I have been thinking...( not again! Lol).

If reality does not exist without observation...Do we exist because we are "observed?"...confused
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Quite simply
You do not exist because you are observed, you exist because you observe.

"cogito ergo sum"
~René Descartes~
It is like saying to someone that can't see. Feel this. So now it exists for her. She can't see so nothing exists. But she can feel or hear. We also have other ways of realizing that something exist. Senses.
Callio afew short weeks ago I had the exact same discussion of existentialism with a very knowledgable Buddhist follower, I recalled the. Dali Lama stating that "When we become overburdened byvthecweight of our concerns and worries, we need to relieive this feeling of (the worries),upon our shoulders and brush them away!". I practice this aspect myself and it is an amazing (albeit symbolic), guesture, however it somehow psychologically "removes" the load as it were., at least for a time so we can reflect :)

...Objective: I write therefore I am. ( here) ...or is an unseen force tapping the stylus on screen for me? (typing the letters) doh
If someone does not see you across the street and you see them, do you exist, of course you do.

I rest my case laugh
Lan. I dabbled in Buddhism. I cannot seem to be able to meditate. I can't switch off even slightly.
Lan. Thanx. U r interesting.
Actually since on a quantum level we are all just electrons, particles and truly just energy matrices, i.e., data floating in the multi verse, it is possible none of us really exist. We are quite possibly much more like the individuals in the old SF movie, The Thirteenth Floor.

laugh
Yw.
lifes here to live, otherwise we merely exist.
The buddhist follower I spoke with was much younger than me, his knowledge-insight was astonishing, I believe it is due to a massively sharpened attention (and inherent) ability to focus on the important aspects and. close out (as it were) the less relavant (aspects)..

He spoke. of pain being non real, 12 days ago now I split my head open it rained blood I was terrorstruckm I knew if I blacked out i might die, I called out for. help, a friend came was frozen with shock I couldnt see at all for blood I directed her to help me and call for ambulance, she did as I instructed, till help arrived, my focus was to survivve, I shook with frea she said "stay with me helps coming"

Afterwoods I was veryyyyyyy upset, still working it out, concussion may take months to subside, if ever
Im here now which is all that matters, this just one of many totally unplanned mishaps Ive been through
True Ken, very profound also, I experiment with electonics and compare 'conciousness' with Quiescent currents maybe were like lighten bugs?
here only in the ether
loveallnite,
Don't you think existentialism is the philosophy of already knowing of ones existence and trying to find one individual identity in it,
Whereas Calli posed a question of doubt as to weather existence was was a state of mind. This would require the application of the first principle in resolving universal doubt, Which is what calli has DOUBT.

Also in relation to your comment.
“...Objective: I write therefore I am. ( here) ...or is an unseen force tapping the stylus on screen for me? (typing the letters) doh”

It does not matter what force is tapping on the other end of the argument, Calli is simply observing it Therefore she exists.
Your existence is yours to worry about. Now the fact that the two of you know you both exist and want to be free of each others influence on each other can become an existential debate as the eradication of universal doubt about the self is gone.

And calli,
a joke for you
The Dalai lama walks into a pizza hut and says
“can you make me one with every thing” laugh
You raise some good points Non, deep thinking can lead us to enoightenment and realisation of what matters to us, the dali lama pizza joke made me laugh, (light relief) as I was thinking of a few things.

You know when ..for example.... lets say a car jack leaks oil and a foolhardy individual mechanic who has failed to use extra/standby support is trapped under the immense weight.
A passer by or observer jumps in to lift the weight off while the unfortunate (careless) one is dragged uncermoniously out of deaths jaws, the rescuers having zero time to think, they just react to the emergency and afterwoods noooo way could they even budge the car again, the extraordinary abilities we as beings posses, should be taught abd focussed upon, then a Real shift in approach would occur, thus making for the (needed) changes in this tragically-foolish "world" as we perceive it.
Without reading all the comments I would say that we all exist in our dimension.
In other words it's not because you can't see a person or vice versa that they do not exist but because we are in another dimension or frequency and even in a parallel universe.
Same as in the spirit world.
Some can see spirits and some cannot depending on your vibrations and spirits can see us if they lower theirs to our third dimension.

Does it answer your question Calliop? dunno
Min, parallel worlds yes hmm, thought evoking stuff indeed.
Lan. I havnt had exposure to Bhuddism for a while now but I like the Dhalai Lama's general teachings. Just another field of interest so far for me.
Ken_19
Quantum Physics does not actually say that per-se,
What you may refer to is the integrated information theory (IIT) model of consciousness or perhaps “Consciousness as a State of Matter” both just theories at the moment, But the best ones we have.

to say
"we are truly just energy matrices, i.e., data floating in the multi verse," rather simplifies the issue to something rather different.

what the studies are about is finding out why our brains are hard wired to understanding conciousness on a 3 dimensional level with the ability of only 5 senses rather than an infinite quantum realm, ie is the quantum realm just an imagining being made real by our perception of it. thumbs up

Quantum hall is another term to describe a type of observer effect.
Ns. What about us having more senses than 5.
loveallnite,
I have no doubt that the old adage "MIND OVER MATTER" holds great truth when it comes to unleashing hidden potential of both the human conciousness and the physical body. At least I hope it does, other wise all my Jedi training will be for nothing laugh
"Snookums3
Ns. What about us having more senses than 5."

