The killing of a Gorilla, justified? or not?



I was watching the news about this case and it is mind boggling just what others have been saying.

What about you?

Thanks all for your read and comments (if any).
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I copied this from one of the thread although, I was watching this on news and it is a very sensational issue at the moment. Reading all the comments from you tube just make me feel, perhaps we should think of the circumstance the zoo keeper had to make in an instant.sad flower
It's a sad thing all around. Watching the video it seemed more like the gorilla was concerned at how upset the boy was and was trying to remove him from danger. But It was hard to tell. There are definitely strong opinions about this.

My opinion is that zoos are awful places for animals. Period.
Very sad indeed. I think the gorilla should have been tranquilized.

I hate zoos and to see the animals in cages. Parents should watch their children.professor


As for the man with the bear... well... uh oh


I didn´t see the story but, was it another one of those "ego" boasting adventures? Like my blog about selfies where people put their lives in danger doing stupid things? doh
No my dear unfortunately it is not one of those. I believe that the fence is way too short and the prolific tot climbed it? But where are the parents when that was happening?

That was considered but I believe it takes 10 to 15 minutes before the effect and by then every second is a precious moment.

I personally think that the keepers adhered to accepted protocol.sad flower
I have been thinking on this a lot,
and I cant beat it out of the gray area it seems to be in.

Human irresponsibility = Death of a Gorilla dunno

It just does not add up.
And no I would not have preferred to see the kid die sad flower
Lindsy that gorillas life was already taken, it was caged. It's not justified, I don't agree with animals being caged and have never taken my own kids to a zoo or circus.
Like Non said, I didn't want to see the child die.
A real dilemma Non. And it is not an easy one. But yes, there are zoo for the purpose of learning. There is a price to what we have to learn I guess. But with so many animals that have roamed the earth before human, I do understand how these wild has to be studied or be tamed at one point. Not all of them of course. On the one hand, if they did outnumbered man, then we don't have a safe place to live.

Going back to the situation, the zoo is there whether one wants it or not. But responsibility has to absolutely come in. The parents for instance to know what is important for the children. No I wouldn't take any of my children at that age to a zoo.sad flower
Z or the parents for that matter. Yes, there should have been a double fence to ensure safety.
Ish, I am with you. No one wanted for the child to die hence the killing of the Gorilla instead.sad flower
@ LJ - wave ... Me thinks that they should have left the boy with the gorilla, I've watched the movie: Tarzan and me thinks that the gorilla would have taken better care of the little boy than his mother did...... conversing grin



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@ Dani~ - wave ... Had to be said..... laugh rolling on the floor laughing


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That is actually what is on my mind Hans. How can such an irresponsible parents left a tot that age all to himself?

That is why I jokingly recommended they should have shot the parents instead.sad flower
I had to look at the video before I answered because I was totally unsure of how I felt about it. Part of me said it was justified to kill the gorilla but then maybe not.

In the video the gorilla dragged the boy around viciously. As if it was daring the people above to try and come and get it. It appeared that the gorilla now "owned" that child.

I think that the zoo people also saw that and then decided to shoot the gorilla because hindsight doesn't work in situations like that!

I feel now it was justified.
Ed thank you for your input. I thought the same way.wave
A very sad situation indeed. I think the parents were careless and the all suffered as a result. An animal from the Wild will naturally resort to its wild instincts. It would not consider how young or human something is before attacking. Same with lions or any other wild animal. We have had lions attacking tourists who stepped out of their cars to take photos in a game reserve. There are no cages in the reserves and we have them all over SA. So why would the tourist be so foolish? I don't like zoos but we must all practice caution each time we are around wild animals in any environment
lj!

Yeah, I think we were real right. Did you see the video. That gorilla was frightening. It looked like the boy was completely bewildered. He just didn't know what to do, again, prompting action and now!

Yuniksha!!

