Revolver News investigative series on Jan 6

This is the latest article:
A fascinating investigative deep-dive on a man named Ray Epps (and others), a leading figure among those who stormed the Capitol on Jan 6. What's most fascinating of all is that Epps does not seem to have been arrested or charged, indeed his photos were mysteriously disappeared from the "wanted" section of the FBI website seeking those involved in the events, right after another Revolver News investigative piece came out earlier this year. Like Oathkeepers leader Stewart Rhodes, Epps has apparently evaded prosecution, despite playing a leading role in events. This fact has led to suspicion that Rhodes, Epps, and other major players like John Sullivan (who was arrested but quickly released) may indeed have been working for the FBI, provoking and encouraging and facilitating the events of that day.

And if that indeed was the case, then it could be a direct follow-on from the 'Michigan Kidnapping Plot' which came to the fore of the news shortly before the election last year. Subsequently we found out via court filings that over HALF of the individuals involved in this plot were working for the FBI, which begs the question were they informing or were they FORMING the plot, for political purposes and to garner headlines/influence public opinion ahead of an election. This is what Buzzfeed News had to say about that case:

"An examination of the case by BuzzFeed News also reveals that some of those informants, acting under the direction of the FBI, played a far larger role than has previously been reported. Working in secret, they did more than just passively observe and report on the actions of the suspects. Instead, they had a hand in nearly every aspect of the alleged plot, starting with its inception. The extent of their involvement raises questions as to whether there would have even been a conspiracy without them."

Also of much interest is that the head of the FBI Michigan field office who was in charge of investigating that 'plot' was shortly thereafter promoted to lead the Washington D.C. field office ahead of January 6. Coincidence? Or conspiracy?
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You will enjoy the news coming out this week. It will make your "conspiracy" too petty for any one to bother with. Even if its true.uh oh wow wow
But raph what is it ... the news that you know about??

You just jump on here with 'MY STORY IS GONNA BE BIGGER THAN YOUR STORY'
soooooooooooooooo spill the beans raph .. orrrrrrrrrrrrr go back to your nap.
The excitement is almost palpable isn't it.thumbs up
It would be far more interesting if the FBI had infiltrated the Michigan kidnapping plot.

The End of the World study in 1956 followed a small cult whose leader had predicted the end of the world. Obviously it didn't happen, but the social psychology term 'cognitive dissonance' was coined as a result of the conflict/resolution dynamic brought about by the failed prophecy.

The study methodology was criticised because it was a small cult that was so infiltrated by eager psycholgists tasked with observational study that they made up a significant percentage of the followers. The trouble with that is it like affected the dynamic: the more 'believers' the more social influence there is to believe, the more belief, the greater the cogntive dissonance. In other words, the incognito academics likely impacted upon outcomes.

Conspiracy skullduggery where the FBI deliberately created the plot to make poor wee Trump look naughty and effect an election fabrication is one narrative, but perhaps cocking up in the manner of The End of the World Study is more realistic and worrying.

An unintentional, unconscious negative outcome due to the standard practises of a large law enforcement agency will likely have far reaching consequences, assuming there's truth in this scenario.

The thing with all this conspiracy stuff is no one seems to come up with anything inventive. dunno
Conspiracy theories are for those with simple minds, so any kind of expectation of imagination is impossible.
"It would be far more interesting if the FBI had infiltrated the Michigan kidnapping plot."

They DID infiltrate it laugh That's the entire point and why people are so suspicious of it. Discovery in the court case showed over half of the people involved were working with the feds. And they weren't just acting as informants. They were actively encouraging, facilitating and funding the 'plot'. There's a name for that - entrapment. You would do well to read the article Jac. Open your mind.

And Riz, with an ever helpful comment as usual! Very well practiced in ignoring facts and denying reality with ad hominem attacks of "conspiracy theories" blah blah blah blah blah blah etc.
This is the latest article:


The video in the article doesnt play the response to his agitations to go into the capital? Others were saying no to him while others chanted Fed Fed Fed
A strange use for "ad hominem", seeing as my comment was not directed to anyone specifically.

