A tale of ghosts and pulled muscles and the fabric

This won't turn short, I know that already, and I also know that quite a bit if not a lot of it will end misinterpreted or misunderstood by many, even though of course they will believe they have understood, but that's just another part of the problem I am trying to wrap my mind around.

When we encounter a situation, we either draw on previous experiences to make sense of what is going on, or we draw from a belief system, and sometimes the two are majorly interlinked. Yesterday for example a friend and I visited an old graveyard because I really like the peace and mystery such places emmit for me personally. I like to wander about on them, read gravestones and imagine the lives once lived by those who are now resting in the ground. I also will touch stones tenderly, just in case there is something left behind from those lives, sort of as a gentle greeting I guess. Did that many a times and never had any 'after effect'. Yesterday night though when I arrived back at my home, I felt as if something was not 'right'. It felt like something was in my home that had not been there before, and it was not a pleasant warm feeling. I didn't think upon it too much and just eneded going to sleep eventually, but when I woke and started to go upon my morning chores, I felt a strange burning pain just below my right ribs. Never felt this before, and there is nothing visible which could explain why my skin in that area has suddenly turned sensitive to even a light stroking over it, nor does the pain sit deep enough to suggest something more serious. It feels quite surface, sort of layers of the skin related, and one might could say it feels like a cut that has healed but then again not healed.

I think already at this point, some who may have ended reading this will roll their eyes and say 'oh my, next she is going to tell us she is some psychic or has made contact with some ghost trying to tell her about a murder'.. while others might at this time already vigorously nod, excited and fully convinced this is a sign I have attracted a ghost. Some readers of the rolling eye group no doubt will go further and begin to think of different explanations, and some of the nodders will possibly begin to draw connections between my experience and experiences they either have made or have been told of.

Okay, I really hope I can make this clear with this sentence: I do NOT claim to have attracted a ghost, nor am I claiming NOT to have attracted a ghost. To put it frankly - I got no bloody blooming clue!

There is however something that I do believe to be fact, and that is that if I had never heard a ghost story in my life, I would not even take such a thing into consideration, and the same goes also for the other way round: Had I only ever heard ghost stories and would I live in a society that accepts those as absolute truth, I'd not consider any other explanation in their stead. We however live in a society that is made up of some being believers in religions, some being hardcore scientists who will not accept anything beyond which can be proven in the physical world, and then again others who pick and mix and come to conclusions entirely due to their likings. The latter group to me is the one I sort of got the most 'problems' with, as they in my view end accepting or dismissing anything and everything purely based on their own personal judgement. They appear often as open minded and more tollerant on first view, compared to hardcore scientists or believers, but the thing is.. they do tend to eventually always arrive with conclusions, and the moment they do, they will turn intollerant to other options, and all this only based on their own evaluation, which in many cases is nowhere near as thorough as that of scientists, nor as excusable as that of religious believers.
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You're right, I got lost on the first
paragraph.confused
I have no advice for you other than to see a doctor for the "cut".

And I do want to relate this story to you. An old GF had a friendly relationship with a ghost living in her house. I don't remember the details but the man evidently lived on the plot of land where my ex-GF's house now sat. They allegedly had many conversations.
@ Ed1941

Yes, if the pain persists I will definitely go see a doc about it, ty for the advice ^^ and I have heard many stories about 'ghosts' too, and have myself come across some strange phenomenas as well, but it seems so very difficult to prove anything via scientific method moping but then I am also left to question the limitations of science.. so in truth I guess I am just wondering whether I should give into 'belief' in hopes I by potluck hit the truth roll eyes and not just in regards to this graveyard visit, but many other subjects too... blues
Tiny,

This sounds like a short story written by Stephen Kingdunno confused I think you really need to stay away from cemeteries and touching gravestonesroll eyes roll eyes if I did that sort of stuff, I would have issuesuh oh uh oh uh oh
I do hope you get better physically with the pain
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@ GoDaniel

Yes, I too was considering what issues might drive me to visit graveyards roll eyes
I shall claim pure scientific interest in that afterthingy! writing cool batting

Joking aside, I just like the peace and to ponder mortality, and graveyards seem a good place to ponder the later :)
@ GoDaniel

don't give me ideas! flirty laugh
Ah Ken_19, thank you heaps for a wonderful post!

Yes, it could be all sorts of things, and I have indeed in my mind investigate all sorts of possibilities too, including those you mentioned, and like I said - I do not really know whether something did 'attach' itself or not. In all truth this to me is almost secondary, or 'otherdary' sort of, lol, as in truth I only used the graveyard happenings to show how we end evaluating due to belief systems/preferances and previous experiences (may it be our own or heard of experiences).

