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Feb 28, 2009 2:51 PM CST Voting with Your Dollar
Galactic_bodhi
Galactic_bodhiGalactic_bodhiAkron, Ohio USA609 Threads 1 Polls 9,196 Posts
Not as many people realize this as much as they should, or think about it for that matter, but capitalism IS Democracy in its purest form. Every dollar you spend, every good or service you buy, is a choice, and opinion.

A vote.

Sure, we pay a little less at Walmart, yes. We get great deals. Isn't life wonderful? But by buying at Walmart (or any other corporation, for that matter. I'm just using them as an example, specifically because I have an axe to grind with Chinese merchandise wink devil) we tacitly agree with everything they stand for. We vote, we empower, we create, all through our choice in purchases.

Now, that's fine. I'm not going to get down on you for buying your latest kiddie pool at roll-back prices. I just want you to realize that our country is the way it is, because of your choices.

Realized, informed, unrealized, uninformed, or whatever, you are responsible for your choices. Ignorance is not a defense in the law. And convenience or thrift is not an excuse for exercising your economic vote in an uninformed manner, and then complaining about the consequences as if you had nothing to do with it. We are all responsible, for the mess, and for its cleanup.

Go out and vote. Every day, and in every way. But do it with your children in mind, not your own convenience. Otherwise, there will be no tomorrow, no proud nation of free individuals. There will be mindless and unjustified consumption for the sake of the profit of the very few, with little or no ethical or moral value to our society left that is not force-fed to us by a complicit media.
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Feb 28, 2009 2:55 PM CST Voting with Your Dollar
mbcasey
mbcaseymbcaseyNorth Myrtle Beach, South Carolina USA68 Threads 7 Polls 16,449 Posts
Galactic_bodhi: Not as many people realize this as much as they should, or think about it for that matter, but capitalism IS Democracy in its purest form. Every dollar you spend, every good or service you buy, is a choice, and opinion.

A vote.

Sure, we pay a little less at Walmart, yes. We get great deals. Isn't life wonderful? But by buying at Walmart (or any other corporation, for that matter. I'm just using them as an example, specifically because I have an axe to grind with Chinese merchandise ) we tacitly agree with everything they stand for. We vote, we empower, we create, all through our choice in purchases.

Now, that's fine. I'm not going to get down on you for buying your latest kiddie pool at roll-back prices. I just want you to realize that our country is the way it is, because of your choices.

Realized, informed, unrealized, uninformed, or whatever, you are responsible for your choices. Ignorance is not a defense in the law. And convenience or thrift is not an excuse for exercising your economic vote in an uninformed manner, and then complaining about the consequences as if you had nothing to do with it. We are all responsible, for the mess, and for its cleanup.

Go out and vote. Every day, and in every way. But do it with your children in mind, not your own convenience. Otherwise, there will be no tomorrow, no proud nation of free individuals. There will be mindless and unjustified consumption for the sake of the profit of the very few, with little or no ethical or moral value to our society left that is not force-fed to us by a complicit media.


I agree GB...the power of the dollar is the grass roots of democratic protest.

It seems the voting booth has been too corrupt to make one's vote count. I still vote, but I always believed in the peaceful protest of where my dollars will not go.thumbs up
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Feb 28, 2009 2:59 PM CST Voting with Your Dollar
SexyAttorney
SexyAttorneySexyAttorneyClearwater, Florida USA25 Threads 976 Posts
My Country is NOT this way because of my choices. My Country is this way because of Corporate choices, unions, and not competitiveness.
Only in America at the "Big 3" can a high school dropout start on an assembly line at 28 bucks an hour with full medical, while at the Toyota plants IN America they start at 14 dollars an hour.
Just one prime example of pricing themselves out of business....
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Feb 28, 2009 3:06 PM CST Voting with Your Dollar
Big_John
Big_JohnBig_JohnOcean Springs, Mississippi USA19 Threads 9,767 Posts
I do not agree shopping at a place with higher prices will "vote" our way of life for us or our children. We must learn to compete with our international neighbors. We became great because we knew how to do something better than others and we had large natural resources. Today we do not know how to do it cheaper. In fact, I don't believe we do very much in the line of quality either. So if I vote I vote for the people who can produce better than us.
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Feb 28, 2009 3:10 PM CST Voting with Your Dollar
Galactic_bodhi
Galactic_bodhiGalactic_bodhiAkron, Ohio USA609 Threads 1 Polls 9,196 Posts
Big_John: I do not agree shopping at a place with higher prices will "vote" our way of life for us or our children. We must learn to compete with our international neighbors. We became great because we knew how to do something better than others and we had large natural resources. Today we do not know how to do it cheaper. In fact, I don't believe we do very much in the line of quality either. So if I vote I vote for the people who can produce better than us.


