The Other Side

What awaits on the other side
After death takes one's breath away
Billions have taken that last ride
Yet what awaits no one can say

A belief is just a belief
It may provide some with solace
And give a measure of relief
But it's not a proof in this case

All persons will know the answer
When death comes knocking on their door
That's all that can be said thus far
And how it may be evermore
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Strange, is it not? that of the myriads who
Before us pass'd the door of Darkness through,
Not one returns to tell us of the Road,
Which to discover we must travel too.”
(Omar Khayyam – The Rubaiyat, verse 46)

Omar Khayyam was a Persian mathematician, astronomer, and poet.
He was born on May 18, 1048 and died on December 4, 1131.
The verse of his poem quoted was written more than nine centuries ago. The message of his poem still holds today.
This blog is in line with the quoted verse from Khayyam's poem and is not meant to disparage the religious beliefs of anyone.
Lovely pome my friend
But dark confused

I hope you are good Let us stay in the light for now

Spring is coming and I have started my spring planting
Its a time of hope and new things

Walk good my friend peace
FLYJAMES

Thanks for your comment, my friend
I hope you are keeping well.

Belief may provide a sense of security
but it is not a proof of what awaits
after death.

Take Care
check out the Lam Rim
robplum

"Lamrim is a Tibetan Buddhist textual form for presenting the stages in the complete path to enlightenment as taught by Buddha."
- Quoted from Wikipedia

This is a practice in which one can engage while one is alive.
It does not deal with what happens after death which is the focus of this blog.
Hello Soc,

I think the closest we can get to knowing is to study the stories of those who were medically dead and then revived. Otherwise, one can assume it will be just all assumption.

Another idea might be to look into astral projection and the traveling of the soul. dunno

wave
'that land from which no traveller ever returns'
- Shakespeare.
You won't get an answer, because you are dead. The brain has terminated. All things are operated by the brain. It is wishful thinking by some people that there is an afterlife. We become dust, blowing in the wind as if nothing had happened. The dust will still remain because matter can neither be created nor destroyed.
sigh
ask ur mediums or the ones who do magic or yodas maybe they tell u if theres life after death
which people go and spend a lot of money for nothing
Johnny

Thanks for your excellent suggestion.

Certainly, there have been cases where persons were pronounced medically dead and were revived afterwards. Indeed, such persons may have very interesting stories about the period between when they were pronounced dead and then revived.

Your second suggestion about astral projection and soul travel is also very interesting.
snowlynx

Thanks for your quote from Shakespeare.
I checked and found it comes from "Hamlet".
CrownAffair

Your focus appears to be on the matter of the body.
What is the difference between a dead body and a living body?
The living body possesses an energy which is absent in the dead body.
What happens to that energy when the living body dies?

You mentioned the law of conservation of matter:
"Matter can neither be created nor destroyed"

Isn't there a law of conservation of energy also which states:
"Energy can neither be created nor destroyed. A particular type of energy may be transformed to another type of energy but it cannot be destroyed."
How would you know that there s another side?
@robp my mother no longer has any knowing state and as for the admiration of others I have doubts but care not. I know who I am.
Well i suppose each (thinking teaching) gives one a different angle to this subject, as no-one comes back, well we will only talk guess. Whatever floats your boat i say whatever your believe, but one should not close their minds to other thinkings.

I suppose some, persons energy is not worth the keeping grin in the universe.

Some folk turn to a God, some to reincarnation, some to nothing at all. When your gone your gone.

Me i believe our thoughts energies of a full life float into the energy of the universe., and merge with all others . Universe evolving
Mickeymoose

How do you know there is not another side?
FargoFan

Yes, I do.

Here is what I stated in the Poetry Section and to which I am still awaiting your answer:
You wrote:

"Well no, it is the end of knowing,
And many have ceased the knowing
Long before the last breath they drew.
For such, already gone was the world
that once they thought they knew"

.

The term “know” in the poem is used in the general sense
There are different types of knowing:
Cognitive
Affective
and perhaps others including “mystical”:
See:



Blaise Pascal says:
“The heart has reasons that reason does not know”

Can a person in a coma “know”?
See salamuna's comment stated lower down after your comment.

If you are uncomfortable with the word “know” in the line that you quoted:
“All persons will know the answer”,
you can read it as:
“All will experience the answer”


By the way, my comment about name calling refers to your response to a comment I made in another person's poem which has since been removed where you addressed me as “Silly Man”.
He addresses a lot of people, as "silly man", don't worry about it...
I can only say that we return to Source/Consciousness.

People will see what they want to see, according to their personal beliefs - same as Astral travel.

I've had a few "small deaths" experiences while conscious and I saw the other side.

There's no Hell, nor Heaven - those are human constructs to put fear into people.

We're all energy, and are all ONE.

We don't need to come back here either and go through the whole rebirth process.
We have a choice!
Either this way...or that way ...
There may not be a planet, to come back to; the way we are treating it,,,
Quite a coincidence. I saw my late father's copy of the Rubhyat in my library the other day and said to myself that I really must read it as my dad rated it so highly. Then along come you and quotes from it two days later!uh oh
tip hat wine
Or will all persons know once they die? If there's nothing, that is simply a state of unconsciousness, then we won't know because we'd be unconscious. It does take being conscious to know, I would think.

Just flying a kite really.
I have seen many road kill laying long time baking under a hot sun on the side of a road until they expand like a balloon and finally explode. The end.
@op ah well you think some will 'know' something after death and I think the word form should be 'knew' something before death. It's not someting I will argue, silly man!
robplum

I quoted what I read from wikipedia about Lamrim per se.
It did not mention anything about what happens after death.

