Personal & Societal Irresponsibility has consequences, which should include financial responsibility
Letters to the editor from the Houston Chronicle;In response to:
'Enough is enough' - unvaccinated should face financial consequences
Taking personal responsibility
Regarding “Editorial: Texas’ nursing shortage is costing lives, and Gov. Abbott let it happen,” (Aug. 17): Gov. Greg Abbott’s support comes largely from rural areas and, as you point out, hospitals in those areas are bearing the brunt of his decisions. But those decisions are largely supported by the folks in those areas. His lack of leadership is actually a reflection of his base and he continues to build a large re-election campaign fund from that base. How long are the rest of us going to allow this sick system to continue?
It is past time for those of us that are vaccinated to say enough is enough to those adults that choose to not be vaccinated. There need to be financial consequences for those who are not vaccinated who contract COVID, not extraordinary measures to treat them. Personal responsibility is, after all, a conservative mantra. There is no “right” to bring our health care system to the brink due to lack of personal responsibility.
Julie Marinucci, Houston
As coronavirus infections surge there has been increasing concern about the availability of hospital beds in many cities, including Houston. It is curious that while many restaurants, shops and other businesses allow entrance only to vaccinated customers, no hospitals have similar requirements, even as space becomes short. How does it serve equity or public health if a sick patient, through no fault of his own, or a sick child — not eligible for vaccination — is turned away because all the beds are filled with people who, by their own preference for “personal choice,” and despite the danger they pose to others in the community, refuse vaccination? Of course, if there is no shortage of beds, these people should be admitted, but in light of the increased threat that they pose to staff and other patients, it would be reasonable to impose an additional charge for their treatment.
The possibility of higher hospital costs or refusal of admittance to a hospital might convince some to get the vaccine. The economic incentive could be carried a step further if the insurance companies refused to pay the medical costs of the unvaccinated. This is not a drastic action. Most insurance policies require that the insured take normal steps to avoid an insured loss. A homeowner cannot burn the house down and collect on the fire insurance policy.
Paul Horvitz, Houston
'Enough is enough' - unvaccinated should face financial consequences
Taking personal responsibility
Regarding “Editorial: Texas’ nursing shortage is costing lives, and Gov. Abbott let it happen,” (Aug. 17): Gov. Greg Abbott’s support comes largely from rural areas and, as you point out, hospitals in those areas are bearing the brunt of his decisions. But those decisions are largely supported by the folks in those areas. His lack of leadership is actually a reflection of his base and he continues to build a large re-election campaign fund from that base. How long are the rest of us going to allow this sick system to continue?
It is past time for those of us that are vaccinated to say enough is enough to those adults that choose to not be vaccinated. There need to be financial consequences for those who are not vaccinated who contract COVID, not extraordinary measures to treat them. Personal responsibility is, after all, a conservative mantra. There is no “right” to bring our health care system to the brink due to lack of personal responsibility.
Julie Marinucci, Houston
As coronavirus infections surge there has been increasing concern about the availability of hospital beds in many cities, including Houston. It is curious that while many restaurants, shops and other businesses allow entrance only to vaccinated customers, no hospitals have similar requirements, even as space becomes short. How does it serve equity or public health if a sick patient, through no fault of his own, or a sick child — not eligible for vaccination — is turned away because all the beds are filled with people who, by their own preference for “personal choice,” and despite the danger they pose to others in the community, refuse vaccination? Of course, if there is no shortage of beds, these people should be admitted, but in light of the increased threat that they pose to staff and other patients, it would be reasonable to impose an additional charge for their treatment.
The possibility of higher hospital costs or refusal of admittance to a hospital might convince some to get the vaccine. The economic incentive could be carried a step further if the insurance companies refused to pay the medical costs of the unvaccinated. This is not a drastic action. Most insurance policies require that the insured take normal steps to avoid an insured loss. A homeowner cannot burn the house down and collect on the fire insurance policy.
Paul Horvitz, Houston
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People are finding excuses NOT to be personally nor socially responsible.
Those people should be held accountable for their irresponsible activities.
It's ironic that you mention "hygiene" though because I've never lived in Los Angeles but I'm pretty sure that Jimbob would supply the toilet paper as I squat in broad daylight.
But anyways Raph, I digress, Jimbob and your good self prefer Biden compared to Trump. Person hygiene isn't really a problem here in NZ........we have a thing called running water, toilets etc. No worries bro, Biden has washed his hands
Fair enough. I've just admitted to you and all and sundry that I've never been to America. You have a point and you're right but here's a true fact regardless whether I've been to America (USA) or not. On your Mexican border, your new "tourists" haven't been to America (USA) either
BTW, as you quite rightly said, I have no clue just as much as your new 'tourists' don't.
Anyway's Jimbob, you sound like a 'nice' guy..........don't forget to spread your love amongst your neighbourhood.
Hi jim, hi raphy.
If they won't behave responsibly they should face the stick not the carrot. There's too much at stake here for the nice approach.
Indeed, those who do, should be reported to the FBI.
I also think, that those who spread pandemic misinformation should be held accountable.
Indeed, those who do, should be reported to the FBI.
Reallocate Personnel & Resources away from investigating CRIME in order to follow Social Media & Twitter??
Then present evidence to a U.S. Attorney for Prosecution of Upsetting Messaging?
Polls show that for the 1st time -
Fewer than 1/2 now trust Ol' Joe to tell truth regarding the Pandemic.
It's the Jabbed, with an mRNA treatment, that permits the virus to mutate, that are breeding the mutations.
It's the Jabbed, who are in a worse position, post-Jab, than those who've had nothing at all, due to ADE.
