Extra terrestrial communication.
We've been listening for signs of, and signals from extra terrestrial life for over half a century and not heard a dickie bird.Should we sending our own signals in a bid to make contact with others, rather than just listening?
If you had the opportunity, what signal would you send into outer space to represent the human race and our planet?
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If they heed it, no need to worry about who or what to represent us or our planet.
These messages have been going for years forward and receiving, one day we will meet up
Legions of fans think it may be the best channel
Out there. ..[ .me, nah.
meant to include this in the comment of course
Shalom,
Iyyov
Extra terrestrial's with no concept of human culture might assume the etiquette for the audience is to clap and dance offbeat. Imagine trying to practice in readiness for contact.
I was trying to leave room for a discussion on whether we should send signals, or not, but yeah, shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted.
The thought of other life out there is likely pretty mind-blowing for most people. If other life is discovered, or even more so if contact is made, I'd be pretty miffed if I were deprived of that profundity during my lifetime.
Does thinking about our existence within the universe tell us more about ourselves than the universe?
That's a really interesting ethical point.
The thought of other life out there is likely pretty mind-blowing for most people. If other life is discovered, or even more so if contact is made, I'd be pretty miffed if I were deprived of that profundity during my lifetime.
Shalom,
Iyyov
Maybe they put us here and we've forgotten our natural habitat.
Maybe they put us here and we've forgotten our natural habitat.
I can't remember now, so I want to watch it again. I certainly enjoyed it far more than I expected to.
I think I also might watch it again to understand better what they mean when Amy Adams, the scientist, can dream of what will happen because it's non-binary. I don't git dat
I think I also might watch it again to understand better what they mean when Amy Adams, the scientist, can dream of what will happen because it's non-binary. I don't git dat
( I read kids books sometimes before I gift them).
( I read kids books sometimes before I gift them).
I've not read the ET ones, but a little ... ...aaand...E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial, or E.T.: The Book of the Green Planet?
The thought of other life out there is likely pretty mind-blowing for most people. If other life is discovered, or even more so if contact is made, I'd be pretty miffed if I were deprived of that profundity during my lifetime.An Exoplanet is a planet orbiting a star other than our own. As of 1 March 2023, there are 5,332 confirmed exoplanets. They orbit 3,931 other stars.
There were some studies done in the 1970s regarding chemistry based life (like ours). It was determined there were really only 2 elements that could combine with Oxygen and and perform the full range of biological functions needed to form cells and higher organisms. One is Carbon, which is the one known Earth life uses. Carbon based life requires the presence of both Hydrogen and Oxygen. Fortunately on our planet those are usually found together in the form we call water. For us on our planet Carbon Hydrogen and Oxygen with a little Nitrogen thrown in (the combination is usually called CHNO and with various numbers between the letters it forms the basis of many, many things on Earth). Luckily our atmosphere is just full of Nitrogen as a gas we breath. The other element that can support life is Silicon There is however a problem with Silicon based life existing on our planet. The postulated respiration by-product of a Silicon based life form that uses Oxygen for it's electron exchanges is SiliconDiOxide. On Earth Silicon DiOxide is a quartz. Breathing it out here would be painful. At a much higher temperature and pressure than a human could survive that quartz becomes more breathable.
If silicon based life does exist somewhere, we probably won't have much contact with such creatures nor would they be terribly excited about coming here. We would turn to ash on their world and they would burst from internal pressure and suffocate here while also freezing. So we won't waste time on them and theirgiant molten worlds.
To find life, we should probably find water first. As of 1 March 2023 there are 23 moons and planets with water (including Earth) in our solar system. Most of it is ice. Some far away moons are literally coated with ice that is miles thick. Because of internal planet heat it is possible down at the bottom there is liquid water and life of some kind, but not accessible in any way with today's technology and probably not for hundreds of years to come.
Look instead for a world close enough to it's sun (aka the habitable zone) to have liquid water in a stable orbit, hopefully about the same size as Earth if you want to find life. Star Trek called worlds fitting that description with Oxygen atmospheres Class M planets. Earth is a class M planet.
Using data from NASA’s Transiting Exoplanet Survey Satellite, scientists have identified an Earth-size world, called TOI 700 e, orbiting within the habitable zone of its star – the range of distances where liquid water could occur on a planet’s surface. The world is 95% Earth’s size and likely rocky. There are three other planets in that star system. It is suspected one of the others may also have water. So that is two worlds where life is possible, both orbiting a Red dwarf star which is only 218 light years from Earth. The years there are short with a complete rotation of that sun only taking less than a month our time.
