Lagoona22: I think love is shellfish sometimes.......
Well, we only become unselfish in the partnership.
I mean imagine, if you fell in love and committed yourself to one woman, how bloody shellfish is that when you deprive millions of women with your dashing good looks and charm???? Eh, eh???
I agree...love can be selfish, but it has to be....sometimes you need to focus yourself on the object of your desire, and make that happen. You can't be all things to all jellyfish...
Lagoona22: I agree...love can be selfish, but it has to be....sometimes you need to focus yourself on the object of your desire, and make that happen. You can't be all things to all jellyfish...
See, I knew I was barking. Despite rumours.
I am having a love affair with tomatoes, where does that rate me in the shellfish rankings?
Hi Sommer, well if you get a couple that are so intoxicated by their love for each other that all they want is each others company 24/7 then that is fine, but some can still be deeply in love but also need the company of others or perhaps a bit of "me" time to persue personal interests, hobbies, sports etc. If the all consuming partner can't handle that sacrifice of a little time apart then they are the ones being selfish IMO.
CaptainBeirutIIILondon, Greater London, England UK1,186 posts
Sommerauer71: And I am not the first person to say it.
Anybody care to discuss this notion?
It is selfish in a good way, cutting ourselves off from being with other people, in that we are with one person. We are selfish.
We see selfish as a bad word, but it is not, selfish can be good.
Thoughts oh wise ones.
On a more serious note
My take on it:
The last thing love is, is selfish.
What you are describing is being faithful, but that’s something else. That’s not a feeling, that’s a choice of life, a bit of our moral code, and a preference.
Love is not selfish
For starters, even though they are different kind of love, you can love many at the same time. There is actually no limit to how many you can love, sincerely: Your husband, your children, your mother, your father, your siblings, your grandmother, your best friends, and so on.
But why I think love is the opposite of selfish, is that when you love, you offer the most intimate bit of yourself to other, and you offer it completely. You reveal yourself and you know that you’re making yourself vulnerable, sometimes in the most scary way, but you don’t care. You are there, for them, in the most unselfish way one can be.
Even if you restrict yourself, or only have one to love, that is still not selfish. It is, like I said, you being the most the most generous and unselfish one can be.
CaptainBeirutIIILondon, Greater London, England UK1,186 posts
RDM59: Hi Sommer, well if you get a couple that are so intoxicated by their love for each other that all they want is each others company 24/7 then that is fine
Like I said, I regard that as faithfulness. You are faithful because of the love, but you are not selfish because you love the one and the one only.
It's in the very definition of "love" that it is unselfish
What you are describing is being faithful, but that’s something else. That’s not a feeling, that’s a choice of life, a bit of our moral code, and a preference.
Love is not selfish
For starters, even though they are different kind of love, you can love many at the same time. There is actually no limit to how many you can love, sincerely: Your husband, your children, your mother, your father, your siblings, your grandmother, your best friends, and so on.
But why I think love is the opposite of selfish, is that when you love, you offer the most intimate bit of yourself to other, and you offer it completely. You reveal yourself and you know that you’re making yourself vulnerable, sometimes in the most scary way, but you don’t care. You are there, for them, in the most unselfish way one can be.
Even if you restrict yourself, or only have one to love, that is still not selfish. It is, like I said, you being the most the most generous and unselfish one can be.
Good!
However, we as people are selfish. I am greedy, selfish and like being that way.
Isn't it selfish of us, to want and demand from a partner that they drop everything and deal with us?
I agree with the no limit to loving people. I love many people, who are in my life.
Opening up the discussion was not just about being faithful, although that is something that I offer and I expect in return, it is about our whole being and there are many degrees of selfishness in love. Certainly with our children and with our partners.
Being unselfish in giving yourself and only your whole self to one is bliss and generous, but then for ourselves as people, there is selfishness in our thoughts.
Funny thing about the heart... When it's empty there isn't room for even the tiniest grain of sand, yet when it's full there's room enough for the whole world...
RDM59: Hi Sommer, well if you get a couple that are so intoxicated by their love for each other that all they want is each others company 24/7 then that is fine, but some can still be deeply in love but also need the company of others or perhaps a bit of "me" time to persue personal interests, hobbies, sports etc. If the all consuming partner can't handle that sacrifice of a little time apart then they are the ones being selfish IMO.
Hey you!
Oh that is mean! I don't like mean people.
If a person expects you to do that cut yourself from your life and be insular and co dependant on them only, then that is mean and punitive.
I am using the word 'selfish' to promote it in a good way as opposed to bad.
It is okay to be a bit selfish, when we love a person and say no, I want to be with them. It is okay to be selfish when we want to have some time alone. It is okay to be selfish to ourselves. That is what I am talking about. We are raised to believe that selfish is bad. Like when we would not share our sweets with our little brothers, I was told 'Don't be selfish'
CaptainBeirutIIILondon, Greater London, England UK1,186 posts
Sommerauer71: Good!
However, we as people are selfish. I am greedy, selfish and like being that way.
Isn't it selfish of us, to want and demand from a partner that they drop everything and deal with us?
I agree with the no limit to loving people. I love many people, who are in my life.
Opening up the discussion was not just about being faithful, although that is something that I offer and I expect in return, it is about our whole being and there are many degrees of selfishness in love. Certainly with our children and with our partners.
Being unselfish in giving yourself and only your whole self to one is bliss and generous, but then for ourselves as people, there is selfishness in our thoughts.
No?
OK, now I get your take on. You have been reading Robert Frost:
"Love is an irresistible desire to be irresistibly desired"
CaptainBeirutIIILondon, Greater London, England UK1,186 posts
The_Kansan: Funny thing about the heart... When it's empty there isn't room for even the tiniest grain of sand, yet when it's full there's room enough for the whole world...
The_Kansan: Funny thing about the heart... When it's empty there isn't room for even the tiniest grain of sand, yet when it's full there's room enough for the whole world...
The_Kansan: Funny thing about the heart... When it's empty there isn't room for even the tiniest grain of sand, yet when it's full there's room enough for the whole world...
Doesn't seem very selfish to me...
Hey you Kansan... I like that statement, you know I do. One statement I have always remembered you for.
We are not being selfish in loving those we love, that is not selfish at all.
I am talking about an individual being selfish inwards, towards themselves. Not to others.
And when we are in love, we are consumed by a huge great feeling that we indulge ourselves in it and we enjoy it. Like eating a big fat cake when on a diet... We know we want it and we shouldn't have it, therefore we are being selfish in eating that cake and it is not a crime.
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Anybody care to discuss this notion?
It is selfish in a good way, cutting ourselves off from being with other people, in that we are with one person. We are selfish.
We see selfish as a bad word, but it is not, selfish can be good.
Thoughts oh wise ones.