The US Senate finally concludes that Russia interferred with the election in favor of Trump.



I wonder when (and if) Trump supporters will finally realize that they were duped by Russia & Trump.
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I really can't see why your senate would waste time & tax dollars to come to that conclusion dunno before the election Putin was quoted as saying that if Clinton won WW111 was highly lightly, this being his view why wouldn't he try & influence the election professor I mean it's not as though this is type of activity is new, by your own released CIA documents the USA have been doing it since at least since the WW11, if the concern is that he could hack into the voting machines wouldn't the money spent on this investigation have been better used to come up with a system that can't be hacked, here in Europe we solved that problem in around the year 1700 ad, by putting a pencil in the poling booth so people could put an X on a piece of paper next to there chosen candidate, hack that Putin laugh

Do the senate really believe the American people can be that easily swayed by the Russians posting stuff on social media doh look at what was said about Trump in the lead up to the election, were people swayed dunno it would seem not.
In the UK we get same basic argument from those that voted to remain in the EU, they say the people didn't understand what they were voting for, I personally think both they & you do your respective countries a gross injustice suggesting people were too stupid to know what they voted for, imo in both cases the voters were sick of the current regime & wanted a change, in both cases there were only two options on the ballot paper, they had to pick one, they had, again imo, the intelligence to make an informed choice after weighing up the options.
But here in the USA the information for that "informed" choice was false.
while I agree that might be right jim....they obviously cant link it to trump and Russia was independent in its choice to interfere....my understanding it that putin dislikes Hillary because she tried to or did interfere in a Russian election by disseminating propaganda etc....dunno
Smart & stupid are relative terms. Most people are not geniuses.
In general the people who voted for Trump were whites who were relatively uneducated
as compared to those who voted for Hillary.



In addition they could have voted for neither and chose someone else.
M4 - I agree it will be difficult to directly link it to Trump. He's certainly not going to admit it.
However, there are too many Russian connections for it not to be true.



That is why it is taking so long to uncover all the evidence.

Plus his son met with Russians to get "dirt on Hillary" and Trump dictated a false excuse to his son
after the fact. That's obstruction of justice. Perhaps the firing of Comey is too.
Certainly Trump also changed his story on why he fired him.
As he did on the Stormy Daniels payment.

Plus, of course there is this;



I do not trust Putin nor Trump and for valid reasons.

It will be interesting to see what evidence is collected against him.
My guess is they will not be able to prove collusion beyond a shadow of a doubt,
but they will be able to provide enough evidence of illegal money laundering.
All they have to do, is follow the money.
Z- If Trump continues on his tariff crusade, there will likely be a US economic downturn.
So far, he hasn't done enough harm to interrupt the Obama recovery from the horrible US recession.
However, the person who used the fear tactics was Trump. His campaign was rooted in fear of minorities
while promising to build a great wall, that Mexico was going to pay for.
And the uneducated dolts ate it up.

Z - NEVER overestimate the intelligence of the public;

There's all levels of dumb out there;

The Senate and all major US intelligence agencies have now confirmed a lot of it.
The spy was simply attempting to answer a question. He didn't even know who his client was.
who was hired by Hillary and I think bs because very little of it can be verified....what they couldn't prove they made up...that much is clear......dunno
It isn't clear that any of it was made up. What data contradicts it ?
Ironicly, the original clients were a conservative newspaper, which dropped the investigation once Trump
became the Republican nominee.
Tell me ... is there a law...international or internal stating that any country cannot voice their opinions or any comment .. about anything ... i can't find one..!!!!
I'm afraid it became too late last night to reply to your earlier comments, but sorry I can't watch your vids, as youtube seem to have put trackers on them Firefox now shows them as blank boxes, but I must say I'm in great admiration of your bravery thumbs up posting a comment calling the majority of your countrymen "uneducated dolts" next to your photo uh oh boxing laugh You weren't planning on going out in public in the near future were you doh
quarterhorse, I can only talk about Spain on that question, and yes there is legislation in force here at the moment making it illegal to criticise the government or state authorities in public or on the internet, punishable by huge fines & possible imprisonment, in the first year of this law I believe 1600 people were prosecuted very mad
I did not say the majority were dolts. I said the dolts ate it up.
For anyone who was stupid enough to believed that Trump was going to build a great wall and
that Mexico was going to pay for it, the word dolt is accurately applicable.

I am joyfully in the public most days and do not plan on changing that. dancing
Firefox works well for me with Youtube. It might be your local internet provider that has put blocks on it.
Sorry that you live in a less informed society. sad flower
Jim, hate to dissolution you but it's nothing to do with my network provider, just means have stricter rules on Firefox re tracking that you, I also don't feel any ill effects from not spending my days watching youtube vids, I prefer to get my news from a news source, that way it stands less chance of being tainted by the fake news brigade professor


@ Z-Man!
Could have something to do with your AV-Program!
We're similar peoples with similar politics and Brexit won here. I don't believe hostile outsiders are as much to blame as people think they are. If you overestimate the difference Putin makes you may neglect your own problems.
CC - and if you ignore the problems Putin caused, you are likely to have history repeat.
I still hear people today repeating the propaganda that Putin had disseminated as fact, despite it being false.
When people of lower intelligence hear things repeated over & over, they tend to believe them, no matter how false they are.
So the whine is Russia is what caused Hillary to be defeated?
Fine. Next time a Democrat wins, nuke Russia.
wow

That sounds a mite extreme, Ken.

Hardening/securing the DNC systems to prevent future hacking would be easier.

Frankly -
Any major political party should've been savvy enough to do so in the 1st place.
And they got what was coming.

Failure to anticipate it's possibility/probability raises questions whether that party is competent to hold the Presidency.

It's a competency issue. IMO.

cowboy
They hacked both the DNC & the RNC.


"Jan 10, 2017 · Russia Hacked 'Older' Republican Emails, FBI Director Says..."

Older Emails were hacked?
Newer ones concerning a National election were less easily hacked?

One NC managed damage control more competently?

Again, a competence issue.

Note also the date.
It's old news.
We might safely presume both have dealt with it.
We're flogging a dead horse.
gotta go

cowboy
Unfortunately, the horse is not dead and it changes. Hackers don't rest on their conquests.
Hacking & cyber security is in a mode of flux. It's a constantly changing battle.
Agreed handshake

Hopefully both NCs will get - and stay - ahead of the curve.

cowboy
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