But if the shore fits, who am I to disagree?


ad hominem
/ad 'h?m?n?m/
adjective
(of an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining.
"an ad hominem response"
adverb
1.
in a way that is directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining.
"these points come from some of our best information sources, who realize they'll be attacked ad hominem"
2.
in a way that relates to or is associated with a particular person.
"the office was created ad hominem for Fenton"

You're welcome.
I've just explained to you how it would be so much than simple entrapment.

I've just handed an argument against the current US system to you on a plate, and yet you still bombastically claim you know what's what and I need to open my eyes. rolling on the floor laughing

PS. Don't be using that 'sheeple' narrative again. You'll embarass yourself.
Why would the FBI arrest one of their very own Agents?confused
He acted as the Judas-Goat,and acted the part well!
That's odd, because I heard Red Red Red. Try closing your eyes so you can't be prompted by the subtitles.



Perhaps that bit was cut off from the video cited later because of lip-reading potential. That's hw I'd cnfirm what they were really saying.

Somebody in the twitter video is heard saying, "I can't see that" when Massie was holding up the wee screen. This Fed chant isn't being made clear, but being implied, rightly, or wrongly.

I didn't see anything in this article that was definitve. Maybe people shouted Fed, Red, or something else; maybe Epps is a federal agent, has made a deal with law enforcement where he co-operates in exchange for information (his desire for people not to get hurt would be easy to manipulate), or something else.

The whole article is lead by implication, not evidence. Why make the point of being able to find out everything about Epps through social media including his plumber, if not to imply the journalists are in the know, even though they present no actual evidence that this old timer is a federal agent?

His age would be another thing that would be easy to manipulate. A twenty, or even ten year sentence, would mean he'd likely die in prison.
@ Jac … possible Fed involvement…

I must be going bonkers for sure. I recall you told me that you can not hear anything. confused

Body language and shaking heads reinforce I am, hearing Red not Fed and a clear No in this subtitled video


Regarding the Whitmer kidnapping plot, there has been no trial.
One person pleaded guilty and the trial for the other 5 has been postponed.
The defense is TRYING to argue for entrapment.

Regardless, the inclusion of FBI agents led to the plot not becoming a reality.
The plot was foiled, not led.
I refuse to believe you're that naive to simply believe that, Jim. We have the FBI, who we now know used a phony dossier funded by Hillary Clinton, and doctored evidence - in order to illegally spy on the Trump campaign, and then lied about it in an attempt to cover it up. The same FBI who has refused to investigate the most destructive riots in living memory - last summer with BLM & Antifa in the aftermath of George Floyd's death, where dozens died and hundreds were seriously injured. The same FBI that has conducted early morning armed SWAT raids on individuals who were merely in the vicinity of The Capitol on Jan 6 and engaged in no violence whatsoever. The same FBI who's current leader - Chris Wray - sat on intelligence of likely threats ahead of Jan 6 and refused to participate on security conference calls with the department of defense and Congress. I think you secretly love it Jim. The idea of immensely powerful state security apparatus being used as a weapon to hurt those with whom you disagree ideologically - is a turn-on to you.
I've always maintained that I'm not profundly deaf, but hearing impaired, Gal.

Some things I can't hear at all, like that time you put up a music video and I couldn't hear Stewart Copeland drumming. I could hear lots of other musicians and I could see Copeland was drumming, but I have some frequencies missing, some partially missing, some okay.

Having seen the video you just put up, I agree now I can lipread, it does look like the man at the front is accusing Epps by shouting 'Fed' and pointing at him. It seems some cheering might have been for Epps' suggestion they enter the Capitol, and some for the 'Fed' accuser.

What does that prove? Where is the evidence that Epps is indeed a 'Fed'?

Could the 'Fed' accuser have been paranoid about being deliberately incited by the FBI, but incorrect?

Could the accuser have been sharp-witted enough to try and diffuse the call for storming the Capitol?