Yeah, people have strange ideas. It's as if we have to protect the animals from invasion. I know this! Dogs are very territorial. So I am sure that's the way animals are in the wild. First one to the food source gets the prize!!!
Very unfortunate, but i blame the zoo, for not having proper safeguards in place, that would have stopped this from ever happening in the first place.
John thanks much for your post. I was reading your thread after watching it on the news and it is very noteworthy to talk about.

And yes, those animals are made to be free and roam but sometimes we have to learn and I am not quite oppose to the handling of them on captivity ans there are so many of them that will just get killed by their kinds however on the negligence of human amazes me.sad flower
Thanks Yunik, that is what I think too. I am sure out of instinct to save the baby, they had to resort to the surest way of handling his life before the animal. A call for no second guessing. Negligence again, of the careless and stupid parents.sad flower
I am with you on that one Ed. Thanks.sad flower
Hello Lindsy, wave I wonder what signs the Zoo officials had posted at the entrance of the zoo, for the do s, and don ts of visitorsconfused Occasionally when I baby sit, and go out in public, I make sure youngster I babysit is within arms reach. I figure I am responsible for that child, and that childs return home.
Its a sad situationcrying , hope something is learn from the death of the gorilla, a majestic animal.
I agree with you Ito, a most saddening event. I can't for the life of me imagine how these parents were so grossly irresponsible on this child. I am like you. 100 percent at a time my children were always cordoned and with the same clothes where ever we took them for family entertainment like in Disneyworld and Disneyland or Parks. It is a very unfortunate situation.sad flower
Lindsy, I ve met parents, maybe you have, who figure thier little ones should be allowed to roam around a bit, so they can learn for themselves,confused ( I ve noticed it when shopping)doh Makes me wonder about this situation,confused
I do see them even in the grocery stores and shopping malls Ito and it is most frightening. I can't ever do that. Fortunately I had my mom and my niece to help me all the time with my three young children.sad flower
My dear friend, lj !!

I have just finished reading an update on the killing of this gorilla. Here are the facts!

A gorilla handler of many years made this observation.

The GORILLAS were lured with treats to another section and the ONLY one that didn't respond was Harambe.

The gorilla, if shot by a tranquilizer gun, would still be active for about 10 minutes. If the tranquilizer worked the gorilla may have fallen on top of the boy and that would have drowned him.

The gorilla expert clearly states that the gorilla was confused and was SLINGING the young boy around. Again, it also looked like it was not going to give up the child.

In so many words the conclusion was that the zoo acted quickly (it had to) and properly!

Jane Goodall made this observation. That perhaps the gorilla may have done what the gorilla in Chicago did. Protect the child.

The Chicago gorilla was a FEMALE!!! Harambe was a MALE! Making it unlikely the saving scenario would not happen!!

It didn't look like it to me. And the zoo and the expert agree!
Thanks for the additional insight Leno. I love the signs to be posted as you provided..wave laugh
Seriously, this was a rare incident but yes, the killing of the ape is the better alternative for me.sad flower
What instant? They waited 20 minutes. No one asked the keeper. Instead the Zoo Director called the Zoo's Lawyers. They made the decision and he relayed to the guards standing by.

As no less than Jane Goodall observed there is no aggression being displayed in the videos. The gorilla did what we would. Ran to the child that fell in, evaluated it's condition, then hauled it away from the deep water. Then when more humans crowded the fence in that area he dragged the kid to the other end and waited for the keeper to come and tell it what to do. Note this was not a wild gorilla. This was a 17 year old gorilla raised in captivity by humans. Would you shoot your neighbors dog if it hauled your child out of the water but didn't bite it? The gorilla was murdered because the lawyers feared what it might do, not because it did do. Gorillas are intelligent. The other gorillas there saw what happened. Trust me. Next time they will let the kid drown.

The Mom has an alleged history of bad judgment involving her kids. Charge her with negligence and be done with it.
Len - you are correct. The wall is just a warning. It is the landmines and the snipers one should worry about.
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