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Apr 7, 2009 9:24 PM CST President Obama's trip......did it accomplish any thing?
ttom500
ttom500ttom500St. Cloud, Florida USA30 Threads 5 Polls 10,523 Posts
According to Newt Grinrich.....President Obama did not accomplish much.

He points out.....

President Obama sought military forces for Afghanistan from
NATO.............and got 5000 trainers for the Afghan police
force and two F-16s

President Obama tried to get Russia and China into a supporting greater UN sanctions on Iran. Neither supported the motion in the
Security Council.

President Obama gave a speech on nuclear disarmament and the North Korean launched a missile several hour prior. Attempted to enter Russia into nuclear talks, none were arranged.

President Obama sought to gain support from the G-20 regarding
the world's economic situation. That his stimulus plan, US budget,
and continued support for bailout of companies was the path to take. Yet few seem to join the continued spending spree to the degree that Obama desires.

Thoughts?
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Apr 7, 2009 9:40 PM CST President Obama's trip......did it accomplish any thing?
Obummer, here we go again.

While I did not vote for him, I will support our Pres....but at least give him some time. Rome wasn't built in a day, or even a month or a year. I wouldn't expect our President to fix everything in such a short time, or even the given four years allotted to him.
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Apr 7, 2009 10:17 PM CST President Obama's trip......did it accomplish any thing?
evilcherryqueen
evilcherryqueenevilcherryqueenRemiss, Michigan USA1 Threads 439 Posts
ttom500: According to Newt Grinrich.....President Obama did not accomplish much.

He points out.....

President Obama sought military forces for Afghanistan from
NATO.............and got 5000 trainers for the Afghan police
force and two F-16s

President Obama tried to get Russia and China into a supporting greater UN sanctions on Iran. Neither supported the motion in the
Security Council.

President Obama gave a speech on nuclear disarmament and the North Korean launched a missile several hour prior. Attempted to enter Russia into nuclear talks, none were arranged.

President Obama sought to gain support from the G-20 regarding
the world's economic situation. That his stimulus plan, US budget,
and continued support for bailout of companies was the path to take. Yet few seem to join the continued spending spree to the degree that Obama desires.

Thoughts?




roll eyes at least he didn't get a shoe thrown at him when he was in Iraq.

He's doing more and fixing than you are willing to believe. I have heard what he has said with my own 2 ears, and have listened to how the republicans turned his words around to suit their needs. Definitely NOT all of them, there ARE some smart ones who are reevaluating their ideals, and starting to understand where their party failed.

I think that all these threads, and all those words are fear. Fear because the Republicans have screwed up our country in such a way over the last 30 years that he will succeed ( which I have no doubt about )

drinking Be afraid, be very afraid.
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Apr 7, 2009 11:00 PM CST President Obama's trip......did it accomplish any thing?
rocketqueen
rocketqueenrocketqueengeelong, Victoria Australia23 Threads 1 Polls 2,003 Posts
ttom500: According to Newt Grinrich.....President Obama did not accomplish much.

He points out.....

President Obama sought military forces for Afghanistan from
NATO.............and got 5000 trainers for the Afghan police
force and two F-16s

President Obama tried to get Russia and China into a supporting greater UN sanctions on Iran. Neither supported the motion in the
Security Council.

President Obama gave a speech on nuclear disarmament and the North Korean launched a missile several hour prior. Attempted to enter Russia into nuclear talks, none were arranged.

President Obama sought to gain support from the G-20 regarding
the world's economic situation. That his stimulus plan, US budget,
and continued support for bailout of companies was the path to take. Yet few seem to join the continued spending spree to the degree that Obama desires.

Thoughts?


yes oh boy here we go again........alot of us are sick and tired of the constant badgering by said people like the OP of how bad obama has done so far.........


blah blah
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Apr 7, 2009 11:01 PM CST President Obama's trip......did it accomplish any thing?
rocketqueen
rocketqueenrocketqueengeelong, Victoria Australia23 Threads 1 Polls 2,003 Posts
YouMeUs: Obummer, here we go again.

While I did not vote for him, I will support our Pres....but at least give him some time. Rome wasn't built in a day, or even a month or a year. I wouldn't expect our President to fix everything in such a short time, or even the given four years allotted to him.
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Apr 7, 2009 11:02 PM CST President Obama's trip......did it accomplish any thing?
blueyes34
blueyes34blueyes34new orleans, Louisiana USA3 Threads 1 Polls 198 Posts
obamas trip accomplished alot...he got us back on friendly terms with all our allies something bush destroyed when he was in office...now maybe we may have turkey japan russia and all the other nations fighting with us in afghan...he took the us to a giant step which it desperately needed at this time....dancing applause
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Apr 7, 2009 11:08 PM CST President Obama's trip......did it accomplish any thing?
Hugz_n_Kissez
Hugz_n_KissezHugz_n_KissezSomeplace, Ontario Canada59 Threads 2 Polls 25,438 Posts
evilcherryqueen: Well since his trip is in the past, it IS history

Only time will tell what he achieved in his trip. I love the way some people are judging him on a daily basis, when in reality, anything takes time. Screwing up the US took time, screwing up foreign relations took time. It will take time to undo the damage done. At least he is taking his job seriously and not sitting at camp david for 3 weeks for a vacation.