However, I am aware, to some extent, of Buddhism - Mahayana, Hinayana and Zen.
You say you are an ex-director of Mahayana Temple. I wish to commend you on that achievement.

I am more familiar with Zen.
I posted the following article which I called "My Zen Experience" in the Article section of CS:

In normal dying process breath will go out and not come back in heart will stop still the body wont smell. The body wont start to decay and smell until all levels of consciousness gross and subtle have absorbed.
The time it takes before body to start to smell is usually 2nd or 3rd day but can take up to 27 days.

In regards to road kill mack-truck caused instant death then the sentient being is instantly flung into the Bardo and they will then smell.

Anyone interested in the Tibetan views on life, death and after death:
Life, Death and After Death

Thank you for your link and kind compliment.
My first introduction to Buddhist thought was a careful read of book called "The Way of Zen" kindly given to me by guy named Hugh who managed a Pizza shop in Brisbane.
I spent a lot of time researching within, the interdependent arising of a tree. Mainly a Morton Bay Fig tree on the banks of the Brisbane River.
Not so long after that found self by karma at a Tibetan monastery called Chenrezig Institute in Queensland < >
I formally studied there, well until i was kicked out !! then I was appointed a director by Lama Zopa spirtual head of FPMT after Lama Yeshe entered the Bardo, his recognised incarnation is Lama Osel.
Was appointed director of Temple Gyalwa Ensapa at Killabakh in NSW, the temple was later desecrated following illegal family court proceedings...again kicked out !! Then in person His Holiness Dalai Lama appeared during outrageous illegal family court proceedings, HHDL had Catholic Bishop request I explain the teaching HHDL had just been given in the Adelaide Cathedral 1989. HHDL also told the Australian Government I was qualified practitioner and so I have recorded in law in legal, legal proceedings representing self to level of High Court in two countries.
I explained what HH Dalai Lama was saying in law recorded in legal proceeding in New Zealand and Australia...
In addition HH Dalai Lama requested that I file document in United Nations, I filed the accepted document in the United Nations...so yes I've made some studies.
I'm not qualified to teach however I am happy to offer heads ups folks, Tibetan; qualified teachers know what they are on about
FargoFan

MASTER TEACHER,
VELLY SORRY FOR MY IGNORANCE
VELLY SORRY, SAH
Hi Kal

Nice to hear from you

Hope you are doing well

Take Care
laugh laugh laugh socrates that is all one can do with some humans
Soc You said that energy can not be destroyed. Well we have no energy crisis then. confused
CROWNAFFAIR

I do not see what my statement on The Law of Conservation of Energy:
"Energy can neither be created nor destroyed. A particular type of energy may be transformed to another type of energy but it cannot be destroyed."
has to do with the energy crisis.

It is to be viewed in the same way as your statement:
"...matter can neither be created nor destroyed."
What about my comment, Socrates?wave
Nature of mind is clear light.
Our physical body is in a constant flux of change, cells are dying and constantly been replaced, finger and toe nails constantly growing, skin is peeling off is been replaced as is hair, our body is 90% water and bones are deposits of minerals. All of it decays eventually.
Our consciousness is an alert cognitive state in which we are aware of a self, we are able to reason with it. Tibetans often refer to consciousness as continuous mindstream. The title Rinpoche in the Gelug school of thought founded by Je Tsongkhapa, (a Tibetan philosopher, tantric yogi and lama) refer to person who has proven from own side he/she is the reincarnation of the continuous mindstream of a qualified teacher in past life.
HH Dala Lama among other titles has title of Rinpoche, as he is recognized as the fourteenth incarnation of person known as Dalai Lama, he is the continuous mindstream of first Dalai Lama Gedun Truppa (1391-1474). Even today he has six or more teachers and still continually studies Buddha Dharma with them.
d4nI314?Costa del Mar, Valencia Spain

Hello d4n314 (Daniela - I assume)

Thanks for your comment.

"I can only say that we return to Source/Consciousness."


Saying that we return to Source/Consciousness implies that we came from it.
While we are alive, we are conscious or have consciousness
Please tell us about this "Source/Consciousness".


"I've had a few "small deaths" experiences while conscious and I saw the other side."

What do you mean by a few "small deaths", recognizing the fact that you are alive at present?
You said you saw the other side.
What was the other side like? Please tell us about it.


"We're all energy, and are all ONE."

How are we "all One" as you mention?


"We don't need to come back here either and go through the whole rebirth process.
We have a choice!"

You say we have a choice. How can we avoid the rebirth process that you mentioned?
EXRED

Very Practical View!!!
There's many patterns in nature that are similar to Rob, like the atom is similar to moons revolving around a planet or the planets revolving around our sun...
I meant "Infinite Source"....where we come from. Which is pure energy.

By Consciousness, I meant our Collective Consciousness.
By "small deaths" I meant that I died consciously for a few minutes.
It was a part of my shamanic training "the death of the shaman".
We actually left the body ....which was a very strange sensation...then I was given the choice of going through a dark tunnel where there was a bright light at the end, with a couple of beings (could be family members, I don't know?) who were holding their hands out asking me to go and join them.

But...at that moment, it just didn't feel right and I felt like another pull in another direction...towards another light...outside of this recycling process, and I KNEW this is where I had to go!

I was outside of the planet and the whole universe (which I was shown it was all a man-made construct) only for a moment, as I had to go back to my physical body, unfortunately.

All my other experiences were more or less similar.
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