And I'm not saying that's wrong, big john. But you are certainly aware when you buy these things that you are exercising a choice, am I right?dunno
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Feb 28, 2009 3:15 PM CST Voting with Your Dollar
Galactic_bodhi
Galactic_bodhiGalactic_bodhiAkron, Ohio USA609 Threads 1 Polls 9,196 Posts
Big_John: I do not agree shopping at a place with higher prices will "vote" our way of life for us or our children. We must learn to compete with our international neighbors. We became great because we knew how to do something better than others and we had large natural resources. Today we do not know how to do it cheaper. In fact, I don't believe we do very much in the line of quality either. So if I vote I vote for the people who can produce better than us.


And I don't agree with having trade partners that refuse the same openness in their imports as they expect with their exports. very mad
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Feb 28, 2009 3:52 PM CST Voting with Your Dollar
Galactic_bodhi
Galactic_bodhiGalactic_bodhiAkron, Ohio USA609 Threads 1 Polls 9,196 Posts
rusty_knight: I agree with you............ and it always seems to be that when things get tough that so many otherwise intelligent people can't seem to grasp the law of comparative advantage - like it really doesn't make economic sense to grow coffee in Greenland or try and attract skiing tourists to Gozo - we all gain if we open up to trade and we all lose when people get all isolationist....... especially if the USA starts looking inwards rather than outwards and puts up barriers to trade and then other countries do a 'tit for tat' and we all suffer as a consequence!



The USA should concentrate on what it is good at - growing wheat and making new weapons of mass destruction for the world market!

(sorry, last was a kind of tongue-in-cheek joke)


I laughed. laugh wave thumbs up
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Feb 28, 2009 3:54 PM CST Voting with Your Dollar
Galactic_bodhi
Galactic_bodhiGalactic_bodhiAkron, Ohio USA609 Threads 1 Polls 9,196 Posts
Not quite rusty. laugh

It's Royal Crown Cola. The makers of Seven-Up. But hey, I think they're owned by somebody else now...prolly Pepsi laugh doh mumbling
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Feb 28, 2009 3:54 PM CST Voting with Your Dollar
rusty_knight
rusty_knightrusty_knightGozo, Malta175 Threads 2 Polls 6,840 Posts
Galactic_bodhi: I laughed.


Thanks - I was beginning to get paranoid as 99.99% of everything I post seems to get ignored!¬ grin
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Feb 28, 2009 3:57 PM CST Voting with Your Dollar
Galactic_bodhi
Galactic_bodhiGalactic_bodhiAkron, Ohio USA609 Threads 1 Polls 9,196 Posts
rusty_knight: Thanks - I was beginning to get paranoid as 99.99% of everything I post seems to get ignored!¬


Because this is a serious topic, I tend to think humor is more in order than ever, rusty. We can't all agree on it, I'm sure. But I believe everything, minus all the moral rhetoric, is socio-economically driven in the world. If you follow the money, you will find the perpetrators of some of the biggest con-jobs in the world. mumbling grin
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Feb 28, 2009 3:58 PM CST Voting with Your Dollar
rusty_knight
rusty_knightrusty_knightGozo, Malta175 Threads 2 Polls 6,840 Posts
Galactic_bodhi: Not quite rusty.

It's Royal Crown Cola. The makers of Seven-Up. But hey, I think they're owned by somebody else now...prolly Pepsi


I saw a tv programme tonight on the BBC world service - this woman was stating that the brand name of Cocal Cola is worth more than the physical value of all its stock and factories worldwide!

I've always been a coca-cola drinker - if I go into a bar and ask for a coke and get given Pepsi I get really upset and rant and rave and end getting thrown out while stone-cold sober!

A 'coke' to me is a coca-cola by default; I don't want a Roman Catholic coke or Protestant coke or atheist coke........just a coca-cola! thumbs up
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Feb 28, 2009 3:59 PM CST Voting with Your Dollar
zee1ander
zee1anderzee1anderSomewhere, Kentucky USA52 Threads 4 Polls 1,758 Posts
I read a article a few years back stating that GM was the worlds second worst run company only slightly behind the US Government. We really do need to let these corporate boat anchors die. It will hurt to let them die now, but it will hurt even more if we let them die later down the road..... and they will die.

zee
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Feb 28, 2009 4:01 PM CST Voting with Your Dollar
Indyfella
IndyfellaIndyfellaindianapolis, Indiana USA152 Threads 8 Polls 18,150 Posts
Galactic_bodhi: Not as many people realize this as much as they should, or think about it for that matter, but capitalism IS Democracy in its purest form. Every dollar you spend, every good or service you buy, is a choice, and opinion.

A vote.

