Dog fires rifle and kills man...

I'm not sure how the 2nd amendment plays out for dogs, but owner negligence definitely comes to mind. Two men on a weekend hunting trip in Kansas when the fatality occurred.
Joseph Austin Smith was the passenger in a truck. in the backseat was the driver's rifle, hunting gear and his dog. The dog steps on the rifle and it discharges striking Smith in the back.
Sheriff's arrived, start CPR but it was too late. Smith died at the scene.

I read 2 stories about this tragedy, but neither gave the name of the driver. Probably a good thing as I'd wager when the gun safety advocates catch hold of this story, he'll be wishing he was dead.

All sorts of reasons why, but the owner/driver didn't follow the most basic rule of owning a gun.

Dog fires rifle and kills man. While it may sound funny... it's far from it.




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So many of these so called hunting "accidents" happen. This was probably intentional.
Why?
Do you think the dog was jealous because he didn't get to sit in the front?
Hard to imagine:
1. how safety could be off
2. how a gun on the back seat could be pointing forward at a sufficient angle
It’s possible it was all the fault of the man in the back seat , he could have put the gun near the dog for whatever reason. Not enough information at this time.
There wasn't a man in the back seat.
The owner of the truck was in the driver's seat.
His friend Joseph Austin Smith was in the front passenger seat.
The owners dog was in the back seat.
The hunting gear was in the back seat.
The gun (a rifle) was in the back seat.
How everything was stacked in the back seat wasn't described in the story, nor was it known if the vehicle was parked or moving when the gun went off.

The dog stepped on the gun, it discharges and the bullet hits Smith.


Smith was 32, a plumber and also musician.


Millions of people, millions of guns, millions of dogs. It's hard to imagine winning the lottery, but it is not hard to imagine someone winning the lottery. Obviously this being a lottery you don't want to win. The exception to the rule must happen and the unexpected is be expected like people dying of a covid vaccine. If something is big enough, happens often enough, then it must go wrong.

Anyway the most convenient solution is a technology that makes it much harder to fire a gun without meaning to. There must be something they can do.
Why did the article say, "It's not known if the vehicle was moving at the time"?

It's what Gavin de Becker would call satellite information.

If the only current evidence is the testimony of the surviving witness, establishing that the vehicle was moving at the time corroborates the driver's story. He couldn't drive and shoot the passenger from the back seat at the same time.

I imagine there'll be a whole load of skid mark, foot print and other forensic investigation going on.
I'll give them some credit for the weather, and sports results, but the media is not an accurate reflection of reality. If it was filled with the commonplace it wouldn't be news.

And more than this we seem to believe things don't happen by accident they can only happen by design. It's modern convenience that has us believe that nothing happens by accident but at the same time the modern world is massive, massive and chaotic which is to say full of surprises. Where your bubble ends it meets something completely different, completely random I would actually define the modern world by the contrast between the bubble and the random. Everything is in on your terms up to a certain distance away from you, and then suddenly not at all on your terms things happen that have never happened before in the whole of human history. Nothing can happen by accident because of the bubble, but then so much does happen by accident because of the sheer size and complexity of the world. The bubble dominates our psychology, narcissism dominates our psychology, but actually so much has never been less on our terms when you really think about them. Take the internet. Echo chambers would have you believe everything happens by design and not at all by accident, but in the bigger picture we know that it doesn't we know that it's like a box of chocolates. Outside of the echo chambers the internet is synonymous with life itself, it's something which emphasizes the fact that anything could happen.
And I guess it makes perfect sense. As the world becomes vast, mysterious and unconquerable the ordinary person is liable to become a her indoors. To occupy a little domestic island of total control and I do believe this is something education needs to address in the 21st century. Don't let the predictability of your own life colour your perception of the big, bad world. Safespace is somewhere we go precisely because the world is outside strange and unnerving, complicated and chaotic. Do not judge the big, bad world by the standards of your own island of tranquility, the world of reason must be established in education the ability to distinguish between your personal experience and the facts.
Generally, I tend to believe the opposite: people are usually careless, bumbling fools rather than scheming masterminds.

I just picked up on the satellite information and it's implications.
Although it was cold weather, If they do forensics and the car was moving, there is a chance the gunpowder entered the a/c heating system. If they were stationary and the motor was off, burned powder tests would most likely be negative.
If the driver's story checks out, they may not have any suspicion and list it as such.
I guess this truck has a crew cab on It.
Who owned the rifle? How can you position a long gun in a backseat of a pickup truck that has it's business end pointing at someone in the front seat.
I can see how a dog can trip a trigger on a long gun if the rifle is placed across the floor or seat of the vehicle.
a ricochet is unlikely if they used the ballistic tipped rounds seen in one of the articles photos. If the rifle as a 22 cal a ricochet is possible.
How do we know if someone else wasn't in the backseat when the rifle was discharged?
Did the bullet leave the vehicle?
The story said the rifle belonged to the driver.
I Googled to see if there was a followup to the original story, but found nothing.

Speculating, if the rifle was propped up on the floor behind the passenger... you know the rest.
I just cant picture sane people propping up a gun like that. How could it stay propped up if a dog is stumbling into it. Even if it was positioned propped that way, the bullet’s trajectory would have to be flying over the front seat passenger’s head imho.

Most people would put the long rifle unloaded in a zipped up soft case or in a closed hard case while in a moving vehicle )it it’s not secured in a rack.)
How it happened is all speculation. They could have returned to the truck with plans to go back out. If the rifle was behind the driver and the dog knocked it over it would be pointing at the passenger... high trajectory, but enough to strike him.
There IS something they can do:
1. Secure your weapon. Every time.
2. Never - NEVER transport a loaded weapon.

2 simple things he could have done but didn't.
tragic result.
hard to imagine.

my rifles are ALL empty and lock in hard cases when being transported.

i hate to say it, but this article is the stuff criminal investigations are made of.
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