What interests me and what I ponder is how we investigate and how we arrive at conclusions, and how we can ever be certain a conclusion is the correct one, if even science only ever has its 'there and then' level of knowledge available, which indeed can be lacking as previous cases in science have proven. Many of us will just accept reality at face value and not bother to try understand it further, while others will investigate to varying degrees, but it seems the human mind is in need to eventually always arrive at a judgement of 'truth'. It appears to me we can not handle uncertainty, not knowing, not understanding, and even though we often surely arrive with wrong conclusions, it seems we need them for the stability of our minds..
...as well as that of course we are often forced to draw conclusions as actions are required, which might be the overall driving force behind our need to conclude and judge? Even when we encounter phenomenas or situations where no action is required, it might just be the habit/drive that leads us to do it anyway?

So yes, that strange pain is slowly fading, and I have no idea whether I have a 'spirit' in this house, but due to my belief systems, my experiences and preferances, eventually I will probably come to decide one way or another, as that seems to be what we do/need to do, even under the risk of wrong conclusions...
btw, this blog entry is in its own right an experiment in regards to what really had me ponder. That is why I said it will probably be misunderstood. It was never about the ghost, but about how we evaluate. And looking at the answers, most concentrated on the ghost, not the questions raised about how we actually determine what is 'real'.

I would surely have done the same thing, concentrate on the ghost story I mean, and tried to offer explanations based on my belief systems and experiences. Seems this is how our minds work?
tinyfangs, 'how' we investigate is largely based/determined on our past experiences while learning and doing and what others may have taught us should or should not be considered. Our innate intelligence may or may not play a role depending on how free we are to exit the possibilities box. Were the folks investigating Galileo 'free' to find him innocent of wrong doing? Probably not. Not if they wanted to keep their own positions, so he was found guilty. Not being bound by the Canon law of his era, we allow his reported observations into the evidence and draw independent conclusions.

I wouldn't knock science too much. Scientific Method is still the most reliable thing humanity has found to explain how stuff is supposed to work.

The key word is 'supposed.' Where some 'scientists' (and those who quote them) make their mistake is they forget it is all hypothesis. True followers of scientific method understand that and follow the rules to seek new proofs that explain the exceptions. The ones who give scientists and science a bad name are the ones who mistake this weeks hypothesis for a proven fact. We build our science on the backs of folks like Euclid, Maxwell, Tesla, Planck, etc. They followed scientific method and therefore understood all of the answers will never be known as there will always be tweaking required of this weeks theory of understanding. If I may quote wiki, 'a method of inquiry must be based on empirical and measurable evidence subject to specific principles of reasoning.'

That doesn't mean true scientists decide that any event that violates the understanding that currently exists should be discarded. Instead a good scientist takes that 'event' and twists it around and around to see if it can be made to fit somewhere. One problem is sometimes there are several possible answers and which one is correct requires more data. Sometimes if we believe there should already be enough data but it still doesn't quite fit, we realize maybe the basic premise/theory we are trying to fit things into itself is in need of re-exam and a better theory and then the event may fit just fine. Can you say, Higgs Boson?

Another factor that should be considered is an extrapolation of "David Bohm's Theory of the Implicate Order" with the Universe itself being a living, moving, sometimes changing entity. In such scenario a determination of final fact is true only for a while, then something will change and a better hypothesis is then sought. That which is real is therefore transitory and subject to change and refutation.

What we seek are truths and understandings sufficient to get us through our days without needing constant counseling or lots of running around screaming.

Enough for now. Peace be unto thee. hug cheers
I like the way you think grin

Magic though I'd call simply just something we have currently not managed to explain and formularise. Magic is just a word, same as once star was just a word. They believed all sorts of things, from the sun being pulled across the sky to it being glued to some godly fabric. Now we are investigating with far more thorough method, but same time some scientists are working on proving that all we experience is just a simulation - not easy to stay 'sane' among all these ongoings moping lol

I have experienced 'things' impossible to just explain, alas my father sending me one of his song shortly before my mum died too, could of course just have be a coincidence, an extremely amazing one, but still a coincidence, same as a lot what we come across that appears almost 'too good to be true' might not even be true at all, and thus isn't good either (not to mention that the subject of 'good' and 'bad' is a tricky one all in its own right).

Love Quantum Physics though, so much fun to twist the mind around even more strange things heart wings as if just swimming to keep the head above water wouldn't be already plenty of effort crying uh oh laugh
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