Could he have been a 'Fed' planted to discourage/psycholgically intimidate in the interests of diffusing a looming insurrection?
make no mistake. Jim has a major hardon for bs
If I were you Crypt I would leave "hard ons" out of the thread.uh oh
Back off raph

poor Jim,he loves Big Brother!
Bet he thinks that J.Edgar Hoover was the Epitome of Virtue!laugh
I've always maintained that I'm not profundly deaf, but hearing impaired, Gal.

Some things I can't hear at all, like that time you put up a music video and I couldn't hear Stewart Copeland drumming. I could hear lots of other musicians and I could see Copeland was drumming, but I have some frequencies missing, some partially missing, some okay.

Having seen the video you just put up, I agree now I can lipread, it does look like the man at the front is accusing Epps by shouting 'Fed' and pointing at him. It seems some cheering might have been for Epps' suggestion they enter the Capitol, and some for the 'Fed' accuser.

What does that prove? Where is the evidence that Epps is indeed a 'Fed'?

Could the 'Fed' accuser have been paranoid about being deliberately incited by the FBI, but incorrect?

Could the accuser have been sharp-witted enough to try and diffuse the call for storming the Capitol?

Could he have been a 'Fed' planted to discourage/psycholgically intimidate in the interests of diffusing a looming insurrection?


Morning professor.

Evidence is what escapes congress trying to get info from the head of the FBI at several recent hearings.

If i had to choose among your three possibilities I would go with the sharp-witted idea.

professor
Can you give me an example, please?
@ jac

Sure, here is a video of congressman trying to obtain info from u.s. attorney general on the people video recorded participating in the insurrection in wash d,c,
Part of the audio in this discussion is poor quality.

What does that demonstrate to you, Gal?

To me, it demonstrates that the evidence presented for Federal involvement is that 'Fed Fed Fed' video. We've already established that the accusation is not proof of anything. Epps not being arrested (yet?) is not proof of anything.

Refusing to discuss ongoing investigations is standard protocol. It's possible that FBI misconduct is being investigated and/or Epps is being investigated, but to breach that protocol could jeopardise investigations and/or lives.

For example, if anyone including Epps has made a deal in exchange for information against others (something you do a lot in the US) then it would be inappropriate to out them as a snitch.

For example, if anyone including Epps, or a government agent is under investigation feeding them that information may alter the course of and/or jeopardise that investigation.

In fact, concocting a public conspiracy with no realistic evidence for political gain could endanger the investigation and/or people's lives. Perhaps you should examine the ethical practises within your political system rather than making unfounded conclusions.

This video you cite is very different from an enquiry brought into public view with credible evidence.
TY happylady, I'm glad to know a hard on isnt a hard on anymore, but I'm still wondering ..... Then what the hell is it?confused
Lets rent a room and discuss it together.banana
Ray Epps confronted and asked if he is under investigation, and if he is a federal informant.. He declines to answer both questions and drives away
@ jac

What does that demonstrate to you, Gal?

To me, it demonstrates that the evidence presented for Federal involvement is that 'Fed Fed Fed' video. We've already established that the accusation is not proof of anything. Epps not being arrested (yet?) is not proof of anything.

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My response is not complicated. It can’t be. The Attorney General of the usa has politicized the usa’s department of justice and refuses to cooperate on this january 6 issue as well as others, including how he has targeted the parents of children in public schools as “domestic terrorist” and will not retract this effort although the association of school boards has apologized for referring to parents of public school children as “domestic terrorist.” It is amazingly wrong for the A.G. to call parents of public school students domestic terrorist after reviewing a single letter.
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I am a boomer and capitalist and I am losing my patience with the divisive extreme left people pitting everyone against each other here and wanting the usa to become another communist country. I am glad A.G. Merrick Garland never became a SCOTUS. God Bless the USA and may the U.S. Constitution, Liberty and Freedoms survive. America First. Let’s Go Brandon. wave
The extreme right calls everyone else communist. Its a last desperate attemp to save themselves. The traitorous assault on the Capitol was the beginning of the end. I hope they lock up all the murderous scum involved. Trumps dreams of being a dictator are about to be flushed out of the our great Nations capitol.
@ Raph, Trump is history. I would like to see South Dakota Governor Kristi Noem get the next Republican nomination for potus with Ron Desantis vp.
Galrads, you are blinded by your emotional bias which is pretty damn common with right-wingers. What a whiner.. yawn