Sure, we pay a little less at Walmart, yes. We get great deals. Isn't life wonderful? But by buying at Walmart (or any other corporation, for that matter. I'm just using them as an example, specifically because I have an axe to grind with Chinese merchandise ) we tacitly agree with everything they stand for. We vote, we empower, we create, all through our choice in purchases.

Now, that's fine. I'm not going to get down on you for buying your latest kiddie pool at roll-back prices. I just want you to realize that our country is the way it is, because of your choices.

Realized, informed, unrealized, uninformed, or whatever, you are responsible for your choices. Ignorance is not a defense in the law. And convenience or thrift is not an excuse for exercising your economic vote in an uninformed manner, and then complaining about the consequences as if you had nothing to do with it. We are all responsible, for the mess, and for its cleanup.

Go out and vote. Every day, and in every way. But do it with your children in mind, not your own convenience. Otherwise, there will be no tomorrow, no proud nation of free individuals. There will be mindless and unjustified consumption for the sake of the profit of the very few, with little or no ethical or moral value to our society left that is not force-fed to us by a complicit media.


Hard to disagree with... However, I would say that Walmart does employ a lot of people and pays a ton of taxes.thumbs up
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Feb 28, 2009 4:04 PM CST Voting with Your Dollar
Galactic_bodhi
Galactic_bodhiGalactic_bodhiAkron, Ohio USA609 Threads 1 Polls 9,196 Posts
Indyfella: Hard to disagree with... However, I would say that Walmart does employ a lot of people and pays a ton of taxes.


Yes, they make lots of people co-dependent on their continued existence, rather than empowering them to be in business for themselves don't they? grin cool laugh
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Feb 28, 2009 4:05 PM CST Voting with Your Dollar
Galactic_bodhi
Galactic_bodhiGalactic_bodhiAkron, Ohio USA609 Threads 1 Polls 9,196 Posts
Indyfella: and a commie pinko too.


Now that hurts. doh

rolling on the floor laughing tongue
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Feb 28, 2009 4:07 PM CST Voting with Your Dollar
Indyfella
IndyfellaIndyfellaindianapolis, Indiana USA152 Threads 8 Polls 18,150 Posts
Galactic_bodhi: Now that hurts.


I was jokin....I giggled when I typed it. cheers
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Feb 28, 2009 4:08 PM CST Voting with Your Dollar
Galactic_bodhi
Galactic_bodhiGalactic_bodhiAkron, Ohio USA609 Threads 1 Polls 9,196 Posts
Indyfella: I was jokin....I giggled when I typed it.


I know, Indy. You know where I stand on socialism I assume? handshake laugh
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Feb 28, 2009 4:19 PM CST Voting with Your Dollar
rusty_knight
rusty_knightrusty_knightGozo, Malta175 Threads 2 Polls 6,840 Posts
zee1ander: I read a article a few years back stating that GM was the worlds second worst run company only slightly behind the US Government. We really do need to let these corporate boat anchors die. It will hurt to let them die now, but it will hurt even more if we let them die later down the road..... and they will die.

zee


Correct - and with Obama's free health to all plan those GM health benefit and pension liabilities might get 'absorbed' - and little piglets and cows will jump over the moon too!

My guess is that if left to their own devices that two out of the big three US motor manufacturers would go bust - Chrysler and either GM or Ford......... whichever was left would be leaner and meaner and better able to compete in a global market.
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Feb 28, 2009 4:35 PM CST Voting with Your Dollar
zee1ander
zee1anderzee1anderSomewhere, Kentucky USA52 Threads 4 Polls 1,758 Posts
Galactic_bodhi: Yes, they make lots of people co-dependent on their continued existence, rather than empowering them to be in business for themselves don't they?


Not everyone wants to own a business. Walmart employs 1.2 million people in the US and all the store managers have worked their way up through the ranks. It isn't impossible to make $60k+ a year at Walmart if you want the responsibility.

zee
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Feb 28, 2009 4:59 PM CST Voting with Your Dollar
Galactic_bodhi
Galactic_bodhiGalactic_bodhiAkron, Ohio USA609 Threads 1 Polls 9,196 Posts
zee1ander: Not everyone wants to own a business. Walmart employs 1.2 million people in the US and all the store managers have worked their way up through the ranks. It isn't impossible to make $60k+ a year at Walmart if you want the responsibility.

zee


Why should I work for $60K when I could gross $150K doing the same job? Because they have engineered volume distribution trade agreements with China that essentially force me to work for them rather than myself.

Just one for instance. And with all due respect. Not everybody wants to work for themselves agreed. But for people who do, like myself, I would provide stable, locally profitable jobs for those same people. But I can't compete against a one-sided volume-distribution trade conspiracy.frustrated mumbling
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