Sad To Say But...

one of America’s preferred methods of confronting its adversaries is to ‘wage war by proxy’ against them, that is, to support the war of a group or country against a rival without militarily engaging themselves.

The history of the Cold War is littered with such examples, such as America’s backing of the Mujahideen against the Soviets in Afghanistan, its assistance to Saddam Hussein against Iran in the Iran-Iraq War, or, on a more contemporary note, its failed attempt to overthrow Syrian President Bashar Assad via local rebels.

Proxy wars allow the US to minimize its own losses by having someone else die for its aims while also procuring geopolitical gain by undermining rival states, at the same time maximizing profits for the military-industrial complex by keeping the arms flowing.

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They are doing this in particular by intensifying weapon supplies, and providing training and intelligence for the Ukrainian Army.
Old habits die hard!
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Something doesn't add up as to why they are giving billions to fuel a war?
Don't know who is controlling the USA but somebody is definitely controlling Biden and his actions.
Scary Luke. I am truly worried about the world's direction right now wave
I've been involved in wars most of my life and this time I can say you have good reason to be worried.
I trust Putin to save us. Somehow.

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Besides being worried Luke, what would you suggest we do as civilians?
How fitting G. "I HOPE ITS GONNA BE ALRIGHT" THE INNOCENCE OF THE CHILDREN. SO compelling. Their future is at stake. sad flower
teddybear hug if only the world is at stand still.
By the way I watched the chess video and the White Rookie advanced to check the Black King. It moved in shielded. Then White Queen attacked the Black King bu the pawn can eat the Queen, it's like what was that about? Not check mate was it?
Could it be Obama Lukeon who is directing Biden?...............frustrated
A strong possibility Jen.
Yes Americans are bad , better leave Ukraine alone to good Russia.
i suppose china and russia never did any of the same? still do.

there are other regions that have also done the same.

can you answer how many factions iran backs via proxy?

sad to say but it seems to always be a power struggle from some where for some one.
Of course they were involved in proxy wars but research dates and reasons after the Cold War.
The Vietnam War was described as a civil war within South Vietnam, although it became a proxy war between Cold War powers. As a result, the Vietnamese suffered the highest casualties in the conflict.
Fact.
But Ukraine is not in Africa it's in Europe and we would have hoped that a more civilised society could take hold. Not like the fall of apartheid amounted to the different coloured monsters of the ANC, better than that.
Liberals in Russia are like that 10% of the prison population that comes out kinder than it went in for some reason maybe to do with Jesus or another mental gymnastic where 2 add 2 make 5 not 4. The exceptional person where what goes in does not amount to what comes out.
And similar to Finland and Sweden up til this day.
What you wrote here is the whole essence of it Luke.
And I support the sentiment fully too that it's not the average Am voter
there is anything wrong with. It's the politicians who,
as soon as walking into DC become paid actors.
Doesn't matter if they came there with pure ideas of serving their folk.
It's corrupt I'm afraid.
I suppose if all countries just kept their nose out and just watched the slaughter?????

Would that suit everyone. sitting watching counting the dead, watching the destruction all by a mad man????

Nope countries have looked at their past and seen they have resolved nothing in their interference made matters worse, so hold their hands behind their back when this is blatant slaughter,

Not two countries fighting Russia has not been touched the Ukrainians are fighting for their own people against an INVASION yes invasion so sit and recount the past in varies countries and do anything but help with weapons blues moping
No!
Biden 8after consolidating with is allies)
can pick up the phone right now and say to Vlad:

"alright, you win: you will get your neutral buffer state".

Why don't they Exred? Why don't they?
And in case those spelloes irritate you, here it is again:

No!
Biden can (after consolidating with his allies)
pick up the phone right now and say to Vlad:

"alright, you win: you will get your neutral buffer state".

Why don't they Exred? Why don't they?
@Ana, common...
haha
it's the American lobby.
On behalf of, you know... powerful interests.

Uk is solely the first one to say yes, that's all.
All Tony B.
Don't get confused now.
I cant understand why the majority of members think im siding with Russia? All im doing is thinking logical and my mind tells me that its a whole lot better to avoid a nuclear war. Maybe we are thinking wrong Ozzie?dunno confused
Red lets be honest here for a moment.
You say the solution is for all the countries to jump in and 'push' Russia out of Ukraine, right?
That will never happen in a thousand years.
The moment NATO or one of NATO's allies step into the arena then you will have the start of the 3WW. Can you imagine how many people will die if this happens? Millions of people will die unnecessarily instead of thousands.
Is this really your solution?
Russia is not bluffing.wow
Sure Luke... for me it was an AHA experience when I realized that the modern view is more or less what Teddy show above: "sovereign country and they can be part of any 'defense' alliance they want to"

So yea, maybe it's just you me and Putin who is growing old or something...
I liked what you wrote earlier to the effect of "maybe it wall all just pass".
Maybe it will. Maybe Putin will go home with half done mission.


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Sorry for only replying now.
To be honest I doubt if Obama has anything substantial to do with current affairs but then thats only my opinion and I could be wrong.
I think Russia is not afraid to push very close to a nuclear war, after some months of conventional war that they will start to lose. At that point we need humble people in the white house, not warmongers.
Of course they did similar things, but most of it was done in a different era.
Take Vietnam, two super powers fighting a proxy war and the Vietnamese people are the most to die.
Does this make it right?
I agree but then why sign the Minsk agreement that was broken so many times?
What many people dont realize is that China, Russia and India and others is busy establishing a new world currency that will make the Dollar weak. This action is angering the USA even more. All this just because one country wants to be the 'Boss' of all other countries that are weaker. With Russia they bit off more than they can chew I think.
JMHO
so Luken you think by helping Ukrain with troops under no specific banner would start WW3 i do not think his generals would go that far. As yet Russia itself has not been touched !!!!!!! I do not think his generals will go that far. Yes Putin has nuclear weapons but as yet no-one has threatened to send any over to Russia. So double bluff i say.
Hi Red
Yip you are right. All western countries should send in Battalions of no name soldiers to help bale out Ukraine.

From now on I'll just agree with everyone as I'm making more enemies than friends (not meaning you} being honest about the war.
We still have a long time to decide who is right or wrong as this war wont end over-night. Or so I'm guessing..

dunno
Luke don't do that. Healthy discussions are good.

Enemies or not don't give up standing for your conviction. comfort
I think GW was being sarcastic. She was actually saying that I'm totally wrong not to also say the world should supply more arms to Ukraine. dunno laugh
I am not nor will be your enemy just because we think differently on a subject, its only one subject grin hug
Thanks Red, much appreciated. cheers
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