I agree and it's only common sense that it will take just as much time to undo the damage as it took to inflict it...and that didn't happen overnight like ya said doll....hug kiss hug heart beating
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Apr 7, 2009 11:12 PM CST President Obama's trip......did it accomplish any thing?
ttom500
ttom500ttom500St. Cloud, Florida USA30 Threads 5 Polls 10,523 Posts
I will even say this....that I doubt McCain would have done any more on this first trip.

The cards were stacked against him to accomplish much on a first trip. There were established European leaders with agendas in both NATO and the G-20. So pretty tough for President Obama to achieve much of his desired programs and goals.

Also I don't think that it was President Obama that failed to make the request for additional troops in Afghanistan...he did....it was the European leaders that did not step up to the plate in the matter.

So in being fair here. I am totally willing to say that the trip had to be done. That somethings were accomplished. But that I suspect even he would say it was less than what he had hoped for.
If you think that I am off here. US media other than FOXX is saying the same.
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Apr 7, 2009 11:13 PM CST President Obama's trip......did it accomplish any thing?
rocketqueen
rocketqueenrocketqueengeelong, Victoria Australia23 Threads 1 Polls 2,003 Posts
ttom500: According to Newt Grinrich.....President Obama did not accomplish much.

He points out.....

President Obama sought military forces for Afghanistan from
NATO.............and got 5000 trainers for the Afghan police
force and two F-16s

President Obama tried to get Russia and China into a supporting greater UN sanctions on Iran. Neither supported the motion in the
Security Council.

President Obama gave a speech on nuclear disarmament and the North Korean launched a missile several hour prior. Attempted to enter Russia into nuclear talks, none were arranged.

President Obama sought to gain support from the G-20 regarding
the world's economic situation. That his stimulus plan, US budget,
and continued support for bailout of companies was the path to take. Yet few seem to join the continued spending spree to the degree that Obama desires.

Thoughts?



still better than not being popularly elected IN THE FIRST PLACE, lying about WOMD's to get into a war for oil, creating a prison at GITMO that violates human rights, having a law passed stating dissent of government was illegal, ALLOWING no holds-barred-torture at abu ghraib, THEN BLAMING CERTAIN SOLDIERS FOR DOING THIS (whipping boys anyone??).....DO YOU REALLY WANT ME TO KEEP GOING??????
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Apr 7, 2009 11:17 PM CST President Obama's trip......did it accomplish any thing?
evilcherryqueen
evilcherryqueenevilcherryqueenRemiss, Michigan USA1 Threads 439 Posts
rocketqueen: still better than not being popularly elected IN THE FIRST PLACE, lying about WOMD's to get into a war for oil, creating a prison at GITMO that violates human rights, having a law passed stating dissent of government was illegal, ALLOWING no holds-barred-torture at abu ghraib, THEN BLAMING CERTAIN SOLDIERS FOR DOING THIS (whipping boys anyone??).....DO YOU REALLY WANT ME TO KEEP GOING??????




drinking I do....you can even go into more detail if you'd likewave

the thing is, they don't see where this is wrong, and that IS the problem. Most will never see it. sigh

wave It's still good to read though..carry on if you want to.teddybear heart beating sad flower
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Apr 7, 2009 11:19 PM CST President Obama's trip......did it accomplish any thing?
rocketqueen
rocketqueenrocketqueengeelong, Victoria Australia23 Threads 1 Polls 2,003 Posts
ttom500: I will even say this....that I doubt McCain would have done any more on this first trip.

The cards were stacked against him to accomplish much on a first trip. There were established European leaders with agendas in both NATO and the G-20. So pretty tough for President Obama to achieve much of his desired programs and goals.

Also I don't think that it was President Obama that failed to make the request for additional troops in Afghanistan...he did....it was the European leaders that did not step up to the plate in the matter.

So in being fair here. I am totally willing to say that the trip had to be done. That somethings were accomplished. But that I suspect even he would say it was less than what he had hoped for.
If you think that I am off here. US media other than FOXX is saying the same.


hope its not the same source that stated saddam killed 495,000 people EVERY YEAR saddam was in government

(ie:12 and a half million, half the population in the whole 23 years he was in office)
doh
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Apr 7, 2009 11:19 PM CST President Obama's trip......did it accomplish any thing?
ttom500
ttom500ttom500St. Cloud, Florida USA30 Threads 5 Polls 10,523 Posts
blueyes34: obamas trip accomplished alot...he got us back on friendly terms with all our allies something bush destroyed when he was in office...now maybe we may have turkey japan russia and all the other nations fighting with us in afghan...he took the us to a giant step which it desperately needed at this time....