It's the Jabbed, who are being permanently damaged or killed by the toxic effects of the spike proteins the Jab triggers within the body, by the thousands and hundreds of thousands.
Forrest Gump once said:
Stupid is as stupid does.
You can do a reverse image search, find her true identity, hunt her down, and surprise her with a big Norwegian hug and some Bunt cake.
It's the Jabbed, who can contract, asymptomatically carry, and infect others.
It's the Jabbed, with an mRNA treatment, that permits the virus to mutate, that are breeding the mutations.
It's the Jabbed, who are in a worse position, post-Jab, than those who've had nothing at all, due to ADE.
It's the Jabbed, who are being permanently damaged or killed by the toxic effects of the spike proteins the Jab triggers within the body, by the thousands and hundreds of thousands.
What the FBI does is investigate crime, and purposely spreading lies like this, since it misleads people
to do harm to themselves, is criminal.
You are inflaming potentially reasoned debate in a bid to widen the gap and distinguish between one side and the other. You are not trying to find middle ground where we share commonality.
Pitting folks against One Another rather than THE VIRUS ...
... What's Left is Choosing One's SIDE.
Every single time they use a different reason and blame new scapegoats.
This is precisely the type of misinformation that needs to be reported to the FBI.
What the FBI does is investigate crime, and purposely spreading lies like this, since it misleads people to do harm to themselves, is criminal.
Be sure to point out to 'em What Legally Defined Criminal Act needs Investigating.
They can pull a people & resources from, say, the Murder of Gabby Petito.
Circle back & let us know how that goes ...
Ignore the embezzlement of $6 billion from State Department Funds, collusion with foreign nationals to rig an election and the sale of one-fifth of US Uranium reserves to the Russians.
But -- gosh darnit -- get a plane load of FBI agents to investigate a garage door pull-down loop at NASCAR for rassis motives!
Fauci said this last year:
Importantly, the initial COVID-19 vaccines will prevent symptoms in those who become infected with the coronavirus rather than kill the virus itself, Anthony Fauci, MD, director of the National Institute for Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said during the Yahoo Finance All Markets Summit on Monday.
“The primary thing you want to do is that if people get infected, prevent them from getting sick, and if you prevent them from getting sick, you will ultimately prevent them from getting seriously ill,” he said.
“Almost invariably they get minimal symptoms or no symptoms at all,” but new research shows they average about the same level of virus in their nasal pharynx as they unvaccinated, so that’s why vaccinated people need to wear masks indoors, Fauci said on CBS‘s “Face The Nation.”
Further discussion why this is important HERE:
-- Fauci, Dr. Ouchy
And, even after the Jab, things get worse, not better, and Jabee's should have been informed of the risks.
Informed consent disclosure to vaccine trial subjects of risk of COVID-19 vaccines worsening clinical disease
Results of the study: COVID-19 vaccines designed to elicit neutralising antibodies may sensitise vaccine recipients to more severe disease than if they were not vaccinated.
... the data generated in the development and testing of these vaccines suggest a serious mechanistic concern: that vaccines designed empirically using the traditional approach (consisting of the unmodified or minimally modified coronavirus viral spike to elicit neutralising antibodies), be they composed of protein, viral vector, DNA or RNA and irrespective of delivery method, may worsen COVID-19 disease via antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE).
This risk is sufficiently obscured in clinical trial protocols and consent forms for ongoing COVID-19 vaccine trials that adequate patient comprehension of this risk is unlikely to occur, obviating truly informed consent by subjects in these trials.
What country are you in Herr Kommissar?
We fought wars against people who tried foisting that kind of dictorial mindset.
It's just that sort of contemptuous arrogance that is going to kick off a civil war.
You don't have that right to pick and choose what words get spoken.
Many things were in development at the time and we weren't certain what the actual approved
treatments & vaccines would be. Fauci was talking theoretically, indicating that relieving the symptoms initially would save lives and that should be the minimal immediate goal.
Preventing symptoms is a “primary endpoint” in the vaccine development process, Fauci said. Getting rid of the virus altogether is considered a “secondary endpoint.”
They DO both endpoints. HOWEVER, the Delta Variant is a much newer alternate, more infective form of the virus spreading faster and causing more "break through" infections of the vaccinated.
This does not mean that people shouldn't get vaccinated. It's just that the positive effects of the vaccine preventing infection are somewhat diluted because of the greater ease of infection of the Delta Varient. However, the vaccinated have a much higher probability of recovering from the disease and the symptoms are usually less severe than with the unvaccinated.
You don't have that right to pick and choose what words get spoken.
I'll let the legal system sort that out.
Fauci's patent application history of both the virus and the purported cure, date back to 1999.
The history of the Jab since 2020 shows that it has killed more and damaged more people than all other vaccines, combined, over the last 30 years. And the numbers we have are just the 1 to 10 percent of deaths and adverse reactions we know about.
But the bottom line is neither you, nor anyone else has the right or authority to squelch anyone else expressing their opinion or providing information.
Your thought patterns match that of Statist Kommissars or Gauleiters, not that from a Constitutional Republic.
North Korea is nice this time of year.
You should go.
Again, coming from you, I am not surprised in the least.
You have just made a claim which supports all sorts of heinous acts.
Is that in your character?
Designed by Hugo Boss.
You know better than to post without attribution or link.
Sounds like the work of political assassin Gloria Allred and her spawn Amanda Blum. Deployed regularly to dish out Soviet style KOMPROMAT.
You know, like the faked'up Russian Pee Dossier?
Rehashing old lies and half-truths?
I have to do things in TRW for a bit.
Hold my spot.