Carry on.. laugh
How many from the Jan 6 riot were charged with murder, Raph? How many were charged with sedition or insurrection? Oh right, that would be ZERO. And that's not to defend those who acted violently (that seems to be a trait largely reserved for advocates on the Left these days- just look at the 'Summer of Love' riots from last year where dozens died as in most cases Democrat Mayors abandoned their citizens to the mercy of violent mobs over a period of a month or so). Those who broke the law should be charged in accordance with it. But you can't have a two-tiered system where you get treated completely differently based on your political or cultural affiliation. Which sadly seems to be the case in the U.S. right now. You had countless people get away with serious acts of violence, arson, destruction & robbery during last summer's riots, while Jan 6 defendants have been treated infinitely harsher, with many languishing pre trial in what is being called the DC Gulag (jail) as their trial dates regularly get pushed back, with accusations of beatings and maltreatment by the guards there.
@Chancer

Check out manslaughter in the Penal Code.
No one has been charged with manslaughter either
"What is the federal penalty for sedition?
Sedition is a serious felony punishable by fines and up to 20 years in prison and it refers to the act of inciting revolt or violence against a lawful authority with the goal of destroying or overthrowing it. The following provides an overview of this particular crime against the government, with historical reference"
Findlaw.comCapitol riot arrests: See who's been charged across the U.S.
Dinah Pulver, Rachel Axon, Katie Wedell, Erin Mansfield, Zshekinah Collier and Tyreye Morris
Updated:
11:48 a.m., Oct. 27, 2021

"Federal prosecutors have charged more than 600 people in more than 40 states with participating in the Jan. 6 riot at the U.S. Capitol, and arrests continue almost daily.

USA TODAY gathers details of those cases as the FBI continues to find and charge those responsible for the attack that left five people dead and sent lawmakers and Vice President Mike Pence fleeing to shelter."

NOW LOOK UP THE PENAL CODE FOR MANSLAUGHTER!

uh oh
Revoler mews, what a pile of crap source. Info Wars wanna berolling on the floor laughing . "Q" worship is alive and well.barf
what Fecking Sedition,RaphyBoy?
The one committed by Pelosi and executed by the FBI,aka,USKGB?
^^^^^^O my ! We have a new DIctator who makes all the crap legal decisions! Trump is history!rolling on the floor laughing
People have been charged with assault, destruction of public property, trespassing, and stopping an official proceeding (something Democrats have done numerous times - thinking back to when they occupied Capitol buildings to try and stop Brett Kavanaugh appointment to Supreme Court - in that case all anyone got was a $50 fine though)

Like I said, no one charged with murder, manslaughter or insurrection or sedition. The FBI admitted via a Reuters article there was no major plot or planning - outside of the Oathkeepers ridiculous shenanigans - which were led by Stewart Rhodes who hasn't been charged, nor has the number 2 Oathkeeper - leading people to ask if both weren't working with the feds all along to concoct chaos and foment a political narrative. Still no answers to this day why Nancy Pelosi, Mitch McConnell & Mayor Bowser all refused to put proper security measures in place - again leading people to suspect such decisions may have been deliberate, if, like I said before, the aim was to foment chaos and drive a certain political narrative (these people HATED Trump). Another possible motive of course could have been to try and take attention away from the people's concerns of election fraud, which hadn't been addressed to any acceptable degree. So there was certainly motive. The only other explanation is that they somehow thought just a few hundred officers at The Capitol was sufficient when they knew hundreds of thousands would be attending DC for Trump's Rally and the march to the Capitol had been advertised and was known. Of course this is extremely difficult to believe. I really can't believe people would be THIS incompetent when it comes to security measures. So then the only other explanation is that the security failure was deliberate, that they WANTED it to happen
Raphael,the proverbial Blue-Tail Fly.


Strange that is always begins and ends with Ray Epps,and AG Garland keeps absolutely mum about that Individual,while Raph here is raving like a Lunatic about Dictators and Qs.laugh
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