Meanwhile Hubble has determined a large world in the Leo Constellation orbiting the sun known as K2-18 which reveals the molecular signal of the presence of water. This star is only 110 Light years away from us. That planet is in the Habitable zone making much of that water liquid. Since that world has 8 times the mass of Earth the gravity is much more than Earth's. Additionally that star, another red dwarf, is pretty active and there may be a lot of radiation hitting that planet. Not a good vacation spot.
My point is we are just beginning to look and already we have found 3 worlds where life can, in theory exist
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In contemplating communication with others, it informs us of ourselves.
WHY ARE WE ALL THINKING THEY HAVE CAPABILITIES OF SPACE TRAVEL?
Seriously, the chances of humanoid creatures with a primitive lifestyle is far greater than civilizations who are sending out electronic signals (like us) looking for signs of life elsewhere.
WHY ARE WE ALL THINKING THEY HAVE CAPABILITIES OF SPACE TRAVEL?
Seriously, the chances of humanoid creatures with a primitive lifestyle is far greater than civilizations who are sending out electronic signals (like us) looking for signs of life elsewhere.
Are we seeking higher beings that with look after us, rather than us feeling alone, or feeling responsible for others?
As the apparent "edges" of the observable universe are expanding away from us, at an exponential rate; then this adds to the difficulty of alien "contact"
Also if the Solar System was shrunk down to the size of a dime, then our Milky Way Galaxy, would be the size of America!
And there are trillions of galaxies, hence at these scales, the extraterrestrials may exist, but the distances are too great to bridge, even travelling at near the speed of light. Recent estimates put the real size of the universe at AT LEAST 250x larger than the observable universe! I hope you can see my point here.
Firstly, they thought that the Earth was so amazing, the Sun revolved around it. When this was disproved, it was held that the Sun is a pretty amazing star. Later it was discovered that the Sun was just a run of the mill "average" small to medium sized star. Clutching at straws, perhaps, it was then asserted (by some) that our galaxy is amazing and unique, when, in reality, it is just one of trillions. Now the universe is pretty amazing, but maybe it is but one of infinitely many universes itself (a multiverse)?
As the apparent "edges" of the observable universe are expanding away from us, at an exponential rate; then this adds to the difficulty of alien "contact"
Also if the Solar System was shrunk down to the size of a dime, then our Milky Way Galaxy, would be the size of America!
And there are trillions of galaxies, hence at these scales, the extraterrestrials may exist, but the distances are too great to bridge, even travelling at near the speed of light. Recent estimates put the real size of the universe at AT LEAST 250x larger than the observable universe! I hope you can see my point here.
Firstly, they thought that the Earth was so amazing, the Sun revolved around it. When this was disproved, it was held that the Sun is a pretty amazing star. Later it was discovered that the Sun was just a run of the mill "average" small to medium sized star. Clutching at straws, perhaps, it was then asserted (by some) that our galaxy is amazing and unique, when, in reality, it is just one of trillions. Now the universe is pretty amazing, but maybe it is but one of infinitely many universes itself (a multiverse)?
As the apparent "edges" of the observable universe are expanding away from us, at an exponential rate; then this adds to the difficulty of alien "contact"
Also if the Solar System was shrunk down to the size of a dime, then our Milky Way Galaxy, would be the size of America!
And there are trillions of galaxies, hence at these scales, the extraterrestrials may exist, but the distances are too great to bridge, even travelling at near the speed of light. Recent estimates put the real size of the universe at AT LEAST 250x larger than the observable universe! I hope you can see my point here.
Firstly, they thought that the Earth was so amazing, the Sun revolved around it. When this was disproved, it was held that the Sun is a pretty amazing star. Later it was discovered that the Sun was just a run of the mill "average" small to medium sized star. Clutching at straws, perhaps, it was then asserted (by some) that our galaxy is amazing and unique, when, in reality, it is just one of trillions. Now the universe is pretty amazing, but maybe it is but one of infinitely many universes itself (a multiverse)?
This thread is turning out to be a bit of a nerdathon, which I'm enjoying very much indeed.
I terms of the size of the universe (as we know it, Jim), when we send radio signals, how long do they last?
If we are truly obsessed with our own uniqueness, wouldn't we avoid trying to make contact with other life forms? Or maybe we like the state of permanent anticipation.
(I guess you knew a professor was bound to show up here)