I think "an infinite quantum realm" is greater than 5 wine
Ns. Where did this interest of urs originate from.
If we take Infinity and devide it by R squared -recurring then we achieve absolute infinity

The existance of higher beings being known (but denied officially) leads us to assume (since its denied by officialdom) that there are answers to science we are being Denied access to.
Science should NOT be limited to the priveliged few but to all, since it affects us all.

If you have watched a creative person make say a vase from clay on a potters wheel, to marvel how from a lump of mass a splendid shaped, useful vessel is "created" before your very eyes, this principle used to apply to everything we knew, not so now micro electronics were using to blog/chat etc, far-far inferior to our own brains capabilities are used, moreover science is encompassing aspects with regard to mandacturing ( read sales/ production/monetary "rewards").
A concept I cant quite grasp (yet) exists, whereby we told we can "print" a three-dimensional object
a new ear-kidney or even an eye can be made using technologies far beyond what was thought possible previously....we live yes in very exciting times indeed...I sit often and ponder if it was possible and HOW we can reverse processes ( sonehow reverse-engineer ) and correct debilitating human defects, so that adults and children can live their lives more fully, instead of the existance -enduring-disabilities for example., which with careful alteration could be eradixated/corrected.
Bill Gates fortune is via his and his wifes foundation used to help eradicate Malaria and similar diseases.
We have the opportunities in our OWN time to make cyange possible., greed, power etc inhibit this mostly!
break needed herem seeing double again, therfore many spelling mistakes
Nonsmoker, is it all not just Theory and Hypothesis?

Yes, I admit I greatly simplified and merged elements of M Theory and David Bohm's talks on the Holistic Nature of the Universe (i.e., we are all parts of one long dream, walking on and off stage as the plot demands) and Universal Consciousness. Like Bohm, I find we lack the math to formulte it, bur it a better hypothesis than believing this is the all.


wave
Lan. Oh! I wish everything was possible.
Science should benefit all I meant to say before/
Lan. And if u have the will but none of the other characteristics. What then.
Lan. I would like to believe that certain things r possible. Like cures for some diseases or parallel universes and going to live on other planets. But none will happen soon. Not in my lifetime anyway.
Then you find a solution, answers ARE there, however we often experience (and see in others ) its easier to quit, I find ways means etc always, example years ago when I helped start a foundation to assisit the Chernobyl children from e effects from the disaster here, I was told. it cant. be done bull @&?kr. !! we got folks to help sounded then out filtered OUT the ego seekers, got things. moving and GOT the children to denmark, the next year I said we can do better we got more every year here, will and bloody-minded determination is what GETS results.
Lan. I agree with the attitude and where there's a will. That's all that's required. And lots of money in donations to make it work.
Snookums3,
I'm interested in everything and everyone. Its the only way to grasp the interconnectedness of all things.
That's not to say I know anything or anybody, I just grab at things now and then to stop me drifting into oblivion thumbs up

I know that I know nothing.
~Socrates~
You cant be more wrong, these and other things ARE happening already, have done so for many years, the sad/tragic fact is Elitism Dictates. only the chosen few take part, suppression of facts, cures, MONEY etc limit ordinary peoples access.
The japanese have FOUND cures for many cancers, its. all hung up in LICENSING the cures.....
so that ...you guessed someone makes MONEY from it!
Bl%%dy Disgusting in the extreme

meanwhile patients perish/suffer..... $$$$$$$$$
Ns. I like that saying.
Lan. U r a fountain of information.
Lan. Can u mail me so that we don't talk so publicly.
Thanks... I think ...all im trying to say is be like Nike Just DO IT !

allow NO obstacle to recovery, happiness, solutions bulldoze a way to the result you seek.
Make NO bones about your motive.
Nelson Mandela My HEROOOOOOOOOOO ( b.t.w.)
Lan. Yes. It was nice then. I like him very much myself.
Geeez Calli,, your 'thinking' really confuses me confused rolling on the floor laughing
Hi Calli wave

Have to agree with Luke wave really confusing... exist we would but observation gives meaning to what is perceived to exist ... aliens could call the human species 'aliens' according their observation criteria wow
Your so cheeky Ed laugh
Hope you are having a good day wine
Hi Calli, my personal believe is that were created and are observed by a kind and loving God.

Hope you are enjoying a lovely day. wave
If a tree falls in the forest, and there is no one around to observe the incident, does it make a sound?
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