I hope you are right. But only when those troops show up in Afghan will we really know. There were no solid promises to send them. So it at best it is a maybe at this time.
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Apr 7, 2009 11:21 PM CST President Obama's trip......did it accomplish any thing?
ttom500
ttom500ttom500St. Cloud, Florida USA30 Threads 5 Polls 10,523 Posts
rocketqueen: hope its not the same source that stated saddam killed 495,000 people EVERY YEAR saddam was in government

(ie:12 and a half million, half the population in the whole 23 years he was in office)


Rocketqueen....wish the source on the 495,000? I will find for you.
If you will admit....GWB and the American gov't only started ONE war.
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Apr 7, 2009 11:26 PM CST President Obama's trip......did it accomplish any thing?
rocketqueen
rocketqueenrocketqueengeelong, Victoria Australia23 Threads 1 Polls 2,003 Posts
ttom500: Rocketqueen....wish the source on the 495,000? I will find for you.
If you will admit....GWB and the American gov't only started ONE war.


holy crap!! do you know something the rest of the world dont????

if yer talking about afghanistan, not being a war that bush started you are living in a dream, my friend........


it was terrorists hiding out in afghanistan, not the taliban, they simply refused to give them up.........
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Apr 7, 2009 11:26 PM CST President Obama's trip......did it accomplish any thing?
RobbieM
RobbieMRobbieMHertford, Hertfordshire, England UK115 Threads 6 Polls 4,553 Posts
I should point out the problem with troop deployments is not numbers, but the command and control structure.

This means orders and training and language barriers make it very hard to maintain a concerted cohesive military base from which to work from.

That's why the Americans and British work together, as their joint forces rain together and have JOINT command and control.

It's that simple, other countries will supply logistics and that type of thing, but not combat troops.

China and Russia have the numbers, but they would be incredibly hard to communicate with, and act together because of the problems above.
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Apr 7, 2009 11:27 PM CST President Obama's trip......did it accomplish any thing?
rocketqueen
rocketqueenrocketqueengeelong, Victoria Australia23 Threads 1 Polls 2,003 Posts
ttom500: Rocketqueen....wish the source on the 495,000? I will find for you.
If you will admit....GWB and the American gov't only started ONE war.


find me the source that sez he killed 12 and half million
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Apr 7, 2009 11:28 PM CST President Obama's trip......did it accomplish any thing?
rocketqueen
rocketqueenrocketqueengeelong, Victoria Australia23 Threads 1 Polls 2,003 Posts
RobbieM: I should point out the problem with troop deployments is not numbers, but the command and control structure.

This means orders and training and language barriers make it very hard to maintain a concerted cohesive military base from which to work from.

That's why the Americans and British work together, as their joint forces rain together and have JOINT command and control.

It's that simple, other countries will supply logistics and that type of thing, but not combat troops.

China and Russia have the numbers, but they would be incredibly hard to communicate with, and act together because of the problems above.


australia is in both wars too robbie with combat troops
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Apr 7, 2009 11:30 PM CST President Obama's trip......did it accomplish any thing?
Hugz_n_Kissez
Hugz_n_KissezHugz_n_KissezSomeplace, Ontario Canada59 Threads 2 Polls 25,438 Posts
rocketqueen: australia is in both wars too robbie with combat troops



So are we....wave wink thumbs up
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Apr 7, 2009 11:34 PM CST President Obama's trip......did it accomplish any thing?
ttom500
ttom500ttom500St. Cloud, Florida USA30 Threads 5 Polls 10,523 Posts
rocketqueen: holy crap!! do you know something the rest of the world dont????

if yer talking about afghanistan, not being a war that bush started you are living in a dream, my friend........it was terrorists hiding out in afghanistan, not the taliban, they simply refused to give them up.........


In your GWB post...you said GWB started TWO wars. The Taliban and AlQeada started the Afghan war with 9/11. GWB started the Iraq war.
Only one war did GWB start, RocketQueen.
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Apr 7, 2009 11:38 PM CST President Obama's trip......did it accomplish any thing?
RobbieM
RobbieMRobbieMHertford, Hertfordshire, England UK115 Threads 6 Polls 4,553 Posts
rocketqueen: australia is in both wars too robbie with combat troops


I know, but what most people won't know is that Canadians train with with the Americans, and have a common agreement, and likewise the Australian's also train in unit's and "exchange" personnel with the SAS.

I can name all manner of nations that do work together, but the point i was trying to convey is that say Russian and American troops will have difficulty working and serving together because of the completely different command and control structure.thumbs up
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