Fingers crossed for a peaceful solution.





The Russian and Ukrainian presidents have both agreed to hold separate meetings with a delegation of African heads of state to discuss a possible plan to end the war in Ukraine, according to South Africa's president. Mr Ramaphosa said to have spoken separately over the phone with both Putin and Mr Zelensky at the weekend.
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Mr Sniffinski is probaly more interested in Extra: Cash and Weapons.(since they sell good) And he has still a lot of lines to take.
I was thinking about an alternative way out of this war through negotiations but it would necessitate Ukraine changing direction.

A Chinese delegation is due to visit Zelensky again to discuss possibilities.

Russia’s requirements are thought to be to keep Crimea and the Eastern part of Ukraine.
But if Ukraine joins the west then there are still problems for Russia and the EU will impose very onerous and restrictive conditions on Ukraine so that won't be in the near future.

So I think that if Ukraine were to join Bricks instead of the EU that would solve Russia’s problem of NATO and Ukraine's borders can be restored.

China would help rebuild Ukraine as it is doing in a dozen African countries.

Haven't Iran and Saudi Arabia made peace and isn't Iran going to supply China with oil, and use the yuan as the new oil currency. (I don't know much about this)

Maybe more countries will join Bricks too, the Stans for example, who knows, it could be a force to be rekoned with.
I really hope that the war stops this moment and not tomorrow.. The talk seems very easy.. but the reality is very sad.. I am from Syria and I live in a foreign country because of the war in my country for 12 years.. The war has become part of the world of money and business and it is difficult for it to stop With this ease.. I wish peace and security for all.
Sincerely hope that the senseless war will come to a speedy end. Not intending to sound negative but according to the Washington post some of the leaked documents states that the US will not let the war end in 2023. Let's hope they have it wrong this time.
@Merlot. That may be a bit too optimistic, that the United States will now (after all these years)
just give up time and effort invested in Ukraine. China do not have that much
influence over the Kiev chiefs who been working closely
with Biden and his crew for quite some time now.

What I expact will happen eventually is that
sout-eastern Ukraine will become a sovereign nation,
and the new west Ukraine will become a Nato + Eu member faster than fast.
Alternativelly Donbas will become a new part of Russia as Crimea before it, however
where the border will go is unclear.

The only reason this is not completely horrendous is that
those areas are dominated by Russians and has been for such a long time now.
So it's cool, in my humble opinion.

Good thing is though: West Ukraine will never again be thretened by Moscow.
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My own take and free speculation only.
Time for peace talks has been over for some time now, Russia offered peace talks many times and delegates from many countries have tried..

The only way to end the madness of Ukraine war is for Russia and the BRICS nations to starve the western economic system, and sanction the EU, UK and US economies..

The BRICS countries are building and helping build other countries economies, while the western countries are destroying countries and their economies..
@butch Russia has not made any serious offer of peace talks - none that they believed for an instant would be acceptable, This war looks certain to roll on into 24 and 25. BRICS does not have the will or muscle to impose sanctions, but they may succeed in reducing the power and strength of the USD, the so-called reserve currency. Trade in CNY will surely increase, a welcome trend.
And I'm getting into optimistic thinking now, but perhaps liberalism had not so much to do with money but with shopping?

Perhaps it's free society itself which resolves the issues of underconsumption because what a customer is is their own boss really. They need a will of their own, can you be ordered to go shopping in the same way you can be ordered down a mine or even ordered into studying the hard sciences? Chinese productivity serves the free time of foreigners not at all themselves, perhaps your own free will and your own free time is what makes a people able to enjoy the fruits of their labour.
Perhaps shopping works like creativity it can only truly come from within. You're not going to arrive at these under the whip hand and China will experience economic problems similar to the west 1930s.

Whilst the west's problems are the opposite. Our shopping is debt and our creativity a pretense. We need to become less liberal and more resourceful. Less of what we fancy, more of what needs to be done.
"Vladimir Putin has been meeting a delegation of African leaders seeking to mediate in the war.

The Russian leader was told that it was time to negotiate an end to fighting, which the delegation said was harming the entire world.

But he insisted that while Russia is ready to consider any African proposals, it is Ukraine who's refusing to talk.

He says Russia has never refused to take part in any talks on the conflict."

Link sky.news.com

Seems it went as expected.
Every country in the western system and the world are suffering through inflation because of US debt, and we all have to suffer more because NATO and the western countries want the 1 country that is the Ukraine..
Many middle eastern and African countries are looking towards the BRICS system for business, its easy to see the western system is being snubbed...
U.S. debt is far worse than anyone knows and still creating toilet paper? The fed keeps playing with the numbers to not look so bad. Only way is BRICS. BRICS is influencing there way with being gold backed … he who has the gold makes the rules … Just my thought
The total amount of gold in the world available to Central Banks is insignificant. Gold can never back a currency in any country. It's the Economy of a country that counts.
Because dissident fighters have been crossing from Ukraine to attack Russian towns Putin will now take a buffer corridor all the way across the top of Ukraine from the west to the land already occupied in the east. I think it will be 100 kilometres wide. This means a permanent Russian military occupation of a large chunk of Ukraine.
Its the central banks that are the problem in most countries economic systems Merlot, banks charging interest on money they don't really have, the credit system and letting the big banks print money.. doh
For MY countries sake, I hope they do.
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