STATE FUNERAL RISK

Any terrorist that wanted an opportunity to exploit a situation, would not have a more opportune moment than this. Thousands of people gathering, heads of state from many countries, including other countries royalty. The US president. No other occasion would be larger and have so much attention as this. A nightmare for security.

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Sounds like a job for Crown Security, let the police go watch the football matches. I'm sure it's what Her Majesty would have wanted.
Hm. Lets hope it does not end up being a Hindu funeral for the queen. Funeral pyre, Sati and all.
Merlot
Football matches with London teams have been postponed till after funeral.
BLUE9 is operating elsewhere in the nation's interest.
cool
Yesterday I got a medal of honour for posting something similar on someone's blog.

Btw old jo won't be attending.
Joe Biden is expected. His bullet proof car is being sent. The other heads if state are expected to use a bus, but sounds risky.
I do not want to be rude or anything, but what's with the 'old jo' thing? That's what I would call 'slightly' rich given that you are 99 years old.
On the American channel they said last night that he wasn't coming, but sending someone else. dunno

Do you personally think he's fit to travel?
I meant to write Ol' Joe
d4n
I'm sure Biden is coming, otherwise Trump may be asked.
I have spoken with Noon at security HQ, and he assures me that Biden will be there plus his special car and entourage.
BLUE9
Oh well...if you say so?
We shall see? uh oh
Buckingham Palace did not invite President Joe Biden to assemble a delegation to attend the funeral of Queen Elizabeth II next week, and instead extended a specific invitation for only the President and first lady, a White House official told CNN.

The White House announced Sunday that Biden had formally accepted the invitation and would be accompanied by the first lady.
Was talking about that this morning, the security headache involved. Lots of vice presidents and deputy prime ministers day-dreaming "what if"
Tiger moth
I thought Biden was the president. His entourage would be security only. What did I say different?confused
I posted it for those who seem to know what goes on in the U.K better than the ones that actually live here.

As you pointed out most Heads of State travel with an entourage and this is not possible under these circumstances due to the vast amount of people attending the Funeral [ 2,000 inside ]and the massive crowds outside of Westminster Abbey and beyond. The streets of London will be heaving. You only have to see how many are in attendance through this week in Scotland and the U.K. to see just how much this lady was respected.

Hence the local bus servicewink
Tiger moth
Thanks for that. Biden and his wife + security would of course be the exception. The rest must queue at a bus stop. Unless of course they refuse. It is only a request and hope that they abide by this procedure.
There are actually several exemptions .This might help.


TM
When is the best time to protest. Surely it must be when it can attract the most attention. Otherwise it would not be effective. But maybe it was unwise at this funeral. Though to be arrested for verbal comment reduces the liberty of free speech. Does it not?
There is inherently no right way to protest, given protest challenges norms.

Freedom of speech and freedom to protest should be an inalienable right, but there is always a balancing act where our opinions and rights impinge upon the opinions and rights of other people.

Whilst I appreciate that there are a myriad of issues triggered by the queen's death and that anger is an appropriate response in some cases, I'm also good with waiting until she's cold before we tally the pros and cons of having a monarchy.
Don't forget the travelling troublemakers, they are usually known to authouities and will be removed when they misbehave. Surely this is a public service.
Merlot
How do we know that the Queen is in the coffin? It could be a dummy and the real body somewhere else. A security precaution perhaps?
dunno
Have you noticed how many pall bearers there are for this coffin? Normally one has 6 at a funeral but because this coffin is lead lined ready for internment at Windsor it has to have 8 pall bearers due to the weight and the Queen as you know was a diminutive person.
Aparantly, Diana's coffin was 6'2" in length because of the lead lining (she was 5'10"} and the eight pall bearers had to be around 6'4" to stop it from looking disproportionately long. As the pall bearers were from the Welsh Guards, it must have taken some doing to find eight tall Welsh men.

Having seen images of the queen's coffin, she must be wearing 6" heels and a crown in there to get it long enough for eight pall bearers.
I'd say not. Why would you send her off like that when she'd be safe in the palace. I wouldn't, and who's to know anyway. I actually think it would be disrespectful.
The press seem to be focused on the position of Harry and William actually walking side by side. What are they supposed to do? Stay 100 yards back from each other?
It isn't about length Jac it's about the weight of the lead.handshake
Apparently 500 invitations were sent out to countries, including China, which has annoyed some members of parliament due to China's human rights record.
I'm sure you've heard the expression "you can please some of the people" .Go figure. Bit like on here at times.grin
A lame excuse from a lame person.
Nope both my legs work perfectly.grin
JtR
Well, I suppose the situations when you can heckle or protest should be written down and made law. You can't have someone making there own choice, as it may draw attention to their position and be inconvenient to anyone around. It should be done quietly and preferably out of public sight, and with consideration to those in the vicinity.
Or maybe there should be no restrictions unless physical harm or obstruction is threatened as a result.
Which would you choose?
I would choose that you don't try and skew what I've said in this passive-aggressive way.
Jtr
I'll take that as you can't decide, put in a passive annoyed state.
I've already commented on this.

I'll take it that you choose not to, or can't understand what I've written. dunno
Golum wasn't an ordinary and lovely hobbit but at one time he was. And human beings are like this. Instruments of power my precious, their fates determined by power and the only guard against this is the ability to remember what happened yesterday.

Like Prince Andrew. As golum as the man is he was only doing what the mainstream of society did to the 16 year old Britney Spears at that time. And now we are supposed to applaud Britney Spears like it wasn't us that did it to her. The blind hypocrisy is staggering.
Although that's just human nature. The recent history, the story of our lives, is the one most lied about. The ancient history, the story of our ancestors, is more likely to be true because we are not our ancestors.

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