean not something else.}

Current research indicates that Moriori came to the Chatham Islands from New Zealand about 1500. Moriori traditions, however, hold that there were already people on Rekohu when the canoe voyagers arrived."!

I've already told you they are lying and that is what i mean not something else. Just show a little respect to other members on this site please listen up :
New Zealand was the last significant land mass outside the Arctic and Antarctic to be settled. The Polynesian culture emerged in Fiji, Samoa and Tonga from the earlier Lapita culture, which had formed from the mixing of the Melanesian peoples already living in Near Oceania with migrants from the vicinity of Taiwan. Around the end of the first millennium CE Polynesians sailed east into what is now French Polynesia, before migrating to the Marquesas and Hawaii, Rapa Nui/Easter Island and New Zealand, the far corners of the 'Polynesian triangle'.

That link is also a government link and other theories believed Maori traveled over a land bridge. Whatever they most certainly came from Hawaii and there DNA include Taiwanese and Language Malaysia. That latter alone sinks to bulldust your promoting. They followed the currents, winds and stars from Hawaii to New Zealand.
Its also claimed
Maori originated with settlers from eastern Polynesia, who arrived in New Zealand in several waves of waka (canoe) voyages between roughly 1320 and 1350.
They discovered New Zealand as they explored the Pacific, navigating by the ocean currents, winds and stars

Its not hard to find conflicting accounts including the following:
I am Maori, an indigenous person of New Zealand. I belong to the Ngapuhi tribe, a tribe that descends from Waitangi and other parts of Northland. My ancestor is Hongi Hika, who was once a Maori rangatira (chief) of Ngapuhi.
Try and convincing him/her that you know all about Moriori and the later arrival Maori.

We were very carefully taught at school about the Moriori, we were taught Maori and Maori and for you to propose you know better is an insult
Timelines, systems of governance and tenure... It's not for me to shred it, it was obviously written with the best intentions.
@rob your assertions and your version of Moriori/Maori history do repeat misguided opinion that I often heard when I lived there in the 60s-70s. I understand such opinions have been discredited by historians who assert the Morioris are actually Chatham Island Maori offshoot

you pos fagat , I know one who would knock some sense into you condecending thick head , you are nothing but a racist .
@epirb @robplum keep it relevant - this thread is about the Uluru statement - the Waitangi treaty is mentioned but is not moot. Why should mention of a treaty for Australian indigenous people cause New Zealanders to emerge barking and baying? Tut tut tut. Bring back Muldoon, is that your wish? You're naming me as a racist, now there's a mind-boggling stretch of the imagination.
volo74
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Epic rock dude, never forget that nature is a lot bigger than us!l: heart wings
Why should mention of a treaty for Australian indigenous people cause New Zealanders to emerge barking and baying?

For the same reason i mentioned in my reply to your first instance. Embracing the Uluru statement express that they are a sovereign people, and what they want all Australians to do to recognize and support this sovereignty, we already got sovereign state our head of State is Queen Elizabeth its a pity you never learnt that while attending university.
Not all Maori accepted NZ accepted the Treaty of Waitangi long long ago, which you posted in the topic header of this thread. I responded pointing out NZ is now one of the racist countries in the world that's why. And besides that lot of Maori don't don't like Queen Elizabeth as head of state but she and no communist or academic clowns should be allowed change that lest of a bunch of liars who harbor hidden agendas... sigh
Sovereign State
The Queen or appointed head of state or nominal head of state is irrelevant. One central government, a defined area. Don't keep on introducing irrelevancies. Australia America Canada South America were all invaded and conquered by British and European invaders. Not all the occupants were slaughtered and there are survivors.
You still show no evidence of NZ as an extremely racist country. There is none.
You think I am rude to point out lack of facts. So be it.
DNA research would surely, and almost certainly has established connection between Maori and Moriori, but I haven't found published results. No more of this please.

Waitangi may be rejected by some, but is accepted as a great step forward by most.

A treaty in Australia would probably also be widely accepted now. But conservative governments are precisely that. You will find many who say Turnbull's dismissive rejection is the greatest shame he has to bear.
No it wouldn't. Maybe one of the loony Greens muppets would support it, but that would be about it.

It came from the right place, but poorly executed and impossible to work with in reality.
@pat think back to the Kevin Rudd apology. What was the public feeling of relief and release back then?
@epirb
pos fagat? Meaning please.
Knock some sense into me knocking usually knocks one senseless doesn't it. Violence is your response?
Condescending? If I were to stoop to your level, that would indeed be condescending. So you acknowledge I need to speak at a lower level?
Nothing but a racist? Where where is there a single exhibition of racism?

Nothing but piss and wind you, and you are facing in the wrong direction, try downwind.
volo74
Think back to Kevin Rudd... OK so what actually changed at ground level? Out in the communities? ...Pretty much nothing.

My understanding, is that the constitution would have to be changed, and for that a referendum. It might get great support in inner city suburbs down South, but even then my guess is not really.
@pat bring on the referendum, the republic, the treaty. Like same sex marriage, let us grow as a good nation.
Contact your local member, write to the prime minister... See how it goes. My guess would be the big round